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China and U.S. grapple with military mistrust

There are 77 comments on the Philadelphia's WB 17 story from May 13, 2011, titled China and U.S. grapple with military mistrust. In it, Philadelphia's WB 17 reports that:

The Pentagon next week hosts the highest-level Chinese military visit to the United States since Beijing severed ties between the two armed forces in early 2010 in protest over a $6.3 billion U.S. arms deal with Taiwan.

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Bin Laden

Gettysburg, PA

#44 May 18, 2011
Zsari wrote:
Getting 'tough' with China won't help the US economy
By Bill Bonner, Guest blogger / May 16, 2011
Americans must be the most gullible simpletons in the world. They will believe anything. No fantasy is too absurd. No lie is too ridiculous. Much of what they now take for granted an earlier generation would have taken for preposterous, outrageous, and criminal.
According to presidential candidate Donald Trump they are prepared to believe that China is to blame for their financial problems… No kidding. When asked what he’d do to fix the US economy,‘The Donald’ says he’d ‘get tough with China.’
What dastardly thing are the Chinese doing? What devious, underhanded act are they committing?
Ah ha! An act of commerce! They’re delivering quality products to America at discount prices! Trump says he’ll slap a 25% tariff on Chinese-made goods.
How exactly this would be better for Americans he didn’t explain. Says our old friend Grover Norquist:
“Tariffs are not paid by the Chinese. They’re paid by Americans who buy things made by the Chinese.”
Americans are barely able to keep up with their expenses already; raising prices wouldn’t do them any favor that we can see.
http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/The-Daily-R... (page)/2
The Chinese are keeping the Currency at a disavantage level..is the reason why the US Cannot sell any of their products in China.But just look at all the their junk that is coming into the US..and they are actually getting away with it. Now what is it you don't understand why Trump said what he did?
Bin Laden

Gettysburg, PA

#45 May 18, 2011
man1967 wrote:
Nobody should trust the great satanic govt of USA, be it military, economy, finance or anything else !!
USA go into Libya, simply becos Libya got plenty oil !
My God...here I thought that 99% of these posts on here are insane..but yours beats them all.I guess you have no clue how stupid you sound saying what you did...but being where you are from I'll give you a pass.
Bin Laden

Gettysburg, PA

#46 May 18, 2011
Zsari wrote:
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You mean from Nixon onward, no US president got any ball?
Only President Ronald Regan...he would not take any shit from anyone.

Since: Mar 08

United States

#47 May 18, 2011
Bin Laden wrote:
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The Chinese are keeping the Currency at a disavantage level..is the reason why the US Cannot sell any of their products in China.But just look at all the their junk that is coming into the US..and they are actually getting away with it. Now what is it you don't understand why Trump said what he did?
Do you even understand how currency works to throw that line around? If US can sell their products in China at a competitive price, then you'll be working for "slave wages". Chinese currency has been stable for over 30 years. The disadvantage is created not by China, but by the US deficit spending, debt accumination, and then money printing to cover the debt. It's the US fed driven inflation that is asking China and nations around the world to pay for, by simply decreasing the value of the debt they are holding.

Since: Mar 08

Long Island City, NY

#48 May 18, 2011
Bin Laden wrote:
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Only President Ronald Regan...he would not take any shit from anyone.
Hehe, it is exactly Ronald Reagan who opened economic door to China.
Major Malfunction

UK

#49 May 18, 2011
The American people are dumbest people in the world, their own elite rip them off and then blame it on another country and they swallow it hook, line and sinker....As if china NOT manipulating its currency is going to help the average american,...all its going to do to the Americans is create inflation. I think china will only let their currency float when the dollar is no longer the reserve currency of the world....Does the average American really believe that china would allow what happened to the Japanese Yen to happen to their currency? The americans forget that China has existed for thousands of years as mercantile, capitalist country they have only existed as a communist for 60 years I doubt they have totally forgotten how the worlds economy works. China will NOT become a superpower by its own actions, but by America, overstretching and overspending itself to remain the dominant force in the world rather like the Roman Empire before it, eventually the expense of trying to control the world will bring it down, this has happened to all the empires that came before it...including our own British Empire.
Bin Laden

