Obama gets it wrong, bayonets still used in the military

Oct 23, 2012 Full story: Washington Times 1,592

During tonight's final presidential debate, Gov. Mitt Romney and President Barack Obama sparred over the likely defense budget sequestration scheduled to happen later this year.

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the rest of us

Saint Paul, MN

#1662 Nov 19, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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AHHHHHH... poor wittle spoogebreath donglicker swallowed and swallowed and swallowed and the only thing he has to show for it is his stain Romney/Ryan T-shirt.
HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH!
The vilest leftist POS on all of topix......atta boy, bet mom would be proud!
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#1663 Nov 19, 2012
Eric Gustafson wrote:
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What is disturbing about the misinformation is that he seem to live in South Florida. It's clear he doesn't know any of the descendants of Cuba who now have children with dual citizenship America/Canadian, Those individuals can get a Canadian Passport and Fly into Cuba to visit relatives still in Cuba.
What is more disturbing and seems to go over your head is one can not have dual Indonesian/US citizenship when one is 18 years of age or older.

Generally, Indonesian citizens are those natural Indonesian people and those of other nationalities that are endorsed by the law as Indonesian citizens. The Indonesian nationality law does not recognize dual citizenship except for persons under the age of 18. After reaching 18 years of age individuals are forced to choose one citizenship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_natio...

So if he was 18 years old with an Indonesian passport he, by Indonesian law, voluntarily chose to become an Indonesian citizen.
Eric Gustafson

Newport News, VA

#1664 Nov 19, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
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No one said you can't have dual citizenship with another nation but Indonesia doesn't give passports to foreign nationals. They only give it to Indonesian citizens. To become an Indonesian citizen you must voluntarily give up your US citizenship and as I have pointed out and it should be quite obvious, Obama couldn't apply for aid as a foreign student if he was still a US citizen because the US doesn't give foreign aid to US students.Five million dollars and he won't take the challenge,seems obvious he is not who he claims to be.
This is pure speculation and there is no basic for you assumptions. This is nonsense distributed by the Conservative Stooge Tube and it's network of Propaganda outlets.

Some countries don't provide citizenship to Nationals of other Nations. That has nothing to do with the United States Laws. Obama's mother was an America Citizen, the status of his Citizenship is over by virtue his citizenship as is most of ours comes through is American Parent no matter where he lived, or was born in the World.

American women married to Saudi's, residing in Saudi Arabia once they have a child and that Child comes back to America for a visit before 14 maintains their American Citizenship.

If what you people suggest was true, no America in the Military would accept overseas assignment.
Eric Gustafson

Newport News, VA

#1665 Nov 19, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
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No one said you can't have dual citizenship with another nation but Indonesia doesn't give passports to foreign nationals. They only give it to Indonesian citizens. To become an Indonesian citizen you must voluntarily give up your US citizenship and as I have pointed out and it should be quite obvious, Obama couldn't apply for aid as a foreign student if he was still a US citizen because the US doesn't give foreign aid to US students.Five million dollars and he won't take the challenge,seems obvious he is not who he claims to be.
You know nothing about Indonesia Citizenship. You are repeating what you've heard from others who are equally as clueless about Citizenship in Indonesia.

I'm willing to bet you've never even researched this topic on the Indonesia Consulate's web site.

Indonesia does grant limited dual citizenship especially to children born in America of married couples.

Since: Feb 11

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#1666 Nov 19, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
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But you are a known liar
Not nearly well-known as you, donglicker: that is why slap the snot out of you every time you lift your head out of your boy friend's lap.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#1667 Nov 19, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
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But you are a known liar
You stated on another thread
I don't blame you for diverting.

I slapped the snot out of you when insisted a US citizen would lose his citizenship by filling out a form to get aid as a foreign student.

