Obama gets it wrong, bayonets still used in the military

Oct 23, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Washington Times

During tonight's final presidential debate, Gov. Mitt Romney and President Barack Obama sparred over the likely defense budget sequestration scheduled to happen later this year.

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Eric Gustafson

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That's true, Bush signed the 2007 Farm Bill, the Farm Bill authorizes the expenditure on Food Stamp Spending in America. Bush more than tripled Food Stamp Spending from what he inherited from Bill Clinton, The Farm Bill is only authorized by Congress and the President every 5 years.

Before 2001 when America was experiencing full employment, there were less than 4 Million people collection Cash Assistance, and less than 10 Million on Food Stamps in America.
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But you are a known liar
You stated on another thread that more people went on food stamps under Bush than under Obama. That is a lie. 14.7 million Americans went on food stamps in eight years under Bush. Over fifteen million more have gone on food stamps in less than four years under Obama.
As of the latest data released on November 9, 2012, the total is 47.1 million. It was 32 million when Obama took office.
Food stamps rolls have grown by nearly 50 percent-by more than 15 million recipients-under the Obama administration.
http://cnsnews.com/blog/ron-meyer/if-every-fo...
You lie so.
Eric Gustafson

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"intention of relinquishing United States nationality—"

A Citizens of the United States has to volunteer to renounce his or her citizenship in writing. There is no automatic revocation of American Citizenship.
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8 USC § 1481 - Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of proof; presumptions
A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality—
(1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent, after having attained the age of eighteen years
Cornell University Law School
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1481
Eric Gustafson

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downhill246 wrote:
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Indonesia does not recognize dual citizenship so your point is interesting but in this case,irrelevant. Jut saying.
Indonesia don't set American Immigration and Naturalization Law, it doesn't matter what. You have Americans who have dual Citizenship with Canada there living in Florida, they use their Canadian Passports for Travel back to Cuba where they still have family.

There are thousands of Caribbeans in Florida with Dual Citizenship.

Where are you getting your information. In the passage of the Code you are using it specifically lays out the individual has to provide intentions of renouncing his or her Citizenship

There is no automatic revocation of American Citizenship, not even the Courts can revoke an American Citizen, Citizenship.
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Eric Gustafson wrote:
There are Americans with duel citizenship living abroad who collect Social Security, why doesn't the reverse exist. There is no federal code that prevents such an arrangement, your statement is opinion. What is considered Foreign Aid that a Citizen from another State can apply for from America?
There are descendants of Cuban/Americans who have dual citizenship; American and Canadian, who go into Canada to fly to Cuba on a Canadian Passport.
Where did you get the information on Passports and Citizenship, it's completely wrong.
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No one said you can't have dual citizenship with another nation but Indonesia doesn't give passports to foreign nationals. They only give it to Indonesian citizens. To become an Indonesian citizen you must voluntarily give up your US citizenship and as I have pointed out and it should be quite obvious, Obama couldn't apply for aid as a foreign student if he was still a US citizen because the US doesn't give foreign aid to US students.Five million dollars and he won't take the challenge,seems obvious he is not who he claims to be.
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There are some Caribbean Nations that don't allow none Citizens to purchase Lands, So Caribbeans Natives who now have American Citizenship, maintain their Caribbean Citizenship and upon retirement build homes in the Caribbean and draw their pensions and Social Security living Abroad.

You have individuals who live in the Bahamas who travel back and forth from the islands to use their Medicare in Florida.

It doesn't appear you know a diverse group of individuals in Florida.
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AHHHHHH... poor wittle spoogebreath donglicker swallowed and swallowed and swallowed and the only thing he has to show for it is his stain Romney/Ryan T-shirt.
HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH!
The vilest leftist POS on all of topix......atta boy, bet mom would be proud!
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What is disturbing about the misinformation is that he seem to live in South Florida. It's clear he doesn't know any of the descendants of Cuba who now have children with dual citizenship America/Canadian, Those individuals can get a Canadian Passport and Fly into Cuba to visit relatives still in Cuba.
What is more disturbing and seems to go over your head is one can not have dual Indonesian/US citizenship when one is 18 years of age or older.

Generally, Indonesian citizens are those natural Indonesian people and those of other nationalities that are endorsed by the law as Indonesian citizens. The Indonesian nationality law does not recognize dual citizenship except for persons under the age of 18. After reaching 18 years of age individuals are forced to choose one citizenship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_natio...

So if he was 18 years old with an Indonesian passport he, by Indonesian law, voluntarily chose to become an Indonesian citizen.
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No one said you can't have dual citizenship with another nation but Indonesia doesn't give passports to foreign nationals. They only give it to Indonesian citizens. To become an Indonesian citizen you must voluntarily give up your US citizenship and as I have pointed out and it should be quite obvious, Obama couldn't apply for aid as a foreign student if he was still a US citizen because the US doesn't give foreign aid to US students.Five million dollars and he won't take the challenge,seems obvious he is not who he claims to be.
This is pure speculation and there is no basic for you assumptions. This is nonsense distributed by the Conservative Stooge Tube and it's network of Propaganda outlets.

