Army to Inactivate Accessions Command; Recruiting and Cadet Commands Align with TRADOC

A A A A A A A A A A A The Army Accessions Command will inactivate by the end of fiscal 2012 as part of the Department of Defense and Army efficiency reviews. Full Story

Since: Apr 11

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#1 Apr 29, 2011
We have to wonder what purpose USAAC really served other than another layer of management giving two star generals another opportunity to move up and get their ticket punched on their march towards retirement. At U.S. Army Recruiting Command,(USAREC), under the direct Command of USAAC, hapless and unknowing federal civil servants who wandered in there and took a job, were treated to working conditions harkening back to the sweat shops at turn of the last century. Just one example, was/is, the complete disregard for Federal Labor Standards Act regulations. No employee can be worked consistently off the clock in trade for compensatory leave. Eleven hour work days are/were the norm in violation of TRADOC's overtime regulations. No matter to supervising Army Officers - these same Army USAREC civil servants have no where to turn, as the labor unions have not been activated out in the 46 USAREC Battalions; there is no Employee Assistance Program (EAP) available, in violation of federal law; and, there are no EEO counselors for the USAREC Army civil servants within 2,000 miles, in some cases. Will post with the filing address for FLSA violations for Army USAREC civil servants who have been worked off the clock with no compensation, and bullied for the privilege. USAWRECK has a new two star General as of Feb 17, 2011 - MG David L Mann, who was assigned there previously as a Deputy CG - he has the "Human Resource Center of Excellence" right there on Fort Knox, KY. If only he would walk over there for advice on how to manage federal civil servants.

Since: Apr 11

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#2 Apr 30, 2011
Here is the authority for you as a TRADOC, USAAC or USAREC Army civil servant, to file a claim with the U.S. Office of Personnel Management (OPM) or the U.S. Department of Labor (DOL), if you too, were forced to work in excess of an eight hour work day, for no pay, and you are/were a non-exempt federal employee. Your GS grade level may not exceed that of a GS-10 step 1. Go to the the TRADOC website, and click on Command Policy Letters. Click on Command Policy Letter,#17. It is entitled Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) Responsibilities, 28 Apr 2009, Title 5, Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), Part 550, 551. Review it carefully. Do not allow yourself to continue to be bullied into accomplishing this work for no pay. Army Officers and other members of management cannot require Army federal civil servant employees in this category to accept compensatory time in lieu of overtime premium pay. Also, if they continue to work you and require you to perform tasks which cannot be accomplished in an eight hour day, look at the section of the Command Policy Letter which states TRADOC is liable for paying you for "suffering this labor for no pay". Next I will post the step by step instructions for you to file your claim with either OPM or the Department of Labor to recoup your back wages, with interest. For those of you so interested, there are law firms who will represent you as a group in a class action to recoup your back pay, from TRADOC, USAAC or USAREC, but why wait? File your own claim today. For this fiasco, we can thank Lt Gen Benjamin Freakley, of NASCAR fame, the CG of USAAC for the past several years, and Lt Gen Donald M. Campbell, Jr., former Deputy CG and CG of USAREC, who was just promoted and is now the CG at Fort Hood, Texas, and MG David L Mann, former Deputy CG and current CG of USAREC. These claims can only go back two or three years at the most, so get with it and file your claims before the clock runs out on you!
Informed Employee

United States

#5 May 6, 2011
Sweat shops? Please. Working a full 8 hour day and being at work 8 hours are not the same. Too many times I have seen (I am a civilian, too) civilians who do absolutely nothing unless directed to. No self-motivated employee who calls him or herself a civil servant would sit around drawing income from the tax payers the way many, to include you most likely, do.

I can think of one instance where a person would not be willing to do anything without direction.....my 5 year old kid! But, then again, he's 5 YEARS OLD. Grow up and stop complaining. It's people like you that give all of the GS employees a bad name with the American public.

If you did your job without having to have your hand held, you would be done at the end of each 8 hour day and there would be no need to cry about this.

Since: Apr 11

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#6 May 6, 2011
It is quite evident you do not know what you are talking about and are probably a shill for management. Your opinion is worthless because USAREC employees are already filing for their unpaid overtime, interest and liquidated damages. Beat it, kiss up.
CKH

Pella, IA

#7 Jun 4, 2011
Well you are right USAREC/Accessions Command are not sweat shops from a historical or even contemporary perspective. However you must be a former soldier that is so used to being treated like a dog, that you believe that is the norm. The working conditions across USAREC are not the norm throughout American business and industry. In fact they are much worse. If you can get everything done in an 8 hour day, then you are doing either a half ass job or you must have a job that requires you to do nothing other than send out assine taskings from a command or brigade level to the battalions and companies across USAREC.

If a civilian is sitting around with nothing to do, or seems to be how can I say dumber than dumb, this is the fault of management.

As for Accessions Command, good riddance. I feel for the employees who will lose their jobs. Accessions Command is just what a large organization like the Army needed, one more layer of bureaucracy. Now that I am thinking about it, get rid of TRADOC. TRADOC's functions can be handled by USAREC and that way we can get rid of the surplus officers who come up with dumb ass ideas that NCOs and civilians have to implement. Furthermore we can get rid of retired officers who come up with idiot ideas and then sell the ideas to the surplus officers. Last but not least we can close down Ft. Monroe. Maybe you TRADCO high speed guys don't realize it, but your moat is OUTDATED!!!!!

Have a NICE DAY.
Informed Employee wrote:
Sweat shops? Please. Working a full 8 hour day and being at work 8 hours are not the same. Too many times I have seen (I am a civilian, too) civilians who do absolutely nothing unless directed to. No self-motivated employee who calls him or herself a civil servant would sit around drawing income from the tax payers the way many, to include you most likely, do.
I can think of one instance where a person would not be willing to do anything without direction.....my 5 year old kid! But, then again, he's 5 YEARS OLD. Grow up and stop complaining. It's people like you that give all of the GS employees a bad name with the American public.
If you did your job without having to have your hand held, you would be done at the end of each 8 hour day and there would be no need to cry about this.
CKH

Pella, IA

#8 Jun 4, 2011
Well you are right USAREC/Accessions Command are not sweat shops from a historical or even contemporary perspective. However you must be a former soldier that is so used to being treated like a dog, that you believe that is the norm. The working conditions across USAREC are not the norm throughout American business and industry. In fact they are much worse. If you can get everything done in an 8 hour day, then you are doing either a half ass job or you must have a job that requires you to do nothing other than send out assine taskings from a command or brigade level to the battalions and companies across USAREC.

If a civilian is sitting around with nothing to do, or seems to be how can I say dumber than dumb, this is the fault of management.

As for Accessions Command, good riddance. I feel for the employees who will lose their jobs. Accessions Command is just what a large organization like the Army needed, one more layer of bureaucracy. Now that I am thinking about it, get rid of TRADOC. TRADOC's functions can be handled by USAREC and that way we can get rid of the surplus officers who come up with dumb ass ideas that NCOs and civilians have to implement. Furthermore we can get rid of retired officers who come up with idiot ideas and then sell the ideas to the surplus officers. Last but not least we can close down Ft. Monroe. Maybe you TRADOC high speed guys don't realize it, but your moat is OUTDATED!!!!!

Have a NICE DAY.
JEdrington

San Luis Obispo, CA

#9 Jun 26, 2011
Good job, CKH. CG USAAC Lt Gen Benjamin "NASCAR" Freakley will be retiring - the sooner the better to save the cost of his active duty pay and entitlements. It will be interesting to keep an eye out for his next career move. Sorry for Army civilians if any laid off. Cut the fat at the top!
Laughing my butt off

United States

#10 Dec 8, 2011
Your facts are definitely distorted. The unpaid overtime was a scam played out by civilian employees at battalions that are not anywhere near an army base.

If USAAC is so ineffective, then why hasn't USAREC jumped at the opportunity to take over the functions that are going away instead of meeting them head on with an extended hand of push back.

As soon as USAAC is gone, there will be whining that nothing can get done.

See you on the other side. I'm headed back to USAREC from USAAC. I was in USAREC 11 years prior to moving to USAAC, both in and out of uniform. So, I know a little bit about what's being said in this thread.

Heads up.....there ARE a lot of lazy and worthless people calling themselves army civilians. A couple have already posted in this room.

Sweat shops! Really. How old are you? 12?

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