Gettysburg, PA

#50 May 18, 2011
Major Malfunction wrote:
The American people are dumbest people in the world, their own elite rip them off and then blame it on another country and they swallow it hook, line and sinker....As if china NOT manipulating its currency is going to help the average american,...all its going to do to the Americans is create inflation. I think china will only let their currency float when the dollar is no longer the reserve currency of the world....Does the average American really believe that china would allow what happened to the Japanese Yen to happen to their currency? The americans forget that China has existed for thousands of years as mercantile, capitalist country they have only existed as a communist for 60 years I doubt they have totally forgotten how the worlds economy works. China will NOT become a superpower by its own actions, but by America, overstretching and overspending itself to remain the dominant force in the world rather like the Roman Empire before it, eventually the expense of trying to control the world will bring it down, this has happened to all the empires that came before it...including our own British Empire.
I cannot wait for somebody like China to be the World's Number one Superpower..I wanna see what happens when a dangerous situation lurks with another country..with nukes involved. I wanna see these dangerous nuts who we call Terrorists get their hands on Nukes..I wanna see who will protect South Korea from the North (China's friends)..I wanna see what happens when Iran wants to nuke Isreal Oh their is so much $hit I wanna see when all this goes down without America involved...I wanna see China take care of it all. I also wanna see China's special forces (Or what ever you call them) be the ones who will go after Murderous nuts and kill them like the US did to Saddam & Bin Laden and others as well when all these people wanted to do was destroy the world. Personally...I hope & pray I'm not alive when the US can no longer do this.

Who are you going to blame then? Or call stupid?
Bin Laden

Gettysburg, PA

#51 May 18, 2011
Major Malfunction wrote:
The American people are dumbest people in the world, their own elite rip them off and then blame it on another country and they swallow it hook, line and sinker....As if china NOT manipulating its currency is going to help the average american,...all its going to do to the Americans is create inflation. I think china will only let their currency float when the dollar is no longer the reserve currency of the world....Does the average American really believe that china would allow what happened to the Japanese Yen to happen to their currency? The americans forget that China has existed for thousands of years as mercantile, capitalist country they have only existed as a communist for 60 years I doubt they have totally forgotten how the worlds economy works. China will NOT become a superpower by its own actions, but by America, overstretching and overspending itself to remain the dominant force in the world rather like the Roman Empire before it, eventually the expense of trying to control the world will bring it down, this has happened to all the empires that came before it...including our own British Empire.
Oh by the way....You cannot have a good stable currency or a world reserve currency if you are going to just let it "Float". If the US Dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency. What are you talking about?
man1967

Dhaka, Bangladesh

#52 May 19, 2011
Let them fight it out,(N Vs S Korea, Israel Vs Iran) why bother? China is NOT interested.
Only Satanic US govt is interested (to cause trouble everywhere), and only know to blame China for their financial problem!
(Major Malfunction said it all ! Well said !)
Do they forget that US economy is about 2.5 times China? so how can a smaller economy country cause a bigger economy country problem? Kidding?
Bin Laden, Thanks for giving me a pass.
US surely can sell many high tech products n airplane to China, but US won't. So don't blame China.
Nothing last forever, so US dollars also will not be world's reserve currency forever!

Since: Mar 08

Long Island City, NY

#53 May 19, 2011
Bin Laden wrote:
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I cannot wait for somebody like China to be the World's Number one Superpower..I wanna see what happens when a dangerous situation lurks with another country..with nukes involved. I wanna see these dangerous nuts who we call Terrorists get their hands on Nukes..I wanna see who will protect South Korea from the North (China's friends)..I wanna see what happens when Iran wants to nuke Isreal Oh their is so much $hit I wanna see when all this goes down without America involved...I wanna see China take care of it all. I also wanna see China's special forces (Or what ever you call them) be the ones who will go after Murderous nuts and kill them like the US did to Saddam & Bin Laden and others as well when all these people wanted to do was destroy the world. Personally...I hope & pray I'm not alive when the US can no longer do this.
Who are you going to blame then? Or call stupid?
China abide by the principle of non-interference, or Westphalian sovereignty in western historical term, and you can even find that principle in star trek called Prime Directive. The principle says nations control their own fate, instead of a superpower attempting to control everything, and that they have only themselves to blame for any action they took, even one that leads them to oblivions; it is nobody else' fault.
Contributions

Minneapolis, MN

#54 May 19, 2011
Dubya wrote:
LOL! It seems that the Chinese are gung-ho about their military capabilities. But they are sadly mistaken. The very fact that US is making unbridled borrowing from is itself a direct consequence of this. China will never dare to call in the debt and any other kind of punitive action is not possible with the US because it only make rules, never follow them and history is testament to this. So suck it up, dear pathetic, puny chinamen !!!
First, I don't recall seeing any Chinese making any claims about military capability.

