Atheist Soldier Alleges Christian Bias

Dec 30, 2008 Full story: www.newsmax.com 78

AP, Topeka KS --

An atheist soldier suing over prayers at military formations claims a larger pattern of religious discrimination exists in the military, citing attempts to convert Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan and an evangelical bias in a suicide prevention manual.

A DOD Spokeswoman declined to comment on a pending lawsuit but noted that the military has policies against endorsing any religious view.

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Since: Jun 08

Not Waynesboro or Hagerstown

#1 Dec 30, 2008
STFU and get out now.
Humanist

Bethel Park, PA

#2 Dec 30, 2008
GenPatton wrote:
STFU and get out now.
Wait a minute. Isn't he supposed to be fighting for freedom? Freedom of religion, includes freedom FROM religion, doesn't it? Does freedom only count if it's your idea of freedom?

Since: Jun 08

Not Waynesboro or Hagerstown

#3 Dec 30, 2008
Not at all Humm, however if I feel unwanted somewhere, I'm moving on.
larry g

Ellicott City, MD

#4 Dec 30, 2008
GenPatton wrote:
Not at all Humm, however if I feel unwanted somewhere, I'm moving on.
That's you , freedoms means free General

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#5 Dec 30, 2008
Humanist wrote:
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Wait a minute. Isn't he supposed to be fighting for freedom? Freedom of religion, includes freedom FROM religion, doesn't it? Does freedom only count if it's your idea of freedom?
Nothing about Freedom From Religion in the Constitution. If the founding fathers meant that - they would have stated it.

That is a major flaw in your Atheist arguments.

The military takes an oath to protect and preserve the Constitution. It provides for the freedom to practice the religion of your choice, not keep people from practicing period.

If he doesn't agree with prayer, he doesn't have to participate, but he has no right to not allow others to participate if they wish.

If it is all that bad, he can resign. It's a volunteer service. If they have only had 50 complaints out of 1.4 million people in 3 years, I would say there isn't much a real issue here, and the poor little atheist are simple belly aching.
larry g

Ellicott City, MD

#6 Dec 30, 2008
GAPatriot65 wrote:
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Nothing about Freedom From Religion in the Constitution. If the founding fathers meant that - they would have stated it.
That is a major flaw in your Atheist arguments.
The military takes an oath to protect and preserve the Constitution. It provides for the freedom to practice the religion of your choice, not keep people from practicing period.
If he doesn't agree with prayer, he doesn't have to participate, but he has no right to not allow others to participate if they wish.
If it is all that bad, he can resign. It's a volunteer service. If they have only had 50 complaints out of 1.4 million people in 3 years, I would say there isn't much a real issue here, and the poor little atheist are simple belly aching.
you socalled patriots are the biggest fascist
Humanist

Bethel Park, PA

#7 Dec 30, 2008
GAPatriot65 wrote:
<quoted text>
Nothing about Freedom From Religion in the Constitution. If the founding fathers meant that - they would have stated it.
That is a major flaw in your Atheist arguments.
The military takes an oath to protect and preserve the Constitution. It provides for the freedom to practice the religion of your choice, not keep people from practicing period.
If he doesn't agree with prayer, he doesn't have to participate, but he has no right to not allow others to participate if they wish.
If it is all that bad, he can resign. It's a volunteer service. If they have only had 50 complaints out of 1.4 million people in 3 years, I would say there isn't much a real issue here, and the poor little atheist are simple belly aching.
So, you are saying that Americans are forced to have a religion? That's a pretty lame argument, don't you think? Perhaps this is all above your mental abilities!

Since: Jun 08

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#8 Dec 30, 2008
...EVERYone likes religion---As long as it's THEIR religion. The belief in God/Allah has inspired more wars, more killings, more hatred, more intolerance than Christians/Muslims are willing to accept...

...I have experienced, first-handed, just how hateful & intolerant the Bible-thumpers/Koran-thumpers can be. Destroy the naive beliefs of the Christians/Muslims, and you shall destroy any need for future wars...Just a thought...

“"I'm A Great American!"”

Since: Sep 08

Obama Nation! USA! USA!

#9 Dec 30, 2008
Big deal.

A soldier has a complaint and filed a lawsuit. Now he gets his day in court. If the lawsuit is frivolous, it will be thrown out. If it has merit, it will be litigated.

The system is working as it should. No need for all the Chicken Littles to cluck about how the sky is falling. Let justice run its course. If you don't like the end result, you have remedies that can be applied if there is a consensus.

And if religious observances need to happen in "believers only" gatherings, so be it. No doubt Jewish or Muslim US troops would object to a strong Christian service force fed to all.

Smart and responsible leaders can craft solutions that are a just and fair solution for all. No doubt those yearning for a monopoly for their faith will be disappointed.

“"I'm A Great American!"”

Since: Sep 08

Obama Nation! USA! USA!

#10 Dec 30, 2008
GenPatton wrote:
Not at all Humm, however if I feel unwanted somewhere, I'm moving on.
You gotta know when to fold 'em, Colonel Klink.

Since: Jun 08

Not Waynesboro or Hagerstown

#11 Dec 30, 2008
THE GAY GUY wrote:
...EVERYone likes religion---As long as it's THEIR religion. The belief in God/Allah has inspired more wars, more killings, more hatred, more intolerance than Christians/Muslims are willing to accept...
...I have experienced, first-handed, just how hateful & intolerant the Bible-thumpers/Koran-thumpers can be. Destroy the naive beliefs of the Christians/Muslims, and you shall destroy any need for future wars...Just a thought...
Then repent from your perveted life choice.....Save it for another thread.

