Border Drones Fly Into Fight Over Imm...

Border Drones Fly Into Fight Over Immigration

There are 75 comments on the National Public Radio story from Jun 11, 2013, titled Border Drones Fly Into Fight Over Immigration. In it, National Public Radio reports that:

A Predator drone operated by U.S. Customs and Border Protection's Office of Air and Marine taxis for a flight over southern Arizona near the Mexican border on March 7 from Fort Huachuca in Sierra Vista, Ariz.

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Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#24 Jun 12, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Illegal Crossings Up 9%...
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2014 IS EVERYTHING: Obama to Attend Three Democratic Fundraisers TODAY...but but but he will pivot to jobs just any year now.
up 9% from when? from when they shut down completely when the economy tanked and there were no jobs for them?

solve the problem, don't treat the symptom..

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#25 Jun 12, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>up 9% from when? from when they shut down completely when the economy tanked and there were no jobs for them?
solve the problem, don't treat the symptom..
I think it's 9%, since the House republican's legislated to stall our economic recovery, and all to make the black President look bad.....or something...lol....

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#28 Jun 12, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Illegal Crossings Up 9%....
Sources, please.

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#29 Jun 12, 2013
GulchGeek wrote:
<quoted text>Sources, please.
By LIZ PEEK, The Fiscal Times
June 12, 2013
While Americans anxiously scan their gizmos for signs of e-surveillance, thousands of illegals continue to jump the fence at our borders undetected.


Increasingly, it looks like the bipartisan push for immigration reform may founder if the Obama administration cannot convince Congress – and especially Republicans – that our borders are secure. Are GOP hold-outs being obstructionist, or are they right to question the White House’s reassurances about ongoing illegal immigration?

RELATED: 21 Surprising Facts About Illegal Immigration

Republicans are demanding that in return for providing a path to citizenship for the eleven million immigrants in the country illegally – what skeptics call “amnesty”– the Obama administration must guarantee a certain level of security along our borders.

Read more at http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2013/06...

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#30 Jun 12, 2013
Eighthman wrote:
Some problems are too tough for The President to solve, evidently.
Not this one....but, by all means, keep up the manufactured outrage, as long as possible....As i am getting healthier in this market.....hugs.....

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#31 Jun 12, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Illegal Crossings Up 9%...
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2014 IS EVERYTHING: Obama to Attend Three Democratic Fundraisers TODAY...but but but he will pivot to jobs just any year now.
Obama deported more in three years,....than Bush did in two terms.....remember that from the election, you can't transend?.....

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#32 Jun 12, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>By LIZ PEEK, The Fiscal Times
June 12, 2013...
Your referenced article provides no backup for its headline claim, "Illegal Crossings Up 9 Percent."

In one place it states, "...where DHS claimed 100 percent operational control, 10 percent of the illegal crossings were never caught."

It later states, "They [the GAO] point out that total apprehensions across the southwest border actually increased from over 327,000 in fiscal 2011 to about 357,000 in 2102."

Are we to extrapolate that since 357,000 CAUGHT in 2012 reflects a nine percent increase over the 2011 figure, the ten percent 'never caught' constant also increased nine percent? If that's true, what's so shocking or surprising? I think the story is just nitpicking.

If you don't agree that the nine percent claim is otherwise unsupported by the story, show us where it's supported.

About The Fiscal Times, an online-only publication founded in 2010: "The publication received its initial funding from Peter G. Peterson, founder of the Peter G. Peterson Foundation and a billionaire investment banker, who has long advocated deficit reduction and reduced social welfare program expenditures." (per Wikipedia).

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#33 Jun 12, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Obama deported more in three years,....than Bush did in two terms.....remember that from the election, you can't transend?.....
June 16, 2012

Washington (CNN)-- In an election-year policy change, the Obama administration said Friday it will stop deporting young illegal immigrants who entered the United States as children if they meet certain requirements.

The shift on the politically volatile issue of immigration policy prompted immediate praise from Latino leaders who have criticized Congress and the White House for inaction, while Republicans reacted with outrage, saying the move amounts to amnesty -- a negative buzz word among conservatives -- and usurps congressional authority.

Under the new policy, people younger than 30 who came to the United States before the age of 16, pose no criminal or security threat, and were successful students or served in the military can get a two-year deferral from deportation, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said.

It also will allow those meeting the requirements to apply for work permits, Napolitano said, adding that participants must be in the United States now and be able to prove they have been living in the country continuously for at least five years.

Now, about those deportations.....

Since: Mar 11

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#34 Jun 12, 2013
Bama Yankee wrote:
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June 16, 2012
Washington (CNN)-- In an election-year policy change, the Obama administration said Friday it will stop deporting young illegal immigrants who entered the United States as children if they meet certain requirements.
The shift on the politically volatile issue of immigration policy prompted immediate praise from Latino leaders who have criticized Congress and the White House for inaction, while Republicans reacted with outrage, saying the move amounts to amnesty -- a negative buzz word among conservatives -- and usurps congressional authority.
Under the new policy, people younger than 30 who came to the United States before the age of 16, pose no criminal or security threat, and were successful students or served in the military can get a two-year deferral from deportation, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said.
It also will allow those meeting the requirements to apply for work permits, Napolitano said, adding that participants must be in the United States now and be able to prove they have been living in the country continuously for at least five years.
Now, about those deportations.....
the number still hasn't changed...
NoMoreUSA

Woodleaf, NC

#35 Jun 12, 2013
Let's just hope these drones are armed, and the pilots that pilot them have standing order to attack anything or anyone crossing our borders illegally.