Second, the US can borrow because it has the world's reserve currency(for now), that doesn't have anything to do with China.

Third, if you weren't such a retard you'd know that the debt China holds is in treasury securities, which are liquid and heavily traded on the secondary markets, meaning they can simply sell them off to third parties, recouping their money while flooding the market with US treasuries which would bottom out their value and screw us over.

What are you going to do? Go to war over a legal financial transaction over debt you owe?

You do realize the Chinese have hundreds of nukes and second strike capability right?

Moron.
Major Malfunction

UK

#55 May 19, 2011
Bin Laden wrote:
<quoted text>
I cannot wait for somebody like China to be the World's Number one Superpower..I wanna see what happens when a dangerous situation lurks with another country..with nukes involved. I wanna see these dangerous nuts who we call Terrorists get their hands on Nukes..I wanna see who will protect South Korea from the North (China's friends)..I wanna see what happens when Iran wants to nuke Isreal Oh their is so much $hit I wanna see when all this goes down without America involved...I wanna see China take care of it all. I also wanna see China's special forces (Or what ever you call them) be the ones who will go after Murderous nuts and kill them like the US did to Saddam & Bin Laden and others as well when all these people wanted to do was destroy the world. Personally...I hope & pray I'm not alive when the US can no longer do this.
Who are you going to blame then? Or call stupid?
All the problems in this world stems from American meddling in areas that don't really effect them....the current war on terror (who originally trained these terrorists ? the USA) North and South Korea (who help create two Koreas ? the USA) Iran (who originally overthrew a democratically elected iranian president and allowed the Shah to impose his brutal regime till eventually a islamic fundamentalist uprising took place (the USA), Israel (who created helped create Israel without any regard to the Palestinians already on that land ? the USA),even china and taiwan (if the US had the conviction to back their ally to the hilt there would be only one china ).....all the worlds problems stem from US meddling....so if the US was not around the world would eventually balance itself out to some sort of equilibrium and peace.
Major Malfunction

UK

#56 May 19, 2011
Bin Laden wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh by the way....You cannot have a good stable currency or a world reserve currency if you are going to just let it "Float". If the US Dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency. What are you talking about?
Exactly ! why would the chinese allow their currency to float if its not in their interest...chinese want a stable currency so they peg it to the dollar which is the worlds reserve currency and hence pretty much retains its value (for now), a soon as the dollar is not the worlds reserve currency then then the chinese will either let their currency gain in value or peg it to the most stable alternative currency (possibly the euro) why would the chinese float their currency for the sake of the Americans while the US has the advantage ? that is national economic suicide.

Since: Apr 10

USA

#57 May 19, 2011
Major Malfunction wrote:
<quoted text>
All the problems in this world stems from American meddling in areas that don't really effect them....the current war on terror (who originally trained these terrorists ? the USA) North and South Korea (who help create two Koreas ? the USA) Iran (who originally overthrew a democratically elected iranian president and allowed the Shah to impose his brutal regime till eventually a islamic fundamentalist uprising took place (the USA), Israel (who created helped create Israel without any regard to the Palestinians already on that land ? the USA),even china and taiwan (if the US had the conviction to back their ally to the hilt there would be only one china ).....all the worlds problems stem from US meddling....so if the US was not around the world would eventually balance itself out to some sort of equilibrium and peace.
However, look at WWI and WWI. The U/S did not do any meddling. The U/S was staying as an isolated nation when the whole world was basically going to war (Seeing how you're bringing events up from the past). And you have the nerve to blame every conflict in the world on the U.S?
Major Malfunction

UK

#58 May 19, 2011
TheTank wrote:
<quoted text>However, look at WWI and WWI. The U/S did not do any meddling. The U/S was staying as an isolated nation when the whole world was basically going to war (Seeing how you're bringing events up from the past). And you have the nerve to blame every conflict in the world on the U.S?
I did not blame every conflict on the US only the problems around today...the two world wars are the folly of a of our own previous meddling when Britain was an empire ...just seems that the US has not learnt from our mistakes and they were our mistakes.....and our empire fell because of those mistakes all the US is now doing is repeating history....so eventually the US will fall.

