Hagel blasts states on same-sex benef...

Hagel blasts states on same-sex benefits policy

There are 59 comments on the Northern Michigan News story from Oct 31, 2013, titled Hagel blasts states on same-sex benefits policy. In it, Northern Michigan News reports that:

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel on Thursday sharply criticized U.S. states that are defying the Pentagon by refusing to allow National Guard facilities to issue ID cards that enable same-sex spouses of military members to claim benefits.

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#1 Oct 31, 2013
As well he should. It's a terrible way to treat those who defend our country.
Gilroy

Cambridge, MA

#2 Oct 31, 2013
Filthy queers don't deserve any benefits.

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Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#3 Oct 31, 2013
Gilroy wrote:
Filthy queers don't deserve any benefits.
If common sense were money you wouldnÂ’t even be able to afford a free lunch!
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Re-arrange these letters to form words:

PNEIS
BUTTSXE

Something tells me your dirty perverted mind immediately thought of two words other than SPINE and SUBTEXT!

Paging Dr. Freud!

LMAO!

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#4 Oct 31, 2013
These States IMO are in violation of federal law.

To deny benefits to any military family based on anti gay sentiment is unchristian IMO.
Christina

Mesa, AZ

#6 Oct 31, 2013
Gilroy wrote:
Filthy queers don't deserve any benefits.
Aww poor Gilroy what's the matter get kicked out of the G.H.s for being too "small?" You know what they say about protesting too much. You're so far in the closet you're finding Xmas presents.

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Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#7 Oct 31, 2013
DNF wrote:
These States IMO are in violation of federal law.
To deny benefits to any military family based on anti gay sentiment is unchristian IMO.
People in the National Guard (what used to be called the state militias) are not in the U.S. military though.

And I'm a firm believer in keeping the U.S. military services completely separate and apart from the state militias (National Guard).

The United States oF America is a federation of separate states, not one large country that simply has administrative divisions called "states". The states made the federal government, not the other way around.

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#9 Oct 31, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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People in the National Guard (what used to be called the state militias) are not in the U.S. military though.
Sorry to inform you but the National Guard is part of the Military......the Reserves and are funded with federal Money....therefore they NEED to abide by the Federal laws!!!

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Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#10 Oct 31, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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Sorry to inform you but the National Guard is part of the Military......the Reserves and are funded with federal Money....therefore they NEED to abide by the Federal laws!!!
Te National Guard (which are the individual state militias) are separate from the Reserves. The are different military organizations.

The Reserves are federal. The National Guard is not.

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#11 Oct 31, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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People in the National Guard (what used to be called the state militias) are not in the U.S. military though.
And I'm a firm believer in keeping the U.S. military services completely separate and apart from the state militias (National Guard).
The United States oF America is a federation of separate states, not one large country that simply has administrative divisions called "states". The states made the federal government, not the other way around.
Wrong. The people created the national government, as in "We the People." It doesn't say "We the States."

The "federation of separate states" was what the United States consisted of under the Articles of Confederation. That was replaced by the Constitution, which contains an article that specifies that the national government is supreme over the states. All vestiges of the notion that the United States is comprised of "separate states" was laid to rest through a little conflict known as the Civil War.

Perhaps you heard of it, but didn't understand its effect. Millions of bubbas in the South don't, either. They still mistakenly think states have "rights". They don't.
Bob

Seattle, WA

#12 Oct 31, 2013
Anything gay is an Evil abomination. Anyone who supports this evil activity or even shows the slightest sympathy towards same sex activity will probably be condemned to hell.

Its pure evil.

Its an EVIL abomination.
Bob

Seattle, WA

#13 Oct 31, 2013
The gays are the arch enemies of GOD. The gays are Satans servants. They are a filthy , evil abomination.

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Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#14 Oct 31, 2013
Jerald wrote:
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Wrong. The people created the national government, as in "We the People." It doesn't say "We the States."
The "federation of separate states" was what the United States consisted of under the Articles of Confederation. That was replaced by the Constitution, which contains an article that specifies that the national government is supreme over the states. All vestiges of the notion that the United States is comprised of "separate states" was laid to rest through a little conflict known as the Civil War.
Perhaps you heard of it, but didn't understand its effect. Millions of bubbas in the South don't, either. They still mistakenly think states have "rights". They don't.
WOW ! You're COMPLETELY WRONG !

The STATES made the federal government. The U.S. Constitution, which established the structure and functions of the federal government was ratified BY THE STATE LEGISLATURES, NOT "the people", i.e. the average citizen.

