3rd recruit dies during basic at Fort Jackson basic training

Oct 28, 2008 Full story: Stars and Stripes 358

A third soldier in about a month has died during basic combat training at Fort Jackson, S.C. Pvt.

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anonymous

Allentown, PA

#27 Aug 7, 2009
gchs wrote:
i when there in may. thats crazy three have died in one cycle what for.
not surprising. i was there in july. the drill sgt. down there seriosly don't care about the pvt.s safty. there have been severl cases of rape and negligent homicide that were brought to my attaintion in the cycles prior to mine. and don't even get me started on the suicide attempts. my estimate is thatr they were in the low hundreds.
drake

Alexandria, VA

#28 Aug 10, 2009
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text> not surprising. i was there in july. the drill sgt. down there seriosly don't care about the pvt.s safty. there have been severl cases of rape and negligent homicide that were brought to my attaintion in the cycles prior to mine. and don't even get me started on the suicide attempts. my estimate is thatr they were in the low hundreds.
It also hot in Iraq also. They also had rapes in Iraq on some base camps as well. So you point is??? This isn't new in the military. The military has crime just like civilian life. You will have theft, rapes, sucides, and yes, murders. No, I don't condone the actions of misbehavior but you and other people that post are in some sort of illusion that boot camp is suppose to be easy. The military isn't easy and isn't suppose to! Drill SGTs do care. Because you want to be buddies with them and show you are equal with them well....that ain't happening. Let me ask you this...does all of your teachers care about you? Do all your SO called friends care about you? Most likely NOT! Wake up...its called LIFE. Also, those who are attempting suicide most likely had problems WELL before they joined the Army. Try looking back in there childhood life. Its so easy to point a finger at the Govt for weak azz parents that failed to discipline there children and when kids come from f-cked up homes. As a matter of fact...the same kids you are taling about that are attemping suicide are unstable and messed up homes. You mean to tell me that soldiers come to basic and attempt suicide because its hard? Please...spare me! Again...look at there homes before they came to basic. Why don't they just live the civilian life get jobs and start paying bills. Let's see if they can handle the stresses of adult life. If they are attempting suicide at Fort Jackson...wait until they go to Iraq!!!! These kids are unstable and came from unstable homes. Don't blame the govt. blame the parents or the broken homes they came from.
TRUTH SEEKER

United States

#29 Aug 13, 2009
I am a veteran. Spent six years in the Army and two years IRR. One deployment to Iraq. Basic training wasn't the easiest thing to go thru, but the experience is what got me thru combat. It's a sad thing that these kids died...it's always sad when a soldier dies...in training or down range, but it is the cost of being a soldier. I have a picture of me on my desk right now that I sent back to my wife when I was in Iraq. IN the picture I was holding a big themometer....the arrow was two inches passed the one hundred twenty degree mark. It's hot there. These privates that are in basic training really don't know what hot is...

Truth Seeker
drake

Fort Belvoir, VA

#31 Aug 14, 2009
TRUTH SEEKER wrote:
I am a veteran. Spent six years in the Army and two years IRR. One deployment to Iraq. Basic training wasn't the easiest thing to go thru, but the experience is what got me thru combat. It's a sad thing that these kids died...it's always sad when a soldier dies...in training or down range, but it is the cost of being a soldier. I have a picture of me on my desk right now that I sent back to my wife when I was in Iraq. IN the picture I was holding a big themometer....the arrow was two inches passed the one hundred twenty degree mark. It's hot there. These privates that are in basic training really don't know what hot is...
Truth Seeker
Excellent point! However, those folks think a trip to basic training is suppose to be like going to college. As I stated before, its easy to point the finger at the Army or military, but when will parents take responsibility and take the physcial fitness issue up with school systems that took PE out of there programs. Take the damn video games out of there kids hands and make them go out to play. Stop them from eating McDonalds, Pizza and other process foods. But of course the Army is responsible for kids that physically weren't in shape period. Who's fault is that again??
Justice

United States

#32 Aug 14, 2009
Drake you know we are gay ..we look good on our picture..We look like cool gay punks and too cute..
http://www.keithboykin.com/arch/2006/06/12/
drake

