'So help me God' optional in Air Forc...

'So help me God' optional in Air Force honor oath

There are 75 comments on the WIS-TV Columbia story from Oct 27, 2013, titled 'So help me God' optional in Air Force honor oath. In it, WIS-TV Columbia reports that:

A 20-year-old waiter provided exemplary service at an Overland Park Italian restaurant, but his anti-gay customers refused to tip him because of his sexual orientation.As word has spread through social A waiter provided exemplary service at an area restaurant, but his anti-gay customers refused to tip him because of his sexual orientation.

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#49 Oct 28, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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Because, if you are an atheist, you would be lying - thereby negating the oath.
Is that what you want?
Oaths are not required in Court. One can "Promise and Affirm" instead. The same applies to the Civil Oath. It's always been so.

“and how does this effect you?”

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#50 Oct 28, 2013
For Sure wrote:
<quoted text>Get lost bull dyke
Respect your elders little kid.

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#51 Oct 28, 2013
fr For Sure:

>Get lost bull dyke<

And I thought that *I* had that title!!!

Kimberling, he definitely DOES need a timeout, and an early bedtime.
Jame L

Salt Lake City, UT

#52 Oct 28, 2013
For Sure wrote:
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You queers are fking IDIOTS. If you don't believe in God, then what does it matter to say the words?. If you go to court and testify under oath as you have to, do you refuse? I think not. Just another way Queers and atheist, as most are the same, are working to tear down this great nation, with the help of Obama.
Your dad loved to suck on my meat, especially when it was all covered with his 'chocolate'

“and how does this effect you?”

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#55 Oct 28, 2013
Pattysboi wrote:
fr For Sure:

>Get lost bull dyke<

And I thought that *I* had that title!!!

Kimberling, he definitely DOES need a timeout, and an early bedtime.
I have been called that a couple of times. I'm not really sure what it means, but from the context I kinda do, I guess, lol!

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#56 Oct 28, 2013
For Sure wrote:
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Get lost bull dyke
She's more of a man than you could ever hope to be honey.
BS Detector

Sherman Oaks, CA

#58 Oct 28, 2013
TomInElPaso wrote:
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You, quite obviously know nothing about Colorado Springs and the religious rights history of involvement with the Air Force Academy.
Anything you say, Tom.(And in case you're clueless about that too, it was sarcasm.)
BS Detector

Sherman Oaks, CA

#60 Oct 28, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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And The Bible does not say that the Apostles saw ghosts at all.
Thomas was a disciple, not an Apostle, and he, along with the other disciples, except Judas Iscariot, saw the LIVING Christ. NOT a ghost. That is why Jesus said to Thomas that he should put his fingers in the nailholes in Jesus' hands, to prove that He was NOT a Ghost, but rather LIVING flesh and blood.
Now you may choose to believe or disbelieve this story. BILLIONS of people, including myself have chosen to believe it. Makes no difference to me whether you believe it or not. But after you die, you may regret not believing when you find yourself spending an ETERNITY in Jersey City.
I don't believe your bible. And how many millions of nutjoibs believe in islam and its child molesting "prophet'

On the other hand, the idea of spending eternity is New Jersey scares the hell out of me!

From "Religious Tolerance.org " http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_prac2.h... #
"During the 20th century prior to 1990, the popularity of Christianity had been stable in the U.S. About 87% of adults identified themselves as Christians. The country then experienced a major change. Significant numbers of American adults began to disaffiliate themselves from Christianity and from other organized religions. By 2008, the percentage of Christians had reached 76% and is believed to be continuing its decline."
BS Detector

Sherman Oaks, CA

#61 Oct 28, 2013
"Christianity started out in Palestine as a fellowship; it moved to Greece and became a philosophy; it moved to Italy and became an institution; it moved to Europe and became a culture; it came to America and became an enterprise." Sam Pascoe, American Scholar.

Christian faith groups:
"One source estimates that there are 34,000 separate Christian groups in the world."
(Both quotes from Religious Tolerance .org http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_prac2.h...

One might wonder if christianity were so universal that they can't get their act together re beliefs and rituals. I had previously read that there were 365 recognized demoninations that called themselve christian.

Here's one more.(same source)

Islam: The second largest
world religion...and growing.

About Islam:

"Estimates of the total number of Muslims range from 0.7 to 1.8 billion worldwide and 1.1 to 7 million in the U.S. 3 We accept the best estimate of the world's Muslim population as 1.57 billion, concluded by the Pew Forums. About 23% of all people on Earth follow Islam. The religion is currently in a period of rapid growth.

"Christianity is currently the largest religion in the world. It is followed by about 33% of all people -- a percentage that has remained stable for many decades. If current trends continue, Islam will become the most popular world religion sometime in the mid-21st century."

At that point, gay rights will be at serious risk.

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#62 Oct 28, 2013
Kimberling wrote:
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I have been called that a couple of times. I'm not really sure what it means, but from the context I kinda do, I guess, lol!
If we reply to them, we DO NOT include their words in the reply. It makes it difficult for the moderators to delete their abusive posts. You just perpetuate their abusiveness in you response.

“and how does this effect you?”

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#65 Oct 29, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>If we reply to them, we DO NOT include their words in the reply. It makes it difficult for the moderators to delete their abusive posts. You just perpetuate their abusiveness in you response.
Okay, got it :)

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#66 Oct 29, 2013
Kimberling wrote:
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Okay, got it :)
<hugs>
Thats Right

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#68 Oct 29, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>If we reply to them, we DO NOT include their words in the reply. It makes it difficult for the moderators to delete their abusive posts. You just perpetuate their abusiveness in you response.
What's this we sh!t? You have a gerbil up your a:ss or something?

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#69 Oct 29, 2013
BS Detector wrote:
<quoted text> Anything you say, Tom.(And in case you're clueless about that too, it was sarcasm.)
Take some of your own medicine and just admit you were wrong. If you're man enough.

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#70 Oct 29, 2013
For Sure wrote:
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That says it all [email protected], thanks.
Roflmao
It certainly does doesn't it.
Thats Right

United States

#71 Oct 29, 2013
TomInElPaso wrote:
<quoted text>It certainly does doