More Troops To Afghanistan Not In Doubt

More Troops To Afghanistan Not In Doubt

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Carm

Ilsede, Germany

#1 Oct 14, 2009
this degenerate moron who wrote this article must be send to this Afghanistan on the front line.It will be in practice just like till now that tousends of Afghans and Pakistanis will be murdered and destruction of these poor countries and crashing of human rights will be continued in the name of profits for military lobbists and it is one of two main goals of these war- profits for pockets of military lobbists and profits for drug dealers from drug trade
It is really scandalous, why and for what purpose to continue this crime against humanity against common reason, against economical grounds - this fu...d usa drwons in debts, there are more than 38 mln unemployed there and millions of homeless and the only sorrow of scum who ruules there is how to stoke with money some lobbists and this scum who cheated people to grab power there just this obama - what is the difference between him and between this bush? there is no differences in practice. both are degenerate, ruthless war criminals just like hitler was and both have blood of millions of innocent people on their hands.
Jones

“It's about the American People”

Since: Jun 07

Flushing, NY

#2 Oct 14, 2009
Clearly, US troops will be victorious in defeating the Taliban Islamic terrorists if they do not send to Afghanistan more US troops but…a new commander in chief who seeks the victory of our US troops rather than their defeat to Islam as Obama wishes.
Obama’s plan to use our US troops as policemen rather as soldiers proves that US troops have no clear goal in their stay in Afghanistan as target sitting ducts for the emboldened islamic terrorists who loves Obama and his restrictions and limitation on our US troops right to fight back the Islamic terrorists which endangers the life every US troop in Afghanistan.
President Karzai's comments about the US troops’ future in Afghanistan after the elections ‘spilled the beans’ about his plan with Obama to use our US troops as police force and to stop their fighting against the Taliban Islamic terrorists that will become part of the new Afghan government.
Clearly, Karzai emphasized that he does not want US troop’s ‘war against thee Taliban and al Qaida Islamic terrorists’ inside Afghanistan. This statement of Afghanistan president Karzai is based on the decision of the African Muslim born commander in Chief Obama and Karzai the war against islamic terrorists ended and it is time to bring our US troops safely home.
Idi O Syncrasy

Patterson, CA

#3 Oct 14, 2009
Obama's hesitant Afghanistan 'Strategy' reminds me of the last time Liberal Democrats got in over their heads in a Protracted War without clear goals.

Well, come on all of you, big strong men,
Barack Obama needs your help again.
He's got himself in a terrible jam
Way down yonder in Afghanistan
So put down your books and pick up a gun,
We're gonna have a whole lotta fun.

And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Afghanistan;
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

Come on Wall Street, don't be slow,
Why man, this is war au-go-go
There's plenty good money to be made
By supplying the Army with the tools of its trade,
But just hope and pray that if they drop the bomb,
They drop it on the Taliban.

And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Afghanistan.
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

(apologies to Country Joe McDonald and the Fish)

Pierre France

“Cogito Ergo Sum”

Since: Feb 08

South of France

#4 Oct 14, 2009
Have we told you to STFU until you know what you're talking about, Drones ?

If so, why do you persist in repeating ad-verbatim your mindless spew of nonsense for your sinister propaganda masters ?

Listen carefully, because I know this will go over your head.

You do NOT win an asymmetric war with conventional military means. You win it by doing pretty much what President Obama and his commanders are doing.
Until you know something about COIN, please save the planet and stop wasting pixels with your drivel.

President Obama is far, far more American than you are, Drones.
Shit, I'm more American than you are.......
Charlie

Columbus, OH

#5 Oct 14, 2009
It figures that anti-American terrorist-loving traitors (Republicans) want US to fail in our effort.
Peter

Elyria, OH

#6 Oct 14, 2009
Lets get the hell out of Afghanistan.
Idi O Syncrasy

Patterson, CA

#7 Oct 14, 2009
Pierre France wrote:
Have we told you to STFU until you know what you're talking about, Drones ?
If so, why do you persist in repeating ad-verbatim your mindless spew of nonsense for your sinister propaganda masters ?
Listen carefully, because I know this will go over your head.
You do NOT win an asymmetric war with conventional military means. You win it by doing pretty much what President Obama and his commanders are doing.
Until you know something about COIN, please save the planet and stop wasting pixels with your drivel.
President Obama is far, far more American than you are, Drones.
Shit, I'm more American than you are.......
Oh This is GOOD!

A Frog telling the U.S.A. how to win a War.

What's it been, Twenty Generations since France has won a War?

By the Way..........
How's the Muslim Rioting going there in Gay Paree?
Have the French Surrendered there Yet?

