China sends fighter jets into air def...

China sends fighter jets into air defense...

There are 80 comments on the The Washington Post story from Nov 28, 2013, titled China sends fighter jets into air defense.... In it, The Washington Post reports that:

In this Sept. 2, 2012 file photo, the survey ship Koyo Maru, left, chartered by Tokyo city officials, sails around Minamikojima, foreground, Kitakojima, middle right, and Uotsuri, background, the tiny islands in the East China Sea, called Senkaku in Japanese and Diaoyu in Chinese.

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It is so Amazing

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

#68 Dec 17, 2013
Fatboy wrote:
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Anti-stealth radar has to seek,track and give midcourse guidance,they are simply to big for jetfighters.
Furthermore the J-10B is equipped with IRST (infra-red search&track) no need forIRST if the j-10B would have anti-stealth radar.
here's a link about IRST.
Correct!....but the colouring is of no real importance.
Take Care!
Hi there again!

IMO an IRST can never be a substitute for an anti-stealth radar. The IRST was installed on both the J10 and J11 series were installed as a cost-effective solution. Since the long term objective is to export this aircraft to friendly nations and moreover the increase RCS due to the IRST will not really matter as the J10B is not a FGFA. The IRST despite its smaller dimension, a passive detection system and better angular resolution at short range is limited by its shorter range in comparison to RADAR. Its detection can easily attenuate by the change in atmosphere and weather.

This citation in the "People Daily" link provided by you is quite true and interesting.

U.S. military expert Richard Fisher recently pointed out that the J-10B is a so–called 4.5 generation fighter equipped with modern airborne technology and an advanced radar system, which is about to be delivered to the PLA Air Force.

Zhang JiGao disputed the term 4.5 generation. In contrast, he suggested that the current international criteria to classify generations are more applicable.

He pointed out that single combat is rare in modern warfare, and that the majority of cases now involve system combat and network operations, so that the combat capabilities of a fighter depend on many factors. "This does not mean that the optimization of an aircraft's radar, avionics and missile detection ranges are bound to improvements in operational performance."

Zhang Jigao added that further improvements to the performance of the J10 would focus on the aircraft's aerodynamic layout and mission systems, and the approach to maintenance.“Aircraft development requires constant optimization and improvement," he said,"and our modifications will be comprehensive rather than being confined to a specific area."
It is so Amazing

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

#69 Dec 17, 2013
Is Prof. Wang Xiaomo talking about the latest generation KJ3000 AWACS which was unveiled recently and has rendered F22 and F35 all useless?

"China next-gen early warning aircraft 'best in the world'
People's Daily Staff Reporter 2013-07-22

China's next generation early warning aircraft will be able to SURPASS all of its global competitors, according to Wang Xiaomo, vice president of the China Academy of Electronics and Information Technology, in an interview with the party-run People's Daily.

With the advent of the US airborne early warning and control system during the Gulf War of 1991, the PLA Air Force realized that early aircrafts with similar capabilities as the US E-2 and E-3 models are crucial in any potential conflict over the Taiwan Strait, East China Sea and South China Sea.

Wang spent his entire life mounting advanced radars on PLA aircraft. In total, he has developed three airborne radars for China. During an exercise in northwestern China in 2012, two fighters from the PLA Air Force received orders for the first time from an early warning aircraft.

Wang's life was tough as an young engineer living in the mountain regions, he said. During this period in his life — coinciding with the internal struggle of the Cultural Revolution — China also faced external pressure from the Soviet Union and the United States. Wang was happy to have served his nation, even though the living conditions were extremely poor at that time, he said.

Things began to change after the collapse of the Soviet Union. China could no longer rely solely on ground radar systems to defend its territory from foreign invaders, Wang said. China has 9.6 million square kilometers of land and 3 million square kilometers of water, making the expanse coverage only by early warning aircraft.

Wang has personally trained 18 experts in developing China's early warning aircraft. While most of the aircraft and control systems are designed for the PLA Air Force and Navy, many of them can be exported to nations friendly towards China, Wang said.

Although China is still unable to challenge the US in this field, Wang said that his 'China Dream' is to develop a radar for the best early warning aircraft in the world."
It is so Amazing

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

#70 Dec 17, 2013
Fatboy wrote:
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Correct!....but the colouring is of no real importance.
The important thing is the correct ID Numbers,so far the J-10B has been seen with the ID No
1031,1032,1033,1034,1035 they are all preproduction numbers.
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As for now ONLY one J-10B uses the WS-10 engine and that's ID No 1035!
1031 1032 1033 1034 uses AL-31 Engine.
Here's some photos for comparison
1031 with AL-31 Engine
1035 with WS-10 Engine
Here's a video to show you what i mean with the correct ID numbers.
In this video you will see 4 J-10A with ID No 613,614,617 and 622 all equipped with AL-31.
They are the No 13,14,17,22 planes delivered from batch No6.
At 1:45 you will see a J10B being towed in,it has the ID No 1035...Yup That's the one with the WS-10 Engine!
Here is also an rather fresh interview with Zhang Jigao, deputy chief designer of the J-10 fighter,here he talks about the new J-10B.
However if i would have responded to you 2 weeks ago,the above would have been all i posted.....but something has happend the last two weeks.....
This is my Christmas present to you!:o)
Hint! check the J10Bs ID No!!
Here's a short video.
Take Care!
I am not disputing you but would refrain from speculating on this as I failed to understand why CFTE need so many pre-production prototypes of J10B in PLAAF color for testing.

IMO the 1031 is in fact the 101 before they painted it and 1035 being the later one with a WS10B engine.

Here is a picture of the production model with ID no. 103 which also IMO is in fact the repainted 1033. I believed 1035 could be the pix of the latest J10B but there could be others as well. Those planes in PLAAF color are not pre-production models and may be just undergoing pre-delivery inspection and testing.

Justtypehttp://i.imgur.com/CPC Suzldotjpg

Just as there were rumors at one stage that the J10B will not be mass manufactured as they were merely testbed for advanced avionics, electronic countermeasures, etc for the FGFA J20 still under testing only. They were saying that Chengdu may be skipping the J10B in favor of stealth J10C.

In fact rumor has it once again that the J10C has already may built and will be test flying by early 2014.

Thank fro your Xmas present but I have already seen everyone of all of them.
gengis khan

Palmerston North, New Zealand

#71 Dec 17, 2013
why don't you commies fly these pieces of crap over the Senkaku, and see how long they last against the Japanese?
Like lambs to the slaughter.
Commies know they do not have air superiority over Taiwan, what can they do against Japan???,,lol
Taiwanese

Chatswood, Australia

#72 Dec 18, 2013
gengis khan wrote:
why don't you commies fly these pieces of crap over the Senkaku, and see how long they last against the Japanese?
Like lambs to the slaughter.
Commies know they do not have air superiority over Taiwan, what can they do against Japan???,,lol
gengis khan ni ma de ri ben gui zi, you little japanese devil telling lies again. you are just like your evil murderous ancestors killing millions of innocent Asians and still unrepentant over the evil deeds.

Shameful japan is always lying, stealing , killing, raping others without conscience, such an animal and parasite to the civilised world.
Andrez Lopez

El Paso, TX

#73 Dec 18, 2013
China has already set the example that she would force down any plane that invade her air defense zone as she one did with an American spy plane.

The American plane was forced to land on the island province of Hainan.

The plane was allowed to return to Okinawa after it was stripped out all instruments and apparatus.

So Japanese beware. What if the Chinese shoot down a Japanese plane after all the warnings. Japan will retaliate? Go to war with China? Ask us, Americans, to fight the Chinese for them?

Forget all the above and swallow the bitter pill to learn a lesson.
China HUMILIATED by CCP

Surrey, Canada

#74 Dec 18, 2013
gengis khan wrote:
why don't you commies fly these pieces of crap over the Senkaku, and see how long they last against the Japanese?
Like lambs to the slaughter.
Commies know they do not have air superiority over Taiwan, what can they do against Japan???,,lol
True!
It is so Amazing

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

#75 Dec 18, 2013
China HUMILIATED by CCP wrote:
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True!
What is true?

She is a offspring of a LUNATIC RAPIST nips and you are just another slurring MADCAP who thinks that Canada is just another island to the south of India! Hahahahah
gengis khan