Never mind that the entire story was fabricated in the first place.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#1668 Nov 19, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
As of the latest data released on November 9, 2012, the total is 47.1 million. It was 32 million when Obama took office.
People didn't suddenly get hungry in January, 2008.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#1669 Nov 19, 2012
the rest of us wrote:
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The vilest leftist POS on all of topix......atta boy, bet mom would be proud!
Not too proud for your mom and $2.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#1670 Nov 19, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
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8 USC § 1481 - Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen;1
~stomp stomp stomp~

Obama is a Hawaiian, no matter how hard you stomp.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#1671 Nov 19, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization,
~stomp stomp stomp~

Do let us all know when you find that paperwork of him renouncing his US citizenship.

Since: Jul 12

Chester, VA

#1672 Nov 20, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
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Sure you care because you keep posting your argument.
8 USC § 1481 - Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of proof; presumptions
A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality—
(1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent, after having attained the age of eighteen years
Cornell University Law School
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1481
"....with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality-"

You have failed to show intent. It is the same still argument you were making last week. After a while it becomes indicative of your intelligence or lack thereof.

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#1673 Nov 20, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
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A US citizen doesn't apply for a passport in a foreign country that doesn't recognize dual citizenship(Indonesia) without "intending" to relinquish US nationality. One doesn't apply for foreign aid if one is still a citizen of the nation he is requesting aid from. Can an Israeli with dual citizenship apply for foreign aid from the US as an Israeli citizen and then apply for foreign aid from Israel as a US citizen? Obama couldn't apply for foreign aid since he was still a US citizen. Of course if he released his college records he could prove us Tea Baggers all wrong and collect five million dollars from Donald trump for his favorite charity, The Muslim Brotherhood.
Birther nutcase.
Mykrodick

Saint Paul, MN

#1674 Nov 20, 2012
Mykro wrote:
<quoted text>Birther nutcase.
Not too bright leftist slug
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#1675 Nov 20, 2012
Eric Gustafson wrote:
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This is pure speculation and there is no basic for you assumptions. This is nonsense distributed by the Conservative Stooge Tube and it's network of Propaganda outlets.
Some countries don't provide citizenship to Nationals of other Nations. That has nothing to do with the United States Laws. Obama's mother was an America Citizen, the status of his Citizenship is over by virtue his citizenship as is most of ours comes through is American Parent no matter where he lived, or was born in the World.
American women married to Saudi's, residing in Saudi Arabia once they have a child and that Child comes back to America for a visit before 14 maintains their American Citizenship.
If what you people suggest was true, no America in the Military would accept overseas assignment.


You are still missing the point. Any American citizen can lose his citizenship under certain circumstances.

How to Lose Citizenship in the U.S.
Make an oath of allegiance to a foreign nation in which the oath requires you to denounce your American citizenship. The United States allows its citizens to hold dual nationalities with any nation---that is, an American does not have to give up her citizenship if she becomes a citizenship of, say, Brazil, which, incidentally, allows dual nationality. However, other countries, such as Spain, do not allow dual nationalities. If an American were to naturalize and take an oath of Spanish citizenship, he would automatically, through required renunciation on voluntary acceptance of Spanish citizenship, lose his American citizenship. In cases where you must renounce your American citizenship in order to gain another, you voluntarily accept citizenship of that country and therefore voluntarily renounce that of the United States.
http://www.ehow.com/how_5663456_lose-citizens...

Indonesia, like Spain, does not allow dual citizenship. An Indonesian passport is proof of Indonesian citizenship and to become a naturalized Indonesian citizen one must renounce any other citizenship.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#1676 Nov 20, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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"....with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality-"
You have failed to show intent. It is the same still argument you were making last week. After a while it becomes indicative of your intelligence or lack thereof.


Was he forced to become an Indonesian citizen or was he forced to keep his Indonesian citizenship after he became 18 years of age or did he "intend" to keep his Indonesian citizenship which requires renouncing his US citizenship? Just how much "intent" is required to penetrate the bozone surrounding your head? Bozone is the substance surrounding ignorant people that stops bright ideas from penetrating.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#1677 Nov 20, 2012
Mykro wrote:
<quoted text>Birther nutcase.