Since: Jun 08

Not Waynesboro or Hagerstown

#12 Dec 30, 2008
PooPoo Platter wrote:
<quoted text>
You gotta know when to fold 'em, Colonel Klink.
Indeed P3. I retired so I wouldn't have to serve under the new CIC.

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#13 Dec 30, 2008
Get a freaking clue and try reading a book.

As a student of political and military history, the bulk of your wars, skirmishes, battles etc throughout history was more about land and wealth acquisition, or political ideaology, than religion.

Those in the gay and atheist circles like to put out the assertion it was religion, because on the one hand; gays are stated in the Bible and the Koran as sinful and against God's laws. On the otherhand, atheists can't stand the thought there is anything superior to them.

They like to make religion of any kind a scapegoat for their own failings.

As for intolerance, I have seen more hate, more anger, and far more intolerance coming from gays and atheists, as well as the liberal left, than any other group.

You will never destroy the beliefs of Christians, because despite your unwillingness to acknowledge or believe in God, He does exist, He knows full well who and what you are, and nothing you can do will ever eliminate Him.

Christianity has survived over 2000 years, I doubt anything you freaks can do will change that.
THE GAY GUY wrote:
...EVERYone likes religion---As long as it's THEIR religion. The belief in God/Allah has inspired more wars, more killings, more hatred, more intolerance than Christians/Muslims are willing to accept...
...I have experienced, first-handed, just how hateful & intolerant the Bible-thumpers/Koran-thumpers can be. Destroy the naive beliefs of the Christians/Muslims, and you shall destroy any need for future wars...Just a thought...

Since: Aug 08

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#14 Dec 30, 2008
Humanist wrote:
<quoted text>
So, you are saying that Americans are forced to have a religion? That's a pretty lame argument, don't you think? Perhaps this is all above your mental abilities!
Only an ignorant lame dork would take that point. I said freedom of religion, which can be no religion at all. It does not mean freedom from religion you moron.
Humanist

Bethel Park, PA

#15 Dec 30, 2008
GAPatriot65 wrote:
<quoted text>
Nothing about Freedom From Religion in the Constitution. If the founding fathers meant that - they would have stated it.
That is a major flaw in your Atheist arguments.
The military takes an oath to protect and preserve the Constitution. It provides for the freedom to practice the religion of your choice, not keep people from practicing period.
If he doesn't agree with prayer, he doesn't have to participate, but he has no right to not allow others to participate if they wish.
If it is all that bad, he can resign. It's a volunteer service. If they have only had 50 complaints out of 1.4 million people in 3 years, I would say there isn't much a real issue here, and the poor little atheist are simple belly aching.
How can you call yourself a "Constitutionalist" when you aren't even smart enough to know that the founding fathers were smart enough to be implicit rather than explicit in its contents. That's what we have the Supreme Court for - to interpret the Constitution. It is why the Constitution is purposely vague - to keep jerks like you from saying "I told you so". In a free country everyone has the right to believe or not believe as they wish. The Constitution even gives you the right to be a dumbass, if you wish. Your idea of freedom is warped.

“"I'm A Great American!"”

Since: Sep 08

Obama Nation! USA! USA!

#16 Dec 30, 2008
GenPatton wrote:
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Indeed P3. I retired so I wouldn't have to serve under the new CIC.
Serious question:

I think I've read you saying you served 22 years. That has you enlisted during the Bill Clinton years. You lived to tell about it.

You'd quit to avoid Obama? You'd still be in if McCain won?

At least you got your 20 years in.
Humanist

Bethel Park, PA

#17 Dec 30, 2008
GAPatriot65 wrote:
<quoted text>
Only an ignorant lame dork would take that point. I said freedom of religion, which can be no religion at all. It does not mean freedom from religion you moron.
You need to take a look in the mirror, you @$$h0!3
You talk a good game, but your narrow little mind doesn't know $h!t from Shinola.
Humanist

Bethel Park, PA

#18 Dec 30, 2008
GAPatriot65 wrote:
Get a freaking clue and try reading a book.
As a student of political and military history, the bulk of your wars, skirmishes, battles etc throughout history was more about land and wealth acquisition, or political ideaology, than religion.
Those in the gay and atheist circles like to put out the assertion it was religion, because on the one hand; gays are stated in the Bible and the Koran as sinful and against God's laws. On the otherhand, atheists can't stand the thought there is anything superior to them.
They like to make religion of any kind a scapegoat for their own failings.
As for intolerance, I have seen more hate, more anger, and far more intolerance coming from gays and atheists, as well as the liberal left, than any other group.
You will never destroy the beliefs of Christians, because despite your unwillingness to acknowledge or believe in God, He does exist, He knows full well who and what you are, and nothing you can do will ever eliminate Him.
Christianity has survived over 2000 years, I doubt anything you freaks can do will change that.
<quoted text>
You need to go back to school...and pay attention this time!

Since: Jun 08

Not Waynesboro or Hagerstown

#19 Dec 30, 2008
Serious answer. I was able to survive the President Clinton years, barely. IMO President Clinton cut the Military to the bare bones, it did start prior to his taking office, I'll give you that.

I actually had planned on retiring for quite some time, Obama just helped my decision. I'm not sure if I would've changed my mind if McCain won. I doubt it, I'd probably still retire.

Since: Jun 08

Not Waynesboro or Hagerstown

#20 Dec 30, 2008
I actually enlisted while Reagan was still in office. Sheez that makes me feel even older. lol

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