Turkish court sentences military officers

[TRUTHlover]

Alparslan wrote:

baskalari okumasin diye turkce yaziyorum..deniz kuvvetlerinin komuta kademesine bu kadar kuvvetli saldirilar yapilmasinin nedeninin halkin beynine sokulmaya calisilan sacmaliklarla ilgisi yok.
Su anda ege denizinde 16 tane adamiz yunan isgali altinda ! bu amiralleri tutuklamadan boyle bir ihaneti gerceklestirmeye imkan yoktu.sayi hergun artiyor.
http://www.yg.yenicaggazetesi.com.tr/habergos...
http://www.ilk-kursun.com/haber/118684

Mate,
I am getting your point .... of course I have to admit I do not now all the details of these accusations ... however it is a fact that the military in Turkey was untouchable and please believe me I know what I am talking about .....

In a democracy this is unacceptable!!

The military should not see itself as part of the political scene, because they are not!!

What certainly does not mean they should not be respected and during important decision making eventually consulted ... however again they only should be able to express recommendations in such cases and not like it was in Turkey ... what ever the military said more or less it was a ‘final decision’….that could not be attacked by the civil government because there was always the possibility of a Coup d’etat ....

These were the realities in the last several decades.

I do not want to take away any of the glory of the Turkish Military and the high respect they deserve, nonetheless the military belongs into the barracks ....

Cheers,

[Alparslan]

TRUTHlover wrote:

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Mate,
I am getting your point .... of course I have to admit I do not now all the details of these accusations ... however it is a fact that the military in Turkey was untouchable and please believe me I know what I am talking about .....
In a democracy this is unacceptable!!
The military should not see itself as part of the political scene, because they are not!!
What certainly does not mean they should not be respected and during important decision making eventually consulted ... however again they only should be able to express recommendations in such cases and not like it was in Turkey ... what ever the military said more or less it was a ‘final decision’….that could not be attacked by the civil government because there was always the possibility of a Coup d’etat ....
These were the realities in the last several decades.
I do not want to take away any of the glory of the Turkish Military and the high respect they deserve, nonetheless the military belongs into the barracks ....
Cheers,

No! you are not getting my point.ergenekon ,balyoz,oda tv all these cases are same.
of course there was no plan of a coup by the Army!
junta planning with 340 people is really funny thing!
people with very low IQ's believe this kind of crap-theatre...

Then what's the real issue?the world's new power balance!

USA need send more military power to Asia-Pasific region! China is a real threat to the U.S!!
USA need loyal dogs in mideast!
Erdogan n Fetullah Gulen has pointed to the army as an obstacle to Zionist or American plans (the Greater Middle East Project).

[Alparslan]

look at the 11. CD !
year 2003 but documents written with Office 2007 programs..

our muslim zionists are not so smart people but fraud!

[Alparslan]

TRUTHlover wrote:

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Mate,
I am getting your point .... of course I have to admit I do not now all the details of these accusations ... however it is a fact that the military in Turkey was untouchable and please believe me I know what I am talking about .....
In a democracy this is unacceptable!!
The military should not see itself as part of the political scene, because they are not!!
What certainly does not mean they should not be respected and during important decision making eventually consulted ... however again they only should be able to express recommendations in such cases and not like it was in Turkey ... what ever the military said more or less it was a ‘final decision’….that could not be attacked by the civil government because there was always the possibility of a Coup d’etat ....
These were the realities in the last several decades.
I do not want to take away any of the glory of the Turkish Military and the high respect they deserve, nonetheless the military belongs into the barracks ....
Cheers,

i think your Turkish is good enough to read ..

http://www.odatv.com/n.php...

[Alparslan]

Yani bu kadar cok askerin,gazetecinin,ogretim uyesinin tutuklanmasini uyduruk darbe planlarina baglayabilmek icin ya cok saf olmak gerekir ya da ismini soylemek istemedigim baska birsey.

Apo itine ev hapsi verelim , ileri demokrasi icin yeni anayasa vs. safsatalariyla peslerinden giden kitleyi yavas yavas baska seylere hazirliyor bu zubukler.
bu kadar darbe yaygarasi, din somurusu arasinda ulkenin bir bolumunu ismini koymadan ozerklestirmeye baslarlarsa hic sasirmam.
Askerlerin cesitli duzmecelerle onurlariyla oynanmasi, iceriye tikilmasi vs. daha buyuk bir planin sadece ilk asamasi.

[Alparslan]

Biz buna Endonezya modeli diyoruz..

psikolojik savas asamasindan eylemli cokertme asamasina gecistir bu.

Yani Amerika komunizmle mucadele bahanesiyle Endonezya ozel kuvvetlerine bir suru kirli is yaptirdi gecmiste.
daha sonra endonezya basnindaki beslemeleriye bu olaylari bire bin katarak halka servis ettiler.
ordu o kadar cok asagilandi ki boluculerle mucadele azmi kalmadi.
Sonuc olarak sindirilen ,asagilanan ordu 2000 yilinda dogu timor'un bagimsizlik elde etmesine giden surece mudahale edemedi.