Pierre France

“Cogito Ergo Sum”

Since: Feb 08

South of France

#8 Oct 15, 2009
Idi O Syncrasy wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh This is GOOD!
A Frog telling the U.S.A. how to win a War.
What's it been, Twenty Generations since France has won a War?
By the Way..........
How's the Muslim Rioting going there in Gay Paree?
Have the French Surrendered there Yet?
One of the reasons people like you are stunningly ignorant is that your arrogance and brainwashed idiot über-patriotism blinds you completely to reality.

The last "war" you clueless goobers won by yourselves was Granada.
You drew in Korea, lost in 'Nam, are still scuttling around like confused Beatle Baillies in Iraq and are floundering in Afgasistan.

With the help of the UN you more or less won in the first Oil War in the Gulf, though. So hats off for that. Ooorah !

The last time France won anything ? Recently. Our Humanity and peace of mind for not embarking on oil wars for a bunch of greedy, deluded lying sacks of shit who heisted America and sent your kids off to die for corporate profits.

That's a big victory, in my book.

"Dulce Bellum Inexpertis."

Arguing with you, though, is like arguing with a flat-earther, your mind has been made up for you, and you're no longer capable of independent thought, nor reason.
The neocons have sucked out what little remained of the American and replaced it with a drone slave-mind capable merely of repeating ad-verbatim the nonsensical spew of the echo-chamber.

There were no "Muslim riots" in France, just rioting by pissed-off kids out for thrills and free TV's. They are no worse than when the fishermen or farmers get annoyed, and our firemen rioted not so long ago, and that was a similar mess.
Many of the cars burnt were done so for insurance fraud. Sad but true.
Luckily you have FOX, who can suck your puny intellect out like soda through a straw and fill you with the shrill paranoid bleating of Steyn, Beck, Horrorwitz and Limbo, all the other jerks who crave an "enemy" to justify why your tax dollars are being swallowed by the Whore-machine, and why your education system is bad enough to churn out clueless putzes like you, and why your infrastructure and social system is a joke world-wide.
westley Manchester

UK

#9 Oct 15, 2009
Pierre France wrote:
Have we told you to STFU until you know what you're talking about, Drones ?
If so, why do you persist in repeating ad-verbatim your mindless spew of nonsense for your sinister propaganda masters ?
Listen carefully, because I know this will go over your head.
You do NOT win an asymmetric war with conventional military means. You win it by doing pretty much what President Obama and his commanders are doing.
Until you know something about COIN, please save the planet and stop wasting pixels with your drivel.President Obama is far, far more American than you are, Drones.
Shit, I'm more American than you are.......
Blimey,even I'm more American than Jones/Drones!!(Great post by the way)
Idi O Syncrasy

Patterson, CA

#10 Oct 15, 2009
Pierre France wrote:
Ooorah !

The last time France won anything ? Recently. Our Humanity and peace of mind for not embarking on oil wars for a bunch of greedy, deluded lying sacks of shit who heisted America and sent your kids off to die for corporate profits.
That's a big victory, in my book.

There were no "Muslim riots" in France, just rioting by pissed-off kids out for thrills and free TV's. They are no worse than when the fishermen or farmers get annoyed, and our firemen rioted not so long ago, and that was a similar mess.
Many of the cars burnt were done so for insurance fraud. Sad but true.
Despite your Justification for France being the raped old whore of Europe,
it is still National Cowardice.
National Disgrace.
National Fear.
No need to hide behind Your Lies.

Ring of Fire: The Paris Riots
By The Globalist | Friday, November 11, 2005

Sparked by the accidental death of two young French Muslims, unrest that originated in the suburbs of Paris has spread to cities across France. Who is at fault — and what can be done? Our Read My Lips feature looks at the global reaction to the French riots and their wider implications.

That French officials show no sign, on the eighth day of the Paris riots, of recognizing that this clash of values is the heart of the problem only guarantees that before they will be able to say that their difficulties with their Muslim population are behind them, many more cars will be torched, many more buildings burned, and many more lives destroyed.

“Home to Europe's largest Muslim community — nearly one-tenth of its 60 million people — France is the main testing ground of the continent's ability to bring this rapidly growing minority into the fold."
(Editorial in the Wall Street Journal)

What is the most striking aspect of the riots?

"President Jacques Chirac and his ministers appear to have no idea what to do — and to whom to talk."
(Editorial in the New York Times)

"European tolerance to intolerance is coming back to bite them."
(Claude Salhani, UPI International Editor)

"The republic is at a moment of truth. What is being questioned is the effectiveness of our integration model."
(French Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin)

"West European city folk and police officers have been familiar with the reality that certain areas of major European cities are no-go areas, especially at night and certainly if you are white or wearing a uniform. Three years ago, a French friend who had his car stolen learned that the thieves had parked the car in a particular suburb. When he went to the police he was told that the police did not operate in that neighbourhood and consequently would not be able to retrieve his car. This is Western Europe in the early 21st century."
(Paul Belien at Brussels Journal coverage of the “Ramadan rioting”)

"Did I mention the boys and the rioters were Muslims?

You see, France has this huge population of Muslims growing like a viper in its bosom, and not enough intestinal fortitude to do anything about it. The French government has long ignored (even fostered) the growth of this population, and its international face has, especially since the onset of the war on Terror and the War for Iraqi Liberation, appeared for all the world to smile on the Muslim world."
(George Adair at Brussels Journal writes on how the riots expose the failure of French Big Government.)
amel

Ilsede, Germany

#11 Oct 15, 2009
this war must be over, these troops must be out of Afghanistan, no more massacres there, country must be rebuilt of course by all this scum from usa and nato which ruined this country - common, compulsive discard to make one good thing in criminal, amoral lives - to compensate for people which lives were totally crashed just by usa and fellows from nato.
amel

Ilsede, Germany

#12 Oct 15, 2009
Jones wrote:
Clearly, US troops will be victorious in defeating the Taliban Islamic terrorists if they do not send to Afghanistan more US troops but…a new commander in chief who seeks the victory of our US troops rather than their defeat to Islam as Obama wishes.
Obama’s plan to use our US troops as policemen rather as soldiers proves that US troops have no clear goal in their stay in Afghanistan as target sitting ducts for the emboldened islamic terrorists who loves Obama and his restrictions and limitation on our US troops right to fight back the Islamic terrorists which endangers the life every US troop in Afghanistan.
President Karzai's comments about the US troops’ future in Afghanistan after the elections ‘spilled the beans’ about his plan with Obama to use our US troops as police force and to stop their fighting against the Taliban Islamic terrorists that will become part of the new Afghan government.
Clearly, Karzai emphasized that he does not want US troop’s ‘war against thee Taliban and al Qaida Islamic terrorists’ inside Afghanistan. This statement of Afghanistan president Karzai is based on the decision of the African Muslim born commander in Chief Obama and Karzai the war against islamic terrorists ended and it is time to bring our US troops safely home.
you must withdraw, give money for rebuildinig of thi country and compensations for victims of your aggression. your soldiers are no policemen-they have no bloody idea about anything- they know one thing how to massacre people and they showed it during 8 years of their stay n this Afghanistan and it is really enough. Out of this country at last. 8 years of hitleritelike crime against humanity it is really enough.

Pierre France

“Cogito Ergo Sum”

Since: Feb 08

South of France

#14 Oct 19, 2009
amel wrote:
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you must withdraw, give money for rebuildinig of thi country and compensations for victims of your aggression. your soldiers are no policemen-they have no bloody idea about anything- they know one thing how to massacre people and they showed it during 8 years of their stay n this Afghanistan and it is really enough. Out of this country at last. 8 years of hitleritelike crime against humanity it is really enough.
It's about time the Afghan people step up to the plate, then, Amel.
Can you see that happening anytime soon ?
I can't.
The Great Game has been played by amateurs for the last twenty years, and the people we SHOULD have listened too, respected and helped like the Lion of Panjshir were ignored in the West's greed for oil and easy access to the Caspian basin.

Are you an Afghan, Amel, far from the Hindu Kush, from the aching vista of the endless mountains and searing crags, or the dry, dusty plains ?

What do you suggest should be done, Amel ?

Since: Oct 09

Braybrook, Australia

#15 Oct 19, 2009
can i seriously ask a question..
Is America and its troops helping any part of the world? anywhere? There always seems to be more trouble everywhere.

Pierre France

“Cogito Ergo Sum”

Since: Feb 08

South of France

#16 Oct 19, 2009
In some cases, yes they are.
When they're part of UN missions, Americans are valuable allies, and they're the only ones, along with the Russians, capable of logistical deployment to every corner of the globe rapidly.

When they're being used as brain-washed pawns in some rich elites oil and hegemony power-trip, no, they're not useful.

Most of the trouble on the globe comes from resource plundering and domination.

Look at all the trouble spots, and then find out what vital product comes from there, and "bingo", instant understanding of "Why We Fight".

Iraq and Afghanistan were always about the oil.
America was attacked (maybe...) by a Saudi, using Saudi and Kuwaiti nationals supposedly fired-up by Saudi religious extremism, funded by the ISI of Pakistan, and working for some shady people who needed a "Neo enemy" to justify all the trillions spent on "defense" since the Soviets had collapsed and taken their toys home.
So what did the Bush puppet do ?
He invaded Iraq.