Palmerston North, New Zealand

#76 Dec 18, 2013
Andrez Lopez wrote:
China has already set the example that she would force down any plane that invade her air defense zone as she one did with an American spy plane.
The American plane was forced to land on the island province of Hainan.
The plane was allowed to return to Okinawa after it was stripped out all instruments and apparatus.
So Japanese beware. What if the Chinese shoot down a Japanese plane after all the warnings. Japan will retaliate? Go to war with China? Ask us, Americans, to fight the Chinese for them?
Forget all the above and swallow the bitter pill to learn a lesson.
Hey Loopy.. who forced who down, here's some facts for you, forget Xinhua man,, use it for toilet paper
a U.S. Navy EP-3 reconnaissance aircraft operating above the waters of the South China Sea was struck by a People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) interceptor jet. The U.S. pilot, Shane Osborn (who has gone on to be a successful politician in Nebraska), managed to keep the crippled plane in the air while the crew members hastily tried to destroy as much of the payload as possible – classified equipment and materials related to the aircraft’s surveillance mission. Unfortunately, due to the in extremis situation, the crew was only able to partially complete this task before an emergency landing was made at an airfield on Hainan Island.
The Chinese Communist Aircraft which instigated the attack disintergrated into a 1000 pieces, Western experts wondered at how it could even fly at all.
It is so Amazing

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

#77 Dec 18, 2013
Need not to bother with the details as the busybody Gangeskunt was busy then washing her undercunt that day in the Ganges to purify her sins as the dead corpses passes by! She even drank the water to purify her soul, she says and claimed that Ganges is the cleanest river in the world.

The EP3 SPYPLANE incidence was a story on how USA BLUNDERED BADLY! this US SPY plane was flying more than 10,000 miles off USA and with 25 miles off China Hainan Island and claimed China has NO RIGHT to intercept her! That was the BIGGEST JOKE then!

1. The brave US personal who defend the plane and prevent the Chinese military from entering the plane was practically thrown off from the the plane entrance into the tarmac.

2. USA was totally HUMILIATED that time as the USA President was forced to APOLOGIZE on TV to China.

3. Following that China has learn all the tricks they needed to learn from USA and today USA complaint about China is literally taken as a joke as USA set the precedent for others to follow.

4. Next the condition set for the plane and crew to be release was that the plane can only leave in pieces and that is to be disassembled and flown out of China on China's term.

5. Only an idiot, a shameless descendant of rapist nip fathers (How many of them were there that day and that is why her mother resent her as she represent the humiliation of being raped ) now illegally residing in NZ would like to talk about something that is so HUMILIATING for the rightist Americans and USA!

I have enough fun for the moment! Hahahahah

bon viol!

Since: Jun 12

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#78 Dec 19, 2013
AZN wrote:
<quoted text>It is so Amazing does have a good point.
In all probability you could even be the Indian troll from Canada's west coast posting under a different name.
You rants are never supported by any credible links.
Your location is always hidden and your quickness to insult another race and other people's mothers is a quality commonly found with Indian posters.
Besides you tend to lie a lot, which is another Indian quality.
Racist China mentality strikes again, you have to make me out as some race that is considered less than you, you can not take for what I say I am because your own racist Chinese teach you that I would be better than you if I was so the only way you can fight is making yourself believe that I am Indian, filipino or Japanese. Please go to China + Pakistan vs. India + Russia, who WINS thread post number 844 by me and you will see this
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Don't believe me and you find time between raping young girls on buses? Read it for yourself on wikipedia.
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I am not Indian but you keep trying my small brain damaged yellow toothed hatchback monkey.

Since: Jun 12

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#79 Dec 19, 2013
AZN wrote:
<quoted text>It is obvious from your substance-less rants that it's you who is suffering from small penis complex.
China will rise whether you and the rest such as you like it or not.
Actually I meant small body structures so its you who is the dirty minded dickhead......lol

Since: Jun 12

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#80 Dec 19, 2013
wai o wokai nui wrote:
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Amazingly, I agree with SOME of what you wrote. We do need to focus on our debt and Hillary is a devil woman. Her husband is never going to hold power again (thank God), as we have a Constitution that limits the terms of our Presidents (again, thank God). He might work though his wife if we're crazy enough to make her President. That would be God-awful!
Amazing how so very few people know how bonds work, China can not just get one day and go to the Fed to ask for all its money like you would for a bank. Bonds are payments promised at future dates, they can be resold because everyone wants US Bonds but you can not go to Mr. Ben Bernanke and say "Sir I want all my money." No you can't, it doesn't work that way.

Now don't lose hope, I suggest that you and NOT so Amazing go to the library pick up a couple of books and read something.

