Norway gunman utilized lax US gun laws

Jul 28, 2011 Full story: MSNBC 48

The U.S. should be ashamed that its laws would allow high-capacity gun clips used in the Norwegian massacre to be sold and shipped overseas, says a New York congresswoman seeking to restrict use of such clips.

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PATRIOT

San Antonio, TX

#22 Jul 24, 2012
swedenforever wrote:
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He was from Sweden, TNT..now just think if everyone is armed in that theatre and there were 2 shooters on each side of the room-they're be 40 or 50 dead-to be cont'd- Patrot
Well, I was trying to make apoint before you did your bait and switch the argument on me.

Nobel invented TNT. TNT has killed millions of people. Let's ban TNT. Nobel gives prizes to people who invented the atomic bomb. Let's ban atomic bombs and Nobel prizes. Sweden produced the Viking hoards that killed thousands of people. Let's ban Svedes. Hell, let's just ban cars that kill, doctors that kill, lions and aligators that kill, snow storms and tornados that kill, and bad chicken tacos that kill-or at least make you so sick you think you've been killed.

Just think if I was the only other armed person in that theater. The red headed jerk would be dead, and I can garantee you that the death toll would be two, tops. But we damned sure know what happened with just one person being armed, now don't we.
PATRIOT

San Antonio, TX

#23 Jul 24, 2012
swedenforever wrote:
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People like me don't believe in violence against civilians..You must be Zimmerman
Wait a minute. People like you don't believe in violence against civilians. Does that mean you believe in violence against non-civilians? Define civilian and I'll take it from there and figure the rest out on my own. But it's obvious you are a violent person against someone other than a civilian, ergo YOU must be a Zimmerman.
Toby

Portland, OR

#24 Jul 25, 2012
swedenforever wrote:
<quoted text>
People like me don't believe in violence against civilians..You must be Zimmerman
You must be Mao or Hitler because you believe in disarming law-abiding citizens' from their ability to stop criminals.
Toby

Portland, OR

#25 Jul 25, 2012
swedenforever wrote:
<quoted text>
He was from Sweden, TNT..now just think if everyone is armed in that theatre and there were 2 shooters on each side of the room-they're be 40 or 50 dead-to be cont'd- Patrot
Alfred Nobel helped many terrorists blow up people and buildings. No wonder you swell with pride.

“Now thats a tin hat!”

Since: Oct 07

Blue Ridge Mountains

#26 Jul 25, 2012
swedenforever wrote:
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He was from Sweden, TNT..now just think if everyone is armed in that theatre and there were 2 shooters on each side of the room-they're be 40 or 50 dead-to be cont'd- Patrot
Jane you ignorant slut.
Aimed fire kills way more often that collateral fire.
Liberal you will never know that. Armed me sees and hears about this everyday. The most helpless defending themselves with guns.



Go granpa go....
Even you, target, can do this.

Since: Jul 11

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#27 Jul 25, 2012
PATRIOT wrote:
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Svede, try this real thinker. Put an unloaded gun on your kitchen table. How many people will it kill? Put a loaded gun on your kitchen table. How many people will it kill? Put a loaded gun in the hands of a killer. How many people will the gun kill?
In fact, the gun will not kill one human being unless it is used by
another human being who wants to kill. And it makes no differenc whethet it is a single shot .22 rifle, or an AR15 semi-automatic with a thirty round clip. And if the killer can't get a "gun", then the killer can go on the net and find out what chemicals can make "bombs".
BTW-where was Alfred Nobel from, and what was his most famous invention?
The issue is that guns make it easier to kill so therefore if they get into the hands of a murderer..He/She can harm more people..and when you factor into assault weapons, its just not wise to give anyone access to fully automatic weapons

Also, if we all have guns and I'm a criminal, I'd be like Zimmerman kill first and lie to the police

No one died when Clinton lied
Law

Omaha, NE

#28 Jul 25, 2012
swedenforever wrote:
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The issue is that guns make it easier to kill so therefore if they get into the hands of a murderer..He/She can harm more people..and when you factor into assault weapons, its just not wise to give anyone access to fully automatic weapons
Also, if we all have guns and I'm a criminal, I'd be like Zimmerman kill first and lie to the police
No one died when Clinton lied
And yet you can't come up with many crimes committed with full-autos.