Fort Belvoir, VA

#33 Aug 15, 2009
Justice wrote:
Drake you know we are gay ..we look good on our picture..We look like cool gay punks and too cute..
http://www.keithboykin.com/arch/2006/06/12/
Did you get kicked out of the Army because you were gay Joe Jr.? Sorry to bust your bubble, but using different usernames from Charolette, NC ain't cool.
1SGJM

San Antonio, TX

#34 Aug 16, 2009
Wow I can't believe a officer has anything to say about Enlisted troops! You don't know what it is like to be in the trenches with 18yr old kids who are scared for their lives during battle! As a platoon Sergeant in a Infantry Division I have earned a Purple Heart for saving lives while you Officer pukes send them to die as you make bogus battle plans from your comfy tents at HQ! These kids are not being trained to the standard that I was trained to back in my basic training years! We were tougher mentally and physically! Today we need to use some of the billions of dollars spent on a BOGUS war and Invest in modern day science and technology to enhance the knowledge of the Drill Sgt and the Private! Bottom Line: Sleep Deprivation, De-Hydration, and Fear spells Disaster for young soldiers catapulted into a WAR! I have spent the last 17 years in the trenches with America's children and to all the Parents that read this: I care for them as if they were my own! They will not die on MY WATCH! "TRAIN TO SAVE" Hooah!
1SGJM

San Antonio, TX

#35 Aug 16, 2009
For the record:> I always was taped and measured because I did not pass the Army Height and Weight Standard! Never scored under a 280 on my APFT and my body fat percentage has never been over 18 percent! I am 225 pounds at 5"10"! So I can't blame their deaths on them being fat! I was a football player that joined the Army so the little fat that I had turned into Muscle because my Drill Instructors 17 years ago realized that each soldier was different and needed to be pushed to a "certain level"! For me the physical and mental challenges were easy and it motivated me to help others that may have been lacking in specific areas! We must train our Drill Instructors to a Higher Standard to recognize the individuality of each PVT. that is directly under their supervision! If we are "an Army of One" then if 1 of us fails, we all fail! This is what I instill into the young men and women that I have the privledge of training today at Ft.Benning, GA!
TeresaSmith

United States

#36 Aug 16, 2009
My daughter, 26 years old, is there right now! After working anf going to college every since she graduated she has decided to do this! I am very proud of her and she is all hyped! She is in EXCELLECT shape and she runs and works out every day! She said there is a bunch of BS going on there between the girls, all wanting to be the "boss" once you are in there there is no boss but the army! there are a bunch of immature kids going in there, hopefully they come out a better adults!
drake

Alexandria, VA

#37 Aug 17, 2009
1SGJM wrote:
For the record:> I always was taped and measured because I did not pass the Army Height and Weight Standard! Never scored under a 280 on my APFT and my body fat percentage has never been over 18 percent! I am 225 pounds at 5"10"! So I can't blame their deaths on them being fat! I was a football player that joined the Army so the little fat that I had turned into Muscle because my Drill Instructors 17 years ago realized that each soldier was different and needed to be pushed to a "certain level"! For me the physical and mental challenges were easy and it motivated me to help others that may have been lacking in specific areas! We must train our Drill Instructors to a Higher Standard to recognize the individuality of each PVT. that is directly under their supervision! If we are "an Army of One" then if 1 of us fails, we all fail! This is what I instill into the young men and women that I have the privledge of training today at Ft.Benning, GA!
Top...you are comparing a appple and an orange. First, if you are 18% body fat that means you have some muscle mass. Read the report...these kids had a lot of body fat! I blame the parents and the generation of video games. Go ahead...I challenge you to compare body fat mass of kids of today vs of those from the 70's & 80's and you will see there is a big difference. Go ahead...look it up yourself. The kids today do less and less physcial activities. This is due to parents lack of pushing it and the school systems that have taken PE out of the schools systems period.