Turkiye ordusuna kurulan tezgahin arkasinda yine ayni kanli eller var.

bunlarin hepsi buyuk bir resmin parcasidir.

[Dander]

TRUTHlover wrote:

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Sincerely mate ....
I am sick of your crazy claim with the 'fake Jihad'....
For the 1001st time: Something like a 'fake Jihad' did not and does not exist!!!!
I read all your crazy claims re. the Fetva calling for Jihad .... these are all just your (pesonal) crazy, mentally sick interpretations and conclusions ....
The motivation on what the Fetva was based were justified ...
Cheers,

Turdlover
Imagine if the mobs demonstrating today were blessed with a FAKE JIHAD fatwa to finish all GAVURS.
CAN YOU IMAGINE?
But IT turk managed to get it done so successfully in 1915 that TR is 99.9% muslim today.

[Alparslan]

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/21547641.as...

bir de su rezalete bak!

sozde darbe planindaki sokak yok,emniyetli telefon yok, o tarhite tramvay yok,halk pazari yok.....

boyle bir tezgahi hazirlayan o.cocuklarinin belge diye sundugu seyler insan zekasina hakaretten baska birsey degil.

[AMAR]

Turkish Army is one of the most powerful army in the world.we are proud of our sold&#305;ers.Cos they fight not for money or etc.They f&#305;ght for the country.If they die,they become MARTYR.(not dead.
But they were some generals in the army.They didn't do their jobs.they interfere in politics for years.And they are punished.If one is gu&#305;lty,he is pun&#305;shed.(He may be the shepherd or the president)Because there is a democracy &#305;n TURKEY.I hope everbody do their job.NOT &#305;nsult

[CRN]

Beleive in Change;

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

[Akilli]

Alparslan wrote:

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military belongs into the barraks..does religion belong in politics ?

You destroyed him.

[Alparslan]

Akilli wrote:

<quoted text>You destroyed him.

Askeri bu kadar yipratmalarina izin vermeseydi bu halk,Fetullahcilarin kara propaganda amaciyla yumurtladiklari sacmaliklara tepki gosterilseydi ,bugun bu ihanete cesaret edilebilir miydi?
Bugun dokulen sehit kaninda zubukler kadar , zubuklere saksakcilik edenlerin de payi var.
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/21563028.as...

http://www.haberturk.com/gundem/haber/780011-...

[Alparslan]

Uslupsuz soylemlerle , sirf ofke kusarak birseyleri degistirmeye imkan yok.Ben de biliyorum.

Ama ulkeyi yonetenlerin yanlis politikalari yuzunden hergun onlarca sehit veriyorsak, ideolojilerine yenik duserek karsisindaki insanlari anlamamakta direten, abilerinden veya okuduklari boktan yayinlardan duyduklari sloganlari piskince tekrarlayan zevatin, asagidaki haber kanina dokunmuyorsa artik birseyler icin gec kalindigini bunlara anlatmaya cabalamak icin bile vakit cok gec bence.

http://www.haberturk.com/gundem/haber/779720-...

[TRUTHlover]

Alparslan wrote:

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i think your Turkish is good enough to read ..
http://www.odatv.com/n.php...

Evvet okudum ....

Now I can't make any comments regarding the evidence for this trial .... perhaps indeed it is faulty ... however it does not change anything on the facts regarding the Military in Turkey until 2005.

I love Turkey, I love the Turkish people and I can insure you: I love the Turkish Military as institution, furthermore I am not a supporter of AKP but I am also not against the AKP ... I am neutral towards any political Turkish party ... nonetheless it has to be remarked that since the AKP is in power the things in Turkey go better...

Did the time come to change them? Maybe ... because if one single party remains to long in power it becomes arrogant and ruthless against their political opponents .... but this is up to the Turkish people to decide not to me .... I stay with them what ever decision they will take!

Cheers,

[TRUTHlover]

Dander wrote:

<quoted text>Turdlover
Imagine if the mobs demonstrating today were blessed with a FAKE JIHAD fatwa to finish all GAVURS.
CAN YOU IMAGINE?
But IT turk managed to get it done so successfully in 1915 that TR is 99.9% muslim today.

a.) In the document you are taking about it is clear clarified who is the enemy of the empire .... and it states for everyone (simple) to understand that Christians who support and assist the Ottomans are NOT to be treated as enemies!!!

b.) In 1915 the religious ratio was certainly not 99.9% as you know, I even do not believe it is today.
There are many many reasons why the number of Christians decreased. The principal one's I already documented in large in other posts of mine.