Some countries don't provide citizenship to Nationals of other Nations. That has nothing to do with the United States Laws. Obama's mother was an America Citizen, the status of his Citizenship is over by virtue his citizenship as is most of ours comes through is American Parent no matter where he lived, or was born in the World.

American women married to Saudi's, residing in Saudi Arabia once they have a child and that Child comes back to America for a visit before 14 maintains their American Citizenship.

If what you people suggest was true, no America in the Military would accept overseas assignment.
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No one said you can't have dual citizenship with another nation but Indonesia doesn't give passports to foreign nationals. They only give it to Indonesian citizens. To become an Indonesian citizen you must voluntarily give up your US citizenship and as I have pointed out and it should be quite obvious, Obama couldn't apply for aid as a foreign student if he was still a US citizen because the US doesn't give foreign aid to US students.Five million dollars and he won't take the challenge,seems obvious he is not who he claims to be.
You know nothing about Indonesia Citizenship. You are repeating what you've heard from others who are equally as clueless about Citizenship in Indonesia.

I'm willing to bet you've never even researched this topic on the Indonesia Consulate's web site.

Indonesia does grant limited dual citizenship especially to children born in America of married couples.

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But you are a known liar
Not nearly well-known as you, donglicker: that is why slap the snot out of you every time you lift your head out of your boy friend's lap.

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downhill246 wrote:
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But you are a known liar
You stated on another thread
I don't blame you for diverting.

I slapped the snot out of you when insisted a US citizen would lose his citizenship by filling out a form to get aid as a foreign student.

Never mind that the entire story was fabricated in the first place.

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As of the latest data released on November 9, 2012, the total is 47.1 million. It was 32 million when Obama took office.
People didn't suddenly get hungry in January, 2008.

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The vilest leftist POS on all of topix......atta boy, bet mom would be proud!
Not too proud for your mom and $2.

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8 USC § 1481 - Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen;1
~stomp stomp stomp~

Obama is a Hawaiian, no matter how hard you stomp.

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A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization,
~stomp stomp stomp~

Do let us all know when you find that paperwork of him renouncing his US citizenship.

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downhill246 wrote:
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Sure you care because you keep posting your argument.
8 USC § 1481 - Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of proof; presumptions
A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality—
(1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent, after having attained the age of eighteen years
Cornell University Law School
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1481
"....with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality-"

You have failed to show intent. It is the same still argument you were making last week. After a while it becomes indicative of your intelligence or lack thereof.

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A US citizen doesn't apply for a passport in a foreign country that doesn't recognize dual citizenship(Indonesia) without "intending" to relinquish US nationality. One doesn't apply for foreign aid if one is still a citizen of the nation he is requesting aid from. Can an Israeli with dual citizenship apply for foreign aid from the US as an Israeli citizen and then apply for foreign aid from Israel as a US citizen? Obama couldn't apply for foreign aid since he was still a US citizen. Of course if he released his college records he could prove us Tea Baggers all wrong and collect five million dollars from Donald trump for his favorite charity, The Muslim Brotherhood.
Birther nutcase.
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<quoted text>Birther nutcase.
Not too bright leftist slug
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Eric Gustafson wrote:
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This is pure speculation and there is no basic for you assumptions. This is nonsense distributed by the Conservative Stooge Tube and it's network of Propaganda outlets.
Some countries don't provide citizenship to Nationals of other Nations. That has nothing to do with the United States Laws. Obama's mother was an America Citizen, the status of his Citizenship is over by virtue his citizenship as is most of ours comes through is American Parent no matter where he lived, or was born in the World.
American women married to Saudi's, residing in Saudi Arabia once they have a child and that Child comes back to America for a visit before 14 maintains their American Citizenship.
If what you people suggest was true, no America in the Military would accept overseas assignment.


You are still missing the point. Any American citizen can lose his citizenship under certain circumstances.

How to Lose Citizenship in the U.S.
Make an oath of allegiance to a foreign nation in which the oath requires you to denounce your American citizenship. The United States allows its citizens to hold dual nationalities with any nation---that is, an American does not have to give up her citizenship if she becomes a citizenship of, say, Brazil, which, incidentally, allows dual nationality. However, other countries, such as Spain, do not allow dual nationalities. If an American were to naturalize and take an oath of Spanish citizenship, he would automatically, through required renunciation on voluntary acceptance of Spanish citizenship, lose his American citizenship. In cases where you must renounce your American citizenship in order to gain another, you voluntarily accept citizenship of that country and therefore voluntarily renounce that of the United States.
http://www.ehow.com/how_5663456_lose-citizens...

Indonesia, like Spain, does not allow dual citizenship. An Indonesian passport is proof of Indonesian citizenship and to become a naturalized Indonesian citizen one must renounce any other citizenship.
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okb2 wrote:
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"....with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality-"
You have failed to show intent. It is the same still argument you were making last week. After a while it becomes indicative of your intelligence or lack thereof.


Was he forced to become an Indonesian citizen or was he forced to keep his Indonesian citizenship after he became 18 years of age or did he "intend" to keep his Indonesian citizenship which requires renouncing his US citizenship? Just how much "intent" is required to penetrate the bozone surrounding your head? Bozone is the substance surrounding ignorant people that stops bright ideas from penetrating.

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