Bottomline, soldiers have been using the same PT test for so long. This three soldiers deaths weren't determined in a PT test. No one can blame the military for there condition that took 17 plus years to develop. This issue is much greater and it starts at home with putting down the damn video games, and stop feeding kids pizza and McDonalds four/five days a week.
drake

Alexandria, VA

#38 Aug 17, 2009
1SGJM wrote:
For the record:> I always was taped and measured because I did not pass the Army Height and Weight Standard! Never scored under a 280 on my APFT and my body fat percentage has never been over 18 percent! I am 225 pounds at 5"10"! So I can't blame their deaths on them being fat! I was a football player that joined the Army so the little fat that I had turned into Muscle because my Drill Instructors 17 years ago realized that each soldier was different and needed to be pushed to a "certain level"! For me the physical and mental challenges were easy and it motivated me to help others that may have been lacking in specific areas! We must train our Drill Instructors to a Higher Standard to recognize the individuality of each PVT. that is directly under their supervision! If we are "an Army of One" then if 1 of us fails, we all fail! This is what I instill into the young men and women that I have the privledge of training today at Ft.Benning, GA!
In addition, The Army of one slogan is BS. I get taped all the time. I an 6'2 235lbs. Be all you can be is the answer. Before I became an officer I was an NCO and yes I was a Army Reserve Drill SGT on the trails in the 80's. I can appreciate your "kindler/Gentler approach" that you feel Drill SGTs should take. The Army has been functioning for over 200 plus years and has had the same standard of one. Physcial fitness standard has a huge range. What do you think these kids would do in Iraq walking around with 35% additional pound on in 125 degree tempature? Look at each soldier individual is the wrong answer. In that case we are now running a day care.
mom of 68W

Livingston, TN

#39 Aug 17, 2009
drake, Thank you for your service to all who have and will serve . Something you said has really rubbed me the wrong way in an earlier post you talked about children being brought up in a trailer home like that made kids bad??? How the heck does that make them bad or is that a thing to be ashamed of?? I guess its better to have a brick house where mom and dad work 24/7 to pay for it while t.v raises the child?? I have two children raised them both in a trailer, where I was able to stay home husband worked I was there for them in everway a mother could be. I just think that was a awful slam to say that because the kids are raised in a trailer they can't amount to anything?? I agree military needs to be tough real life isn't easy by any means, military or just everday life I just did'nt like your statement. I also have a child in military who went to ft.knox for basic and according to him it was tough but made him a better soldier . If you were'nt drafted then who should complain no one was forced to sign and don't cry about what you did or how many times you life was in danger all knew going in! it was Military and many join to get the gi bill travel the world well war comes with those things. "Just my two cents"
drake

Alexandria, VA

#40 Aug 17, 2009
mom of 68W wrote:
drake, Thank you for your service to all who have and will serve . Something you said has really rubbed me the wrong way in an earlier post you talked about children being brought up in a trailer home like that made kids bad??? How the heck does that make them bad or is that a thing to be ashamed of?? I guess its better to have a brick house where mom and dad work 24/7 to pay for it while t.v raises the child?? I have two children raised them both in a trailer, where I was able to stay home husband worked I was there for them in everway a mother could be. I just think that was a awful slam to say that because the kids are raised in a trailer they can't amount to anything?? I agree military needs to be tough real life isn't easy by any means, military or just everday life I just did'nt like your statement. I also have a child in military who went to ft.knox for basic and according to him it was tough but made him a better soldier . If you were'nt drafted then who should complain no one was forced to sign and don't cry about what you did or how many times you life was in danger all knew going in! it was Military and many join to get the gi bill travel the world well war comes with those things. "Just my two cents"
First of all, I don't recall anything I said about a trailer home. Please copy and paste my posting because I am coming up empty with that commment.
drake

Alexandria, VA

#41 Aug 17, 2009
mom of 68W wrote:
drake, Thank you for your service to all who have and will serve . Something you said has really rubbed me the wrong way in an earlier post you talked about children being brought up in a trailer home like that made kids bad??? How the heck does that make them bad or is that a thing to be ashamed of?? I guess its better to have a brick house where mom and dad work 24/7 to pay for it while t.v raises the child?? I have two children raised them both in a trailer, where I was able to stay home husband worked I was there for them in everway a mother could be. I just think that was a awful slam to say that because the kids are raised in a trailer they can't amount to anything?? I agree military needs to be tough real life isn't easy by any means, military or just everday life I just did'nt like your statement. I also have a child in military who went to ft.knox for basic and according to him it was tough but made him a better soldier . If you were'nt drafted then who should complain no one was forced to sign and don't cry about what you did or how many times you life was in danger all knew going in! it was Military and many join to get the gi bill travel the world well war comes with those things. "Just my two cents"
I am confused...where did I post putting down someone specifically living in a trailer? Please post where I posted that statement.
momof68w