Go figure.

If you haven't seen this already, then take the time to watch it and open your eyes, your mind, and see just how much of a sucker we've all been played for.

http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNigh...

Since: Oct 09

Braybrook, Australia

#17 Oct 19, 2009
yehh i totally agree with you i reckon, i believe most of the Bush intentions were not about peace, instead wealth for his country, and growth for his economy. To be honest, I can't see America standing strong on their feet for more than 100 years. Everything that goes up, will come down. Within the next 50 years, i see a turning point for lots of aspects of life. What do you see?

Pierre France

“Cogito Ergo Sum”

Since: Feb 08

South of France

#18 Oct 19, 2009
Same thing.
Imperial hegemony was on its way out, with the sheer cost of the war machine being too enormous to justify when there was no identifiable or viable foe to have such a massive military monolith to "fight".
The US spends over half the ENTIRE planets nations combined budget on weapons and warry crap, a fraction of which would be sufficient to stop all life on the planet in less time than you could say "Nuclear Winter".

The neocons, hooked in below the Beltway to the military/industrial complex, felt that they had all this awesome firepower, so why not use it to make things "better" around the World ?
"Better" meaning more consumers for American company products, and a means of stunting the Chinese economic and industrial growth, because make no bones about it, the bogeyman for the neocons and their imperialist "full spectrum domination" power-trip is the Chinese.

Only China will have the economic weight, intellectual drive and technical savoir-faire to topple the Americans from the top of the pile.
America is beginning to lag behind the rest of the civilized world in so many fields that to catch up to the Chinese was nearly impossible, so they had to find a way of stunting or controlling Chinese raw material acquisition, without risking a full-scale confrontation.

One way is to create a "Phantom menace" seemingly utterly unrelated to the REAL aim, which is total American domination over the planet. An "evil enemy who hates our freedumb" which just happens to be in the way of (or on top of...) the oil and raw material transit routes, then stoke some fundie extremism and blow up a few things to "shock and awe" the gullible citizens to trot along for the ride, and the game is in play.

The neocons, largely responsible for the continuation and escalation of the Gold War, had realized that actually having an "enemy" capable of destroying you completely was a bad thing, it's far better to have a "nebulous" and "invisible" enemy to wage war against, backed up by a full-scale propaganda campaign.
It suits most nations, too, because it's always nice to have someone to scapegoat, and if they happen to look like a bunch of primitive sand-dwellers with a savage, fanatical cult who hate women, all the easier to demonize them in the eyes of the tax-paying public.

Show me a single government, politician or state system who wouldn't say "No" to a bit more power, a bit more control over the citizens, even the most democratic and free of us.

Bet you can't find one....
Rocketman

Dartmouth, Canada

#19 Oct 19, 2009
No identifiable or viable foe?...you guys make me laugh.
Rocketman

Dartmouth, Canada

#20 Oct 19, 2009
amel wrote:
this war must be over, these troops must be out of Afghanistan, no more massacres there, country must be rebuilt of course by all this scum from usa and nato which ruined this country - common, compulsive discard to make one good thing in criminal, amoral lives - to compensate for people which lives were totally crashed just by usa and fellows from nato.
How did the USA and NATO ruin Afghanistan?...that's the dumbest thing I've read on topix in days!

We're trying to make the country better and people like you want Afghnanistan to stay the way it was before.

All of you people are against the troops, against the mission, etc etc...so tell me what your better idea is of making Afghanistan better and/or fighting radicals like the taliban.

Pierre France

“Cogito Ergo Sum”

Since: Feb 08

South of France

#21 Oct 19, 2009
Rocketman wrote:
No identifiable or viable foe?...you guys make me laugh.
So who is the foe that justifies new Virginia-class nuclear submarines and the (now aborted..) Raptor F-22 program ?
Some Allah-botherer with a Subaru and 50 kg of fertilizer and household cleaner ?

Who threatens us ?

The US, English and French atomic arsenals can lay waste to the planet 500 times over, and the Russians, Chinese, South Africans, Israelis, Indians and Pakistanis can finish off the rubble.
Who the fuck threatens us ?
Some dusty, desert mumbo-believing bunch of God botherers ?

We've grown out of the idiocy of invisible men and talking donkeys, and we're not likely to fall for winged horses and child brides.

Islam is no more of a threat to the West than a turtle is to a tiger.

Ignorance is the biggest threat to Western civilization, and you may be a part of it.

Time for you to re-read your "1984", this time, substitute "Osama Bin Gone" for "Emmanuel Goldstein", and "Al Patsi" for "The hordes of Eurasia", and as you happy-clap along to your Rupert Moloch Mass Muddier propaganda blare, contemplate this.

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
--Voltaire

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