Cheers,

[Dander]

TRUTHlover wrote:

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a.) In the document you are taking about it is clear clarified who is the enemy of the empire .... and it states for everyone (simple) to understand that Christians who support and assist the Ottomans are NOT to be treated as enemies!!!
b.) In 1915 the religious ratio was certainly not 99.9% as you know, I even do not believe it is today.
There are many many reasons why the number of Christians decreased. The principal one's I already documented in large in other posts of mine.
Cheers,

Turdlover
Therefore the Christian civilians who were set out for relocation were declared as ENEMY and the JIHADIST mobs were free to treat them accordingly and they did.
This behaviour did not differentiate those like my protestant village male folk who were not included in deportation either.
They were all butchered for refusing to convert if they wished to survive.
You may love the present Turkey but 100 years ago Ottoman muslim literacy rate was not even 5% and a JIHAD FATWA was all they needed to honour the Allah and Muhammed's name under the green banner.
IT turk regime knew what they were doing.

[BOZ-OK]

Dander wrote:

<quoted text>Turdlover
Therefore the Christian civilians who were set out for relocation were declared as ENEMY and the JIHADIST mobs were free to treat them accordingly and they did.
This behaviour did not differentiate those like my protestant village male folk who were not included in deportation either.
They were all butchered for refusing to convert if they wished to survive.
You may love the present Turkey but 100 years ago Ottoman muslim literacy rate was not even 5% and a JIHAD FATWA was all they needed to honour the Allah and Muhammed's name under the green banner.
IT turk regime knew what they were doing.

Shhh, Dander the liar clown;

Armenian relocation had nothing to do with the religion... Despite your pathetic tries to gain Christians' sympathy here, you were relocated due to your betrayal to your own state, your cowardly attacks to the Turkish army behind the war fronts and your attrocities towards the defendless Muslim civilians... Is this what is written in Bible? Jesust Christ is spitting on you guys from the heaven...

If you declare a "crusade" towards your neighbours, they kick your fat arse out of the country... Betrayal is punished everywhere on earth... Nice try of yours but again non-sense...

[Dander]

BOZUK it
Have you read Hasan Cemal yet?
Or you are too scared of Cemal Pasa's revenge on you if you did?

[Alparslan]

TRUTHlover wrote:

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Evvet okudum ....
Now I can't make any comments regarding the evidence for this trial .... perhaps indeed it is faulty ... however it does not change anything on the facts regarding the Military in Turkey until 2005.
I love Turkey, I love the Turkish people and I can insure you: I love the Turkish Military as institution, furthermore I am not a supporter of AKP but I am also not against the AKP ... I am neutral towards any political Turkish party ... nonetheless it has to be remarked that since the AKP is in power the things in Turkey go better...
Did the time come to change them? Maybe ... because if one single party remains to long in power it becomes arrogant and ruthless against their political opponents .... but this is up to the Turkish people to decide not to me .... I stay with them what ever decision they will take!
Cheers,

Turkiye'de tuvalet bekcisi bile yapilmayacak adamlar ulke yonetimine getirildi.
Amerikan menfaatlerine karsi cikan kuvvet komutanlari,subaylar,gazetecil er cezaevine tikildi.Haysiyetlerini Amerika'ya satmaya yuzlercen komutan cezaevine gonderilirken,yerlerine genc subaylarin saygi duymadigi kaypak,menfaatci tipler goreve getiriliyor.Bu moralle terorle mucadele etmeye imkan yok.

Do you know Where does the name of Ergenekon come from?Ergenekon is the name of a legendary valley in Turkish mythology.
Symbolizing the end of bad days for Turks!it's a kind of rebirth!
The Ergenekon operation = The U.S. supported civil junta.

[TRUTHlover]

Alparslan wrote:

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Turkiye'de tuvalet bekcisi bile yapilmayacak adamlar ulke yonetimine getirildi.
Amerikan menfaatlerine karsi cikan kuvvet komutanlari,subaylar,gazetecil er cezaevine tikildi.Haysiyetlerini Amerika'ya satmaya yuzlercen komutan cezaevine gonderilirken,yerlerine genc subaylarin saygi duymadigi kaypak,menfaatci tipler goreve getiriliyor.Bu moralle terorle mucadele etmeye imkan yok.
Do you know Where does the name of Ergenekon come from?Ergenekon is the name of a legendary valley in Turkish mythology.
Symbolizing the end of bad days for Turks!it's a kind of rebirth!
The Ergenekon operation = The U.S. supported civil junta.

a.) of course I know the Ergenekon story

b.) the Turkish military was always a 'good friend' of the US and without 'the silence' of the US there would have been no Coup E'tats possible in Turkey in the past!

c.) are (some) Turkish officers, senior and/or junior, wrongly accused? No idea ... I have too little detailed information about their individual cases....

d.) using this as an excuse in the fight against terror .... is a weak excuse!!! Not the entire military is accused of plotting against the government .... small part of the military ranks only ...let's be realistic .....

But again ..... I stay to my statement ..... Military belongs into the barracks NOT onto the political scene!

Cheers,