Since: Jul 11

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#29 Jul 25, 2012
PATRIOT wrote:
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Well, I was trying to make apoint before you did your bait and switch the argument on me.
Nobel invented TNT. TNT has killed millions of people. Let's ban TNT. Nobel gives prizes to people who invented the atomic bomb. Let's ban atomic bombs and Nobel prizes. Sweden produced the Viking hoards that killed thousands of people. Let's ban Svedes. Hell, let's just ban cars that kill, doctors that kill, lions and aligators that kill, snow storms and tornados that kill, and bad chicken tacos that kill-or at least make you so sick you think you've been killed.
Just think if I was the only other armed person in that theater. The red headed jerk would be dead, and I can garantee you that the death toll would be two, tops. But we damned sure know what happened with just one person being armed, now don't we.
i.e. Alfred Einstein predicted that the splitting of the atom would produce large amounts of energy and warned against any nations the use of it as a weapon and we spent trillions of dollars fighting a cold war with Russia-Korea,Viet/Cam,Bay of Pigs,looking for WMD's(nuclear missiles) thousands of children and grandfathers,grandmothers and children dead what a horrific waste
BUT its ok to sell assault rifles because if all people are armed the country is safer with all these mentally ill people and excons around-WHAT??-but its not ok for North Korea,Iran,etc.to have WMD's-wake up fools!

Since: Jul 11

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#30 Jul 25, 2012
Where's Ron Paul when I need him?

Since: Jul 11

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#31 Jul 25, 2012
Law wrote:
<quoted text>And yet you can't come up with many crimes committed with full-autos.
I'm not against ownership for others, that's their choice but if I can vote an assault weapon ban-I'd do it yesterday..I grew up in a gun free house and when we were young we wrestled or punched until it was over not this cowardly weapon crap..and the 2 fighters usually became close friends later

maybe I'm old fashioned in that way
Law

Omaha, NE

#32 Jul 25, 2012
swedenforever wrote:
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I'm not against ownership for others, that's their choice but if I can vote an assault weapon ban-I'd do it yesterday..I grew up in a gun free house and when we were young we wrestled or punched until it was over not this cowardly weapon crap..and the 2 fighters usually became close friends later
maybe I'm old fashioned in that way
You can't even define what an assault weapon is unless you listen to a pollutician or surf the web.

She's your speed.

Law

Omaha, NE

#33 Jul 25, 2012
swedenforever wrote:
Where's Ron Paul when I need him?
Unfortunately MIA.

“Now thats a tin hat!”

Since: Oct 07

Blue Ridge Mountains

#34 Jul 30, 2012
swedenforever wrote:
<quoted text>
The issue is that guns make it easier to kill so therefore if they get into the hands of a murderer..He/She can harm more people..and when you factor into assault weapons, its just not wise to give anyone access to fully automatic weapons
Also, if we all have guns and I'm a criminal, I'd be like Zimmerman kill first and lie to the police
No one died when Clinton lied
Lots of people died when Obama and Holder lied.

Mexican and US.

The issue is that people kill people.

You seem to have no problem with that if you can only make the criminals work harder at killing.

Normal people just want to stop the criminal.

And since you cannot prevent this from happening, the common sense solution is to arm the victims. Only they can stop the criminal.

Why do you like to see victims disarmed?

“Now thats a tin hat!”

Since: Oct 07

Blue Ridge Mountains

#35 Jul 30, 2012
swedenforever wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not against ownership for others, that's their choice but if I can vote an assault weapon ban-I'd do it yesterday..I grew up in a gun free house and when we were young we wrestled or punched until it was over not this cowardly weapon crap..and the 2 fighters usually became close friends later
maybe I'm old fashioned in that way
Um, it is the criminals who do most of the killing in this country, and it is the criminals that are mostly killed.

Since that is pretty much only happening with black kids, no one in the mainstream media cares. They do seem to care that hundreds of white folks are killed by predators each year. They seem unable to understand how often an armed citizen has stopped the killing before it becomes headline news.

This is an excellent example of how it usually happens in this country. The cops wish they were this safe around innocents.
I bet you "feel" grandpa should have just karate chopped the two young thugs, and kept his dangerous gun at home.

Now, if you want to let some stranger kick your ass, go ahead.

I will just shoot them if they attack me.

“Now thats a tin hat!”

Since: Oct 07

Blue Ridge Mountains

#36 Jul 30, 2012
Law wrote:
<quoted text>And yet you can't come up with many crimes committed with full-autos.
I know of one, it happened in the gun control mecca of the US, CA.

Back in the 90's

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_...

Amazing how the idiots never realized the two guns were illegally purchased (made after 1986)

So Ca passed a law bannign magazines more than ten rounds.