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#37 Jun 12, 2013
NoMoreUSA wrote:
Let's just hope these drones are armed, and the pilots that pilot them have standing order to attack anything or anyone crossing our borders illegally.
It isn't my intention to be insulting, but I have to ask.

What fantasy world do you live in?

Those drones won't be armed. And if Obama has his way, the border guards won't be either.

http://kleinonline.wnd.com/2012/08/08/obamas-...

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#38 Jun 13, 2013
During its 28 years of existence, there were 125 confirmed shooting deaths by Soviet border guards at the Berlin wall. That's about 4.5 per year. Along the US-Mexico border, there have been 15 shooting deaths by the US Border Patrol in the past three and a half years. That, too, comes out to about 4.5 deaths per year. Ugly, but true. And the amazing part is that few Americans want to get their heads around what this does to our international image and relations.
Penne Pasta

Tucson, AZ

#39 Jun 13, 2013
It's gotten so bad here along the border, I have learned a bit of Urdu just to survive.

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#40 Jun 13, 2013
GulchGeek wrote:
During its 28 years of existence, there were 125 confirmed shooting deaths by Soviet border guards at the Berlin wall. That's about 4.5 per year. Along the US-Mexico border, there have been 15 shooting deaths by the US Border Patrol in the past three and a half years. That, too, comes out to about 4.5 deaths per year. Ugly, but true. And the amazing part is that few Americans want to get their heads around what this does to our international image and relations.
Would'nt you say, one wall is 300 times longer or 2,000 times longer, than the other? Ugly but true, eh? BTW, what is this point about?

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#42 Jun 13, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Obama deported more in three years,....than Bush did in two terms.....remember that from the election, you can't transend?.....
Yes Obama has deported more criminals........why not all illegals. You see illegal criminals can't vote or get a manufactured identify card to get a voter card.
onceuponatime

Moss Point, MS

#43 Jun 13, 2013
GulchGeek wrote:
During its 28 years of existence, there were 125 confirmed shooting deaths by Soviet border guards at the Berlin wall. That's about 4.5 per year. Along the US-Mexico border, there have been 15 shooting deaths by the US Border Patrol in the past three and a half years. That, too, comes out to about 4.5 deaths per year. Ugly, but true. And the amazing part is that few Americans want to get their heads around what this does to our international image and relations.
So you believe that there is a comparison to a government keeping people inside their territory to do their bidding, as was the purpose of the Berlin Wall, to a government keeping people out of their country due to the fact that they have not bothered with the process of legal entrance, and many because of nefarious intent. Not to mention the sheer magnitude of the numerical differences between the two.
As far as our image is concerned, the number of other countries worldwide that would permit the illegal flow across their borders, even of a much smaller magnitude than we are now experiencing, is pretty much zero.
So far, the responses to this topic have been a scathing rebuke of the educational system of these United States.

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#45 Jun 13, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Would'nt you say, one wall is 300 times longer or 2,000 times longer, than the other? Ugly but true, eh? BTW, what is this point about?
My point was in the last sentence of that post, which seems to have gone over your head, so preoccupied as you were with some notion of *permissible killings per mile.*

According to your response, you feel that a certain number of killings by US border agents are justifiable and okay, such figure corresponding to the US-Mexico border length. Thus, since our 1,969 mile border is twenty times the length of the 96 mile-long Berlin Wall (not the 300:1 or greater ratio you suggested), we can feel alright about what we are doing unless our kill rate exceeds ninety UAs per year (that's 4.5x20). But since we want look sincere in waving the banner of Freedom, maybe set a kindlier, gentler average annual limit at 50? Then, when we face international criticism, we can cry, "But the Russians killed twice as many!"

As demonstrated by this and your failure to explain the "Illegal Crossings Up 9%..." statement which I addressed you about, you do a lot of rising and hollering with very weak legs to stand on. Perhaps you're just too busy with typing up 20,000/year Topix posts to take time to actually think about what you write.

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#46 Jun 13, 2013
onceuponatime wrote:
<quoted text>
So you believe that there is a comparison to a government keeping people inside their territory to do their bidding, as was the purpose of the Berlin Wall, to a government keeping people out of their country due to the fact that they have not bothered with the process of legal entrance, and many because of nefarious intent. Not to mention the sheer magnitude of the numerical differences between the two.
As far as our image is concerned, the number of other countries worldwide that would permit the illegal flow across their borders, even of a much smaller magnitude than we are now experiencing, is pretty much zero.
So far, the responses to this topic have been a scathing rebuke of the educational system of these United States.
You're correct: it is not an exact comparison, but what both have in common is the killing of economic or political refugees. Your own 'education' may fall a little short in the area of international diplomacy, image-building, and the repercussions - both subtle and overt - from going about this immigration problem with what likely appears in most other parts of the world as a big, ugly stick.

Consider this matter in a more worldly head-space, such as the general world view if South Korean patrols began killing starving North Koreans to keep them from crossing into the vastly wealthier south. Or if any wealthy country (other than the US) was actually killing economic refugees in their efforts to keep them out. Fed the brute facts along with normal tweakings and distortions of national politics/prejudices/cultural sensibilities, the general opinion among most nations is not kind to such policies.

But then, to those for whom solutions are found through might, guns and bomb-sights, I'm just some dumb, naive cluck whistling into the wind.

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#47 Jun 14, 2013
Penne Pasta wrote:
It's gotten so bad here along the border, I have learned a bit of Urdu just to survive.
I had to learn farsi... the Iranians, you know.

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#48 Jun 14, 2013
My apology for getting 'Go Blue Forever' conflated with another poster. Last paragraph of my response as well as much of my ire expressed to 'Go Blue Forever' was under the mistaken impression that he/she had also authored post #32 by 'Le Jimbo.'

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