Upstate psychiatrists give war-weary ...

Upstate psychiatrists give war-weary at Fort Drum a chance to talk, tools to cope

There are 4 comments on the The Post-Standard story from Dec 29, 2009, titled Upstate psychiatrists give war-weary at Fort Drum a chance to talk, tools to cope. In it, The Post-Standard reports that:

Dr. David Keith, a psychiatrist at SUNY Upstate Medical Center, Syracuse, sits in an office at Fort Drum-Good Samaritan Behavioral Health Clinic in Watertown.

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Branford, FL

#1 Dec 29, 2009
I can see it now. Teary eyed GI's getting the mental heath disability payment to enrich the mental health industry by showing up at the doors of some mind quack without a science to their profession and based on mental health propaganda and drug addiction from psychotropic / anti depressant drugs given to the GI's while in a war zone.

Lets not overlook the enticement of the disability payment and the long term services of the mental health in correcting a bogus "made to order" mental illness requiring more mind drugs..It's all about money and the compromising and weakening the U.S. Military for the mental health's power and gain.

Baltimore Sun's article by Lisa Chedekel and Matthew Kauffman " Policies on mentally troubled troops questioned" is informative to the problems of psychotropic drug usage on the war front.

Boonville, NY

#2 Dec 29, 2009
The psychiatric services of Upstate Medical Center is well known in this area for their outreach programs. You are not from this area, so therefore you do not know this. It is a good clinic with VERY good doctors.

I have know troops with post traumatic stress. It is not something that can be flung aside with a blank statement.

My own nightmares ended just a few years ago and I have been retired for 14 years!(no, I do not draw any disability)

A single article on a broad, complex problem over many years does not make it fact. It is like taking a snap shop of a street in a large city slum and saying this is what the whole country is like.

Unless you are a doctor familiar with such problems, or a combat veteran, then I assume you are just a cynical minded person with a lot of problems in your heart.

I pity you

Branford, FL

#3 Dec 29, 2009
Exactly what science do they have?

The mental health industry is political with social control and without concern to the public health and welfare.

The mental health / Pharmacutical connection is causing drug abuse and compromising the sanity of this nation for political reasons.

The mental health industry is making a diagnoses on the phycological differences between the so called "mentally ill" and the "normal" without knowing what a proper and healthy chemical "balance" look like?"

There is no test according to the APA who admitted they lied in 2007.

If we respect metabolic changes based on daily dietary habits, weight gain / loss, terms of the survival of the organisms as a person age along with physical conditioning, physical illness, electrolyte level, gender differences , body temperature, I don't see where the Mental Health and Counseling Industry could conform to any consistency in data with consideration to the above to state a person has a mental disease or illness based on chemical imbalance.

Besides, the mental health psychiatric diagnoses isn't even part of standard medical procedure known as the medical model in which all doctors are trained and is the only branch of medicine operating completely on political decisions and hearsay.

If an orthopedic surgeon operated on a patient without the aid of an X-ray, he would be working at the car wash the next day.

No Test for chemical imbalance

There Are No "Chemical Imbalances"

"The hypothetical disturbances of neurochemical function that are said to underlie "mental illness" are just that: hypothetical. No experiment has ever shown that anyone has an "imbalance" of any neurotransmitters or any other brain chemicals. Nor could any conceivable experiment demonstrate the existence of a "chemical imbalance," simply because no one, least of all the biopsychiatrists, has the slightest idea what a proper and healthy chemical "balance" would look like."

"...the views and beliefs of biopsychiatry have nothing to do with the answers to scientific questions in any case: the hunt for biological "causes" of "mental illness" is an entirely fallacious enterprise in the first place; the non- existence of data to support its assertions is quite beside the point."

"The latest edition of one pharmacology text has this to say about the status of depression as a disease: "Despite extensive efforts, attempts to document the metabolic changes in human subjects predicted by these [biological] hypotheses have not, on balance, provided consistent or compelling corroboration." This is a long-winded way of admitting that not even a scrap of evidence supports the idea that depression results from a "chemical imbalance." Yet patients are told every day - by their doctors, by the media, and by drug company advertising - that it is a proven scientific fact that depression has a known biochemical origin. It follows directly that millions of Americans are being lied to by their doctors; and people surely can't give informed consent for drug treatment when what they're being "informed" by is a fraud.... To sum up: there is no evidence whatsoever to support the view that "mental illness" is biochemical in origin; in other words, things like "Unipolar Disorder" and "Attention Deficit Disorder" simply do not exist."

Boonville, NY

#4 Jan 7, 2010
Now THAT is a very interesting argument. That got me thinking and I take my hat off to you.

Remember also that the individual neurons do not actually touch each other and the synopsis is made through chemical electrical impulses. I know that magnesium plays an important part in this, but who knows exactly which chemicals, enzymes,or combinations thereof causes a brain to function normally. If we knew that, then perhaps there would be a cure for MS, Alzheimer, Parkinson and other neurological diseases.

In my work I regularly come in contact with many people who have "chemical imbalances" in their brains. I have seen them when they forget, or refuse to take their "meds" and of course when they are on them. Science may not be able to satisfactorily explain exactly what takes place in their brains. One cannot forget the myriad of enzymes that are at work also, but the stark behavioral difference between when they are on their "meds" and when they are not cannot be denied.

We must recognize that medicine is NOT and exact science and by the very nature of psychology, it must be particularly true in that field.

I have heard that ADD and Bipolar disorders are the most commonly misdiagnosed problems in medicine. I have also heard that they are frequently used as a "catch all" when the exact problems cannot be found.

That said, I have seen people who have been diagnosed with the above disorders who simply could not function, yet one would never know there was anything wrong with them while they were on their "meds".

I submit that this is irrefutable evidence that in many cases, the doctors know what they are doing when prescribing psychiatric medicine.

I also think we have to be careful with broad accusations of lying and conspiracy. I am certain that there are some doctors who fit that category, but I am also certain there are many doctors whose integrity is beyond reproach.

This is a very interesting subject. Thank you for continuing it.

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