Even though the bad guys had illegal magazines.

With their illegal guns.

They somehow felt that passing a law restriting the right of law abiding citizens would help.

What is wrong with those people?

“Constitutionist/ SAF”

Since: Mar 08

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#37 Jul 30, 2012
swedenforever wrote:
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I'm not against ownership for others, that's their choice but if I can vote an assault weapon ban-I'd do it yesterday..I grew up in a gun free house and when we were young we wrestled or punched until it was over not this cowardly weapon crap..and the 2 fighters usually became close friends later. maybe I'm old fashioned in that way
You're an idiot who coud never fight his way from a flash mob of twenty. Probably only one young male could beat your ass with his fists.

Tell us how the old females are to wrestle or punch until it's over.

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#38 Aug 25, 2012
This country has had more shooting incidents in the last decade than Swe,Den,Nor,Fin combined

and public education? Finland is the #1 or #2 in the world

http://neatoday.org/2010/10/07/how-finland-re...

“Now thats a tin hat!”

Since: Oct 07

Blue Ridge Mountains

#39 Aug 25, 2012
swedenforever wrote:
This country has had more shooting incidents in the last decade than Swe,Den,Nor,Fin combined
and public education? Finland is the #1 or #2 in the world
http://neatoday.org/2010/10/07/how-finland-re...
Hmm, Germany has draconian gun laws, yet of the 5 worst school shootings in Europe over the past decade, 3 have happened there.

Your gun control did not work there.

In Norway, where it is almost impossible to get a gun, a man killed over 70 helpless victims in a place your law said he could not have a gun at.

You gun control did not work there.

IN the theater in Colorado, they had a sign on the door banning guns, and the gunman walked right on in with guns. And slaughtered all of those that did obey the law.

In the UK, where guns have been banned for years, and they are on an ISLAND, they have seen the number of guns in illegal hands go from 1.5 million to 3 million.
You gun ban did not work there.

Australia has a virtual gun ban, yet a shooter slaughtered 10 there on 2010.

Your gun ban did not work.

Your gun laws only make me a helpless victim.

What is wrong with you people that you advocate that?

Maybe you and I have a different definition on what "gun laws" are supposed to do, but if you want me to even think about giving up a right, you had best have a solution that actually works!

Since: Jul 11

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#40 Aug 25, 2012
ZigmunnDroid wrote:
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Hmm, Germany has draconian gun laws, yet of the 5 worst school shootings in Europe over the past decade, 3 have happened there.
Your gun control did not work there.
In Norway, where it is almost impossible to get a gun, a man killed over 70 helpless victims in a place your law said he could not have a gun at.
You gun control did not work there.
IN the theater in Colorado, they had a sign on the door banning guns, and the gunman walked right on in with guns. And slaughtered all of those that did obey the law.
In the UK, where guns have been banned for years, and they are on an ISLAND, they have seen the number of guns in illegal hands go from 1.5 million to 3 million.
You gun ban did not work there.
Australia has a virtual gun ban, yet a shooter slaughtered 10 there on 2010.
Your gun ban did not work.
Your gun laws only make me a helpless victim.
What is wrong with you people that you advocate that?
Maybe you and I have a different definition on what "gun laws" are supposed to do, but if you want me to even think about giving up a right, you had best have a solution that actually works!
fyi-I'm a Swedish American with ties to Norway, and we only have a ban on assault weapons..

"According to the Swedish Shooting Sport Association (Svenska skyttesportförbundet), most of the licence holders are members of the Home National Guard or members of the military who engage in shooting competitions in their spare time."

"And no new licenses are being issued. The fact that Swedish championships in submachine guns exist is a holdover from the Armed Forces. It's the only category we have that's automatic, and it's on its way out," he said.

“Now thats a tin hat!”

Since: Oct 07

Blue Ridge Mountains

#41 Aug 26, 2012
swedenforever wrote:
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fyi-I'm a Swedish American with ties to Norway, and we only have a ban on assault weapons..
"According to the Swedish Shooting Sport Association (Svenska skyttesportförbundet), most of the licence holders are members of the Home National Guard or members of the military who engage in shooting competitions in their spare time."
"And no new licenses are being issued. The fact that Swedish championships in submachine guns exist is a holdover from the Armed Forces. It's the only category we have that's automatic, and it's on its way out," he said.
Thanks for that little tidbit.

Any comment on why the shooters always pick an area to kill in where guns ARE banned?

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