Parasitic nutcase.

Since: Jul 12

Chester, VA

#1678 Nov 20, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
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You are still missing the point. Any American citizen can lose his citizenship under certain circumstances.
How to Lose Citizenship in the U.S.
Make an oath of allegiance to a foreign nation in which the oath requires you to denounce your American citizenship. The United States allows its citizens to hold dual nationalities with any nation---that is, an American does not have to give up her citizenship if she becomes a citizenship of, say, Brazil, which, incidentally, allows dual nationality. However, other countries, such as Spain, do not allow dual nationalities. If an American were to naturalize and take an oath of Spanish citizenship, he would automatically, through required renunciation on voluntary acceptance of Spanish citizenship, lose his American citizenship. In cases where you must renounce your American citizenship in order to gain another, you voluntarily accept citizenship of that country and therefore voluntarily renounce that of the United States.
http://www.ehow.com/how_5663456_lose-citizens...
Indonesia, like Spain, does not allow dual citizenship. An Indonesian passport is proof of Indonesian citizenship and to become a naturalized Indonesian citizen one must renounce any other citizenship.
You just don't get it. It does not matter if lies were told to the Indonesian's. They are not in charge of US citizenship. Was the intent to become an Indonesian citizen or was the intent to lose US Citizenship?

Lets not forger the FACT that your whole theory is based on a song and prayer with nothing of substance to back you up.

Since: Jul 12

Chester, VA

#1679 Nov 20, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
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Was he forced to become an Indonesian citizen or was he forced to keep his Indonesian citizenship after he became 18 years of age or did he "intend" to keep his Indonesian citizenship which requires renouncing his US citizenship? Just how much "intent" is required to penetrate the bozone surrounding your head? Bozone is the substance surrounding ignorant people that stops bright ideas from penetrating.
Enough intent to prove to a court of US law. And since he became a US Senator and a US President both of which require citizenship then the court is going to say his intent was not to give up his US citizenship.

Further, your claim on what is required to be an Indonesian citizen is based on current law which was recently changed. What was the law when President Obama turned 18?

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#1680 Nov 20, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
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Was he forced to become an Indonesian citizen or was he forced to keep his Indonesian citizenship after he became 18 years of age or did he "intend" to keep his Indonesian citizenship which requires renouncing his US citizenship? Just how much "intent" is required to penetrate the bozone surrounding your head? Bozone is the substance surrounding ignorant people that stops bright ideas from penetrating.
Romnesia is what all you birther nuts suffer from.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#1681 Nov 20, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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"....with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality-"
You have failed to show intent. It is the same still argument you were making last week. After a while it becomes indicative of your intelligence or lack thereof.
More importantly, if Obama applied for foreign aid for his education from the US how could he do so if he was still a US citizen? If he 'intended' to remain a US citizen and applied for aid as a foreign student, wouldn't that constitute fraud on his part? Hmm...

Retired U.S.Postal Worker Allen Hulton recently signed a sworn affidavit for the Maricopa County, Arizona Cold Case Posse convened by Sheriff Joe Arpaio, attesting under oath, to conversations with Mary Ayers, the mother of Bill Ayers. He made his testimony public in a three hour long taped interviewed on March 19th, 2012. Mr. Hutton, by signing an affidavit has subjected himself to laws regarding perjury, not something to be taken lightly as telling the truth is now for him a requirement of law.

His testimony states Mary and Tom Ayers, parents of the former Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers, were sponsoring Barack Obama as a foreign student, and financially supporting his education. Ayers and Obama later worked together in the Annenberg Challenge Project in Chicago as well as the Woods Fund of Chicago.
If Hulton is correct, and Obama was introduced to Hulton as a Foreign Student, this means Barack Hussein Obama would have been using a Foreign Passport from a nation that does not have dual citizenship to get and prove his foreign student status for entrance into Occidental College, Columbia, and later Harvard Universities. Because Hulton has signed an Affidavit, this cannot be disregarded as mere hearsay; it is instead evidentiary in nature.

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