Livingston, TN

#42 Aug 17, 2009
post 12 ........ did I read it wrong or were you talking about what a child is raised in?? I would also like to add my parents were straight up God fearing spare the rod spoil the child type, and I still got out and did things I should not have did they also could not control ever bite of food I put in my mouth. YES! without a doubt parents have become inablers for children to grow up lazy and lax but at the same time try giving your children a good old fashion whipping or put them to doing what alot of us had to do growing up and child services which last I checked was goverment ran will come take your kids and put you in jail.!you have a right to refer to "punk parents " if thats your outlook on it I think the military is at fault as well why did they accept these young adults if they were'nt healthy enough standard wise??? It's many things in this system that fails not just bad parenting as I said before thats just my two cents the whole big world we live in has got so outta whack hard to point the finger at any one enemy.
drake

Alexandria, VA

#43 Aug 18, 2009
momof68w wrote:
post 12 ........ did I read it wrong or were you talking about what a child is raised in?? I would also like to add my parents were straight up God fearing spare the rod spoil the child type, and I still got out and did things I should not have did they also could not control ever bite of food I put in my mouth. YES! without a doubt parents have become inablers for children to grow up lazy and lax but at the same time try giving your children a good old fashion whipping or put them to doing what alot of us had to do growing up and child services which last I checked was goverment ran will come take your kids and put you in jail.!you have a right to refer to "punk parents " if thats your outlook on it I think the military is at fault as well why did they accept these young adults if they were'nt healthy enough standard wise??? It's many things in this system that fails not just bad parenting as I said before thats just my two cents the whole big world we live in has got so outta whack hard to point the finger at any one enemy.
Yes, you read post #12 wrong. I was posting to a racist indivdiual. Please read it again and who I responded to with the racist remarks which has nothing to do with the thread.

Second, yes I did refer parents as "punk azz" because today's parents don't do what the last generation parents did. Child protection services doesn't have a thing to do with instilling standards for your kids. Today's kids do not excrises and the parents don't cook and bringing home Pizza and eating processed foods don't help.

Also, the Army has always taken or allowed kids with a little boddy fat over the requirement. The theory is by the time that kid leaves basic training they will lose 10-15lbs in an eight week period. After reviewing the three cases each kid slightly over weight. Nothing wrong with that. This goes on all the time in the Army with kids slightly over weight. And yes, you can control what you kids eat. The problem is parents have lost sight. We have become a country of over weight people eating processed foods and foods that are not health.

Here is the truth a study was conducted by Univ of Georgia on children phsycial fitness. They took 300 kids and study there physical fitness. They had 300 kids stand in place and touch there ankles. Only 44% of the kids could touch their toes. The study included 11-17 year olds. This is SAD! I am 44 years old and I can touch my toes with no problem.

Bottm-line what the study is saying is our children are not in shape and are physically unfit. As I stated before, it starts at home and second the public school system which has taken it out of there programs due to cost. Parents need to stand up to the school system on this issue.

Finally, the deaths of three kids was not the Army's fault. Two of the three deaths are under further investigaion. One of the kids autopsy report indicated that the kid was taking a Dietary Supplement to lose weight which was a contributing factor to his death. The other child they believe was on some sort of supplement as well but still underinvestigation.

So...is the Army the blame for kids taking supplements? The fact is taking any kind of dietary supplement in the heat doesn't work.
drake

Alexandria, VA

#44 Aug 18, 2009
momof68w wrote:
post 12 ........ did I read it wrong or were you talking about what a child is raised in?? I would also like to add my parents were straight up God fearing spare the rod spoil the child type, and I still got out and did things I should not have did they also could not control ever bite of food I put in my mouth. YES! without a doubt parents have become inablers for children to grow up lazy and lax but at the same time try giving your children a good old fashion whipping or put them to doing what alot of us had to do growing up and child services which last I checked was goverment ran will come take your kids and put you in jail.!you have a right to refer to "punk parents " if thats your outlook on it I think the military is at fault as well why did they accept these young adults if they were'nt healthy enough standard wise??? It's many things in this system that fails not just bad parenting as I said before thats just my two cents the whole big world we live in has got so outta whack hard to point the finger at any one enemy.
By the way...giving your children a simple azz whoopin isn't an issue. Again, we have parents allow the the laws to dictate what goes on in there home. I have four children and I wish one of them would called DHS for spanking them. They wouldn't even dare to do it. That is because they know the azz whoopins I give isn't abuse. And in many cases judges will side with you. I believe in physically discipline my children when need be. I have seen to many kids cusing at there parents, kids telling their what they won't/will do, and disrespecting their parents overall. This is all due to parents not taking control of there household and setting standards. In essences, these same kids join the Army and can't handle structure because they haven't had or little structure in there life. The min a Drill SGT gets in there face they want to cry or get out because they didn't expect it to be that way. This is sad!
momof68w

Livingston, TN

#45 Aug 18, 2009
I don't know where you are from but where I live DHS don't side with the parents I never really cared I still spanked mine when they needed it but let me give you an example ..... A girl I knew last year in her 20's mother of 1 lil girl around 11 months old the lil girl bit her and was making a habit of biting so the mother bit her back did'nt even break the skin but left a red mark someone called DHs and they came took that child it was on the local news here and she went to jail ...she worked as a cna in a nursing home she got fired and I think lost her license (cna that is). My children have thus far turned out well. the system has created parents who are afraid to spank. I had not saw about the supplements being taken Its sad sad that these deaths accured I can't start to know what it was like planning to go see your child graduate from basic and getting the call they had died there instead of in war where you know the chances are taken .......You have 4 kids so you well know the heartbreak these parents must feel and surely you understand that when we send our children to bootcamp we never expect to hear they died there and yes I know about the weight lost at bootcamp my son lost 25 pounds and he was'nt large to begin with he loves it and seems to have gave him pride in himself I did'nt want him to join begged him not to but I will support him in his choice how do you feel about the military waivering criminals?? "my son said at ait he was with a former drug dealer who had did some harsh things just wondering what your thoughts are on it.
drake

Alexandria, VA

#46 Aug 18, 2009
momof68w wrote:
I don't know where you are from but where I live DHS don't side with the parents I never really cared I still spanked mine when they needed it but let me give you an example ..... A girl I knew last year in her 20's mother of 1 lil girl around 11 months old the lil girl bit her and was making a habit of biting so the mother bit her back did'nt even break the skin but left a red mark someone called DHs and they came took that child it was on the local news here and she went to jail ...she worked as a cna in a nursing home she got fired and I think lost her license (cna that is). My children have thus far turned out well. the system has created parents who are afraid to spank. I had not saw about the supplements being taken Its sad sad that these deaths accured I can't start to know what it was like planning to go see your child graduate from basic and getting the call they had died there instead of in war where you know the chances are taken .......You have 4 kids so you well know the heartbreak these parents must feel and surely you understand that when we send our children to bootcamp we never expect to hear they died there and yes I know about the weight lost at bootcamp my son lost 25 pounds and he was'nt large to begin with he loves it and seems to have gave him pride in himself I did'nt want him to join begged him not to but I will support him in his choice how do you feel about the military waivering criminals?? "my son said at ait he was with a former drug dealer who had did some harsh things just wondering what your thoughts are on it.
My feelings on criminals allowed getting waiver to join the military. I say yes, with some restrictions of the crime. I do believe people should get a second chance. During the Vietnam War, this program was in place, "go to war or go to jail". On top of that, the military made them a better person. Again, depending on the crime, with restrictions, I am for it. When the Cold War ended the military stop taking kids without a GED. Now the Army has a pilot program (at FT. Jackson) taking kids without a high school diploma which they will get there GED while in the service. This program was succesful in during World War II and made these people productive citizens. My father was part of this program and become a product person in society after entering the military.
momof68w

Livingston, TN

#47 Aug 18, 2009
do you know where I could get the info of that program at ft.jackson I have a friend who son is 18 just now starting ged classes who wants to join the army.

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