Since: Apr 10

USA

#59 May 19, 2011
Major Malfunction wrote:
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I did not blame every conflict on the US only the problems around today...the two world wars are the folly of a of our own previous meddling when Britain was an empire ...just seems that the US has not learnt from our mistakes and they were our mistakes.....and our empire fell because of those mistakes all the US is now doing is repeating history....so eventually the US will fall.
The problems you listed were all modern day conflicts.
Bin Laden

Gettysburg, PA

#60 May 19, 2011
Major Malfunction wrote:
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All the problems in this world stems from American meddling in areas that don't really effect them....the current war on terror (who originally trained these terrorists ? the USA) North and South Korea (who help create two Koreas ? the USA) Iran (who originally overthrew a democratically elected iranian president and allowed the Shah to impose his brutal regime till eventually a islamic fundamentalist uprising took place (the USA), Israel (who created helped create Israel without any regard to the Palestinians already on that land ? the USA),even china and taiwan (if the US had the conviction to back their ally to the hilt there would be only one china ).....all the worlds problems stem from US meddling....so if the US was not around the world would eventually balance itself out to some sort of equilibrium and peace.
<<So if US was not around the world would eventually balance itself to some sort of equilibrium and peace>>

LOL!!! Oh Really?? What if they were not around towards the end of WW2 and the 40 years after that when the Soviet Union was around YOU TELL ME what you & I would be doing today here in 2011.And you think the world has problems now with the US involved in it? And all the "Meddling" they are doing towards it? As said before I cannot wait until they don't get involved in anything anymore!!Because I hope I'm dead by then. But in your case I hope you are alive to see what would really happen....Peace my ass.

Since: Mar 08

Long Island City, NY

#61 May 19, 2011
Bin Laden wrote:
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LOL!!! Oh Really?? What if they were not around towards the end of WW2 and the 40 years after that when the Soviet Union was around YOU TELL ME what you & I would be doing today here in 2011.
Same as it is today, with or without the US. Actually, without the US involvement, there would not be Korean War, Vietnam War, etc. There will still be an Afghan war, and the Russian will have a little bit easier time like how the US is doing there today, but eventually it'll have to call it quits as well. Soviet will still be collapsing due to its economic mismanagement, just that it'll take longer.
Bin Laden

Gettysburg, PA

#62 May 19, 2011
Major Malfunction wrote:
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Exactly ! why would the chinese allow their currency to float if its not in their interest...chinese want a stable currency so they peg it to the dollar which is the worlds reserve currency and hence pretty much retains its value (for now), a soon as the dollar is not the worlds reserve currency then then the chinese will either let their currency gain in value or peg it to the most stable alternative currency (possibly the euro) why would the chinese float their currency for the sake of the Americans while the US has the advantage ? that is national economic suicide.
You really think that the Euro is a stable currency? Are you kidding me? Ireland alone has a dept ratio so large that when you convert it into Dollars it adds up to almost $10 TRILLION!!!!! Now..that's just them how about we get started on Greece & Portugal..Spain and who ever else that will come out soon with what they owe. You must understand the Euro is more of a political currency than a Economical one..and it's way over valued. And the Chinese don't want their currency to have value because if it did they could not sell their products here in the US they be very expensive..nobody would buy them then their goes China. Just like the US now cannot sell anyhting in China because of the high Dollar and closed markets to American companies who can't sell much there. Well that day is coming...Again China is cheating if you like it or not
Bin Laden

Gettysburg, PA

#63 May 19, 2011
Zsari wrote:
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Same as it is today, with or without the US. Actually, without the US involvement, there would not be Korean War, Vietnam War, etc. There will still be an Afghan war, and the Russian will have a little bit easier time like how the US is doing there today, but eventually it'll have to call it quits as well. Soviet will still be collapsing due to its economic mismanagement, just that it'll take longer.
You are stupid. Please go post your fairly tale crap to somebody else. And WTF are you doing live in a country that is so evil?

Oh by the way...North Korea started that war.And their would not be a Afghan war if you Pal Bin Laden did not murder people. But as said before I am not going to waste my time answering the rest of your insane garbage.

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