This is one of the reasons why for most of our history, members of the U.S. Senate were picked by THE STATE LEGISLATURES, NOT "the people". Many people think the 17th Amendment, which allowed direct election of U.S. senators for the very first time was a big mistake, because it took too much power from THE STATES.

and btw, as long as we're on the subject,(and even if we're not), there is NO U.S. Constitutional "RIGHT TO VOTE". A Democratic congressman recently proposed an amendment to put that in the U.S. Constitution, but it aint gonna happen.

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#15 Oct 31, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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People in the National Guard (what used to be called the state militias) are not in the U.S. military though.
And I'm a firm believer in keeping the U.S. military services completely separate and apart from the state militias (National Guard).
The United States oF America is a federation of separate states, not one large country that simply has administrative divisions called "states". The states made the federal government, not the other way around.
These people served in the U.S. Military.

Though they may be from the National Guard, they still fought in Iraq or Afghanistan. They are eligible for Federal benefits.

Perhaps you should go back and research what Bush did with National Guard units shortly after 9-11.

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#16 Oct 31, 2013
Bob wrote:
Anything gay is an Evil abomination. Anyone who supports this evil activity or even shows the slightest sympathy towards same sex activity will probably be condemned to hell.
Its pure evil.
Its an EVIL abomination.
Too bad you're losing this war. Must suck to be so friggin ignorant.

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#17 Oct 31, 2013
Bob wrote:
The gays are the arch enemies of GOD. The gays are Satans servants. They are a filthy , evil abomination.
Maybe if there was a god you might have a point. A rather twisted one if that's what your god was like.

But there isn't. So there.

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#18 Oct 31, 2013
Fa Foxy this site might help you. The Post-9/11 Veterans Education Assistance Improvements Act of 2010

Effective August 1, 2009, But Not Payable Until October 1, 2011

Expands the Post-9/11 GI Bill to include Active Service performed by National Guard members under title 32 U.S.C. for the purpose of organizing, administering, recruiting, instructing, or training the National Guard; or under section 502(f) for the purpose of responding to a national emergency.

http://www.gibill.va.gov/benefits/post_911_gi...

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Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#19 Oct 31, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>These people served in the U.S. Military.
Though they may be from the National Guard, they still fought in Iraq or Afghanistan. They are eligible for Federal benefits.
Perhaps you should go back and research what Bush did with National Guard units shortly after 9-11.
That's only IF those National Guard units were federalized. Which they were, and which the U.S. Constitution specifically authorizes the POTUS to do when he deems it necessary.

But federalization of National Guard units IS unusual, and unless they are federalized, they are the independent military establishments of their respective states.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Guard_o...

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#20 Oct 31, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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there is NO U.S. Constitutional "RIGHT TO VOTE". A Democratic congressman recently proposed an amendment to put that in the U.S. Constitution, but it aint gonna happen.
Then what was the purpose of the Amendments that gave blacks and women the vote as well as the Amendment that lowered the voting age to 18.

You have yet to show how these two amendments deny a right to vote:

AMENDMENT XIX

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

AMENDMENT XXVI

SECTION 1.

The right of citizens of the United States, who are 18 years of age or older, to vote, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state on account of age.

SECTION 2.

The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

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Coolidge, AZ

#21 Oct 31, 2013
And btw, one of the main purposes of the existence of each state's militia, is to serve as an armed bulwark AGAINST the federal government and it's armed forces.

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#22 Oct 31, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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WOW ! You're COMPLETELY WRONG !
The STATES made the federal government. The U.S. Constitution, which established the structure and functions of the federal government was ratified BY THE STATE LEGISLATURES, NOT "the people", i.e. the average citizen.
No, you're wrong as usual. The delegates to the Constitutional Convention deliberately bypassed the legislatures and devised a mechanism of ratifying conventions in each state.
Fa-Foxy wrote:
This is one of the reasons why for most of our history, members of the U.S. Senate were picked by THE STATE LEGISLATURES, NOT "the people".


Election of equal number of senators by legislatures, their six-year term, and "advise and consent" authority was certainly a nod to states. However, that didn't make states supreme, or even equal to, the national government. Not even close.
Fa-Foxy wrote:
Many people think the 17th Amendment, which allowed direct election of U.S. senators for the very first time was a big mistake, because it took too much power from THE STATES.
And many people during the Progressive Era wanted the constitution to better reflect the wishes of the people rather than corrupt state politicians. So there's that.
Fa-Foxy wrote:
and btw, as long as we're on the subject,(and even if we're not), there is NO U.S. Constitutional "RIGHT TO VOTE". A Democratic congressman recently proposed an amendment to put that in the U.S. Constitution, but it aint gonna happen.
Typical strawman. Can't win one argument, so you veer off on something else that I didn't say so you can claim something of a victory.

I never said there was a constitutional right to vote. I merely said that your other claims were false. And they still are.

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