Australian foreign minister rules out...

Australian foreign minister rules out U.S. bases

There are 12 comments on the The Raw Story story from Aug 25, 2012, titled Australian foreign minister rules out U.S. bases. In it, The Raw Story reports that:

The United States will not seek permanent military bases in Australia and nor would hosting one be in Canberra's interests, Foreign Minister Bob Carr said on Saturday.

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Since: Jul 12

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#1 Aug 25, 2012
Good joke Minister Carr, ex-Premier of NSW who cooked the books of the State for almost a decade. Then did a sly exit when the bulging debt could not be hidden any longer for the consequences to fall to others to deal with, not least of all the citizens of NSW.
I suspect a similar sly act going on here with American Bases. I mean if Pine Gap isn't permanent what is it? Perpetually a US base but temporarily???
Why, is the USA so keen for more access for bases in Australia now? Take one guess, China.
If it wasn't so serious it would be funny how Australia described as a close ally of the US combines forces against another Nation, China a Nation that both countries trade with. Not just trade with but have respectively their most important trade ties with. I thought that greater trade would lead to more trust and improved relations.
How does it happen that the peace and prosperity promised by our world and National Leaders, guaranteeing international trade would deliver peace for sure. It does seem logical.
Now our Nations edge closer to all out war, day by the day.
Does this not show we are like puppets controlled by forces that first entice us with promises of profit then as the relationship develops we become dependant on each other, while concurrently enormous hatred and distrust emerges between us.
Yet there are no Scientists to explain this phenomenon.
May I venture an explanation?
As we deepen our relationship with our trading Partners, at first not knowing particularly who we are dealing with, we become familiar with them. As there is selfish incentive, we adapt and cleverly obtain more benefit. However, not realizing that this continuous adaption is creating a system in it's own right.

While the motivating factor grows to receive self benefit, this relationship has progressively built a system. Forming ties of dependency within this system. Until the individuals or Nations cannot bear the conflict between their self interest and now increasing artificial and repulsive acts of mutuality dependency demanded by this closed system.

So, internally each actor is selfish and hostile and externally the environment has become a closed mutually dependant system. As the actions from the these trading partners is still based on a consciousness of separation, they become more hostile at odds with the integral environment that demands a different approach.

To carry out acts of hostility and aggression in a closed system guarantees a return blow to the one who initiated the blow.

Understanding this process may spare us a lot of futile unnecessary pain and perhaps undertake the necessary changes internally to adapt to the new world or the future could be catastrophic.
dumb under

Fairfield, Australia

#2 Aug 25, 2012
as if the australian the foreign minister, or prime minister has any say what so ever in ruling out U.S bases or even lets say Mc Donalds LOL... good try but do you expect us to buy that stupid line??
Myth Buster

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

#4 Aug 25, 2012
Americans are very sick people.
They have a massive propaganda machine that make other countries looks dangerous. They go on and on fighting wars, each one getting ever more expensive.
They like to elect the most hawkish president.
Anyone planning to make peace with China will lose.
Only those that promise to fight China will win.
After they get elected they find some excuse to back down but we never know when they are going to paint themselves into the corner.
CHINESE POWER RANGER

Montenegro

#5 Aug 25, 2012
Myth Buster wrote:
Americans are very sick people.
They have a massive propaganda machine that make other countries looks dangerous. They go on and on fighting wars, each one getting ever more expensive.
They like to elect the most hawkish president.
Anyone planning to make peace with China will lose.
Only those that promise to fight China will win.
After they get elected they find some excuse to back down but we never know when they are going to paint themselves into the corner.
America is sick nation.
JEWS control Media and Hollywood.
There are lot of propaganda in USA where JEWS push lies...

But no one will attack our China.
China have Nukes...
dumb under

Fairfield, Australia

#6 Aug 26, 2012
Australian Republic wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll agree with one thing, your name is fitting description of yourself. That, says it all LOL
Ok wakey wakey, enough yawning republic man.
anonymous aussie

Gosnells, Australia

#7 Aug 26, 2012
CHINESE POWER RANGER wrote:
<quoted text>America is sick nation.
JEWS control Media and Hollywood.
There are lot of propaganda in USA where JEWS push lies...
But no one will attack our China.
China have Nukes...
So how many facist communists live in Montenegro besides you, Montenegro isn't even in China.

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#8 Aug 26, 2012
CHINESE POWER RANGER wrote:
<quoted text>America is sick nation.
JEWS control Media and Hollywood.
There are lot of propaganda in USA where JEWS push lies...
But no one will attack our China.
China have Nukes...
I wouldn't count on the nuclear deterrent factor working to avoid war this time around. During the Cold War it was called MAD from Mutually Assured Destruction.

All sides are doing their calculations about who can win a nuclear War.

America thinks it can because it has the most weapons and the lead in the technology and hardened infrastructure.

Iran thinks it can because they believe they can withstand a strike and go on the offensive and overwhelm the enemy, one of which is Israel.

China thinks it can because of similar reasoning and 1.2 Billion People. Really impossible to stop 1.2 Billion people or half that.

What's worse is China's Leadership may feel it either goes to War or due to civil unrest they will be removed anyway. So, perhaps they may feel war gives them slightly better odds of the two really bad options.

All, these calculations are being made and many beside. It's really a giant poker game where the stakes are life itself and much more. No one is blinking yet and no one has yet revealed their cards but how long before one of them does?

Except for small parts of it, the so called family of Nations who are members of the peace organisation- the UN have gone mad from MAD.
American Democrat

United States

#9 Aug 26, 2012
Whats wrong with you people?
Do you fear we would invade you instead of setting up a military base?
Dont be tarts you australian farts !!!
No ANZUS

Irvine, CA

#10 Aug 26, 2012
Thank you Mr Carr. The American people REJECT base in Australia; China's minime. Most antiamerican nation.
Murder Non Whites for OIL

Piscataway, NJ

#11 Aug 26, 2012
Myth Buster wrote:
Americans are very sick people.
They have a massive propaganda machine that make other countries looks dangerous. They go on and on fighting wars, each one getting ever more expensive.
They like to elect the most hawkish president.
Anyone planning to make peace with China will lose.
Only those that promise to fight China will win.
After they get elected they find some excuse to back down but we never know when they are going to paint themselves into the corner.
ALL American elections are rigged by Organized Crime
No free, open or transparent elections
America RUN by Racketeers
Australia cries like a weenie about Big Bad China
Go China!!
chan

Kincumber South, Australia

#12 Aug 26, 2012
australia can not take a pressure from china
yes australia must reject uncle sam
let china base in australia and we will protect you,australia future with china....
good good oi oi....

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#13 Aug 27, 2012
American Democrat wrote:
Whats wrong with you people?
Do you fear we would invade you instead of setting up a military base?
Dont be tarts you australian farts !!!
OK, but Bob Carr and all our so called elected representatives should be honest about it. Australia is the 53rd American State. There is no Australia. Good, bad or indifferent Australia as an independent Country does not exist.

Well, not as far as the State apparatus is concerned.

We are so integrated we can get to fly a USA war plane here is Australia.

Maybe, there's some Australia left in the grass roots, but what is that in this integrated world?

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