Since: Jun 12

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#81 Dec 19, 2013
Andrez Lopez wrote:
China has already set the example that she would force down any plane that invade her air defense zone as she one did with an American spy plane.
The American plane was forced to land on the island province of Hainan.
The plane was allowed to return to Okinawa after it was stripped out all instruments and apparatus.
So Japanese beware. What if the Chinese shoot down a Japanese plane after all the warnings. Japan will retaliate? Go to war with China? Ask us, Americans, to fight the Chinese for them?
Forget all the above and swallow the bitter pill to learn a lesson.
Please you are talking about an incident that happened once in 2001, that super "spy" was a bulky slow military communications surveillance plane the size of a Boeing 737 that was only caught because it crossed paths with 2 jet fighters which had no idea the huge bulky plane was flying in China's air space.

I remember this unarmed plane that FYI is not built for combat at all totalled one of the Chinese equivalent of the Soviet MiG-21 jet fighters that were leading it to Hainan.

China has specifically mentioned the ADZ is an early warning area not an extention of territory stupid man, your own government has said it will not attack planes that enter it because that is not how an ADZ works.

Chinese bloggers using proxies pretending to be in places they aint always seem to talk about things they have no idea about.
Fatboy

Hallstahammar, Sweden

#82 Dec 29, 2013
It is so Amazing wrote:
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Hi there again!
IMO an IRST can never be a substitute for an anti-stealth radar."
If the J-10B would have some anti-stealth device there would be no need for IRST...but the J-10B is equipped with IRST....so exactly my point.
Nothing called anti-stealth radar on the J-10s.
It is so Amazing wrote:
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I am not disputing you but would refrain from speculating on this as I failed to understand why CFTE need so many pre-production prototypes of J10B in PLAAF color for testing.
The upgrades made on J-10B compared to J-10A is quite significant,so the number of pre-production planes is indeed pretty normal.
It is so Amazing wrote:
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They were saying that Chengdu may be skipping the J10B in favor of stealth J10C.
Yet another internet rumour....most likely.
No one would ever consider to convert a 4thGen platform to a 5thGen stealth platform,
However when/if the J-10C reaches delivery status one of the new features will most likely be a lower radar signature.
It is so Amazing wrote:
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In fact rumor has it once again that the J10C has already may built and will be test flying by early 2014.
This is a rumour that is most likely correct,some Chinese fanboys says that the maiden flight already has been done.
It is so Amazing wrote:
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Thank fro your Xmas present but I have already seen everyone of all of them.
Those Pictures was only 3-5 Days old when i posted them....you're an updated man Amazing.

What those Pictures indicates is that J-10B is now ready for delivery and the first batch will be delivered to PLAAF early 2014.
Furthermore the first batch of J-10Bs (most likely between 24-40 planes) will use the AL-31 Engine.

Happy New Year to you and your family!
jing

San Jose, CA

#83 Jan 16, 2014
hope it be well
Andrez Lopez

El Paso, TX

#84 Jan 21, 2014
Too much talk is a waste of time.

Try to provoke the Chinese to shoot down one of your planes and see what happens.

You will just have to swallow the bitter pill because nothing will happen.

It is time to heed what the Chinese say.
Toni

Hangzhou, China

#85 Mar 1, 2014
Taiwanese wrote:
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ni ma de ri ben gui zi, you little sick japanese devil.
Gengis Khan the sick man in Asia to be get rid of in the first place before his sickness spread from NZ.
totally agree. Go to hell,all ri ben gui zi.
idiotsgreedychin ksunited

Seattle, WA

#86 Mar 8, 2014
"Beijing (AFP)- China's foreign minister on Saturday said his country would vigorously defend its sovereignty, declaring there was "no room for compromise" with Japan over territory or history." Stupid greedy chinks of course you need to defend every inch of your territories your 200 mile eez no more no less or else the other countries might bomb and set you back with everything you got. You're greed will get you in a lot of trouble but not only that you evil chinks will drag many countries into your greedy territorial grab.
idiotsgreedychin ksunited

Seattle, WA

#87 Mar 8, 2014
Andrez Lopez wrote:
China has already set the example that she would force down any plane that invade her air defense zone as she one did with an American spy plane.
The American plane was forced to land on the island province of Hainan.
The plane was allowed to return to Okinawa after it was stripped out all instruments and apparatus.
So Japanese beware. What if the Chinese shoot down a Japanese plane after all the warnings. Japan will retaliate? Go to war with China? Ask us, Americans, to fight the Chinese for them?
Forget all the above and swallow the bitter pill to learn a lesson.
So who the shit andres lopez suppose to be a big shot spokesman in chief of the USA everyone knows there is already a in chief of everything but it's never you coward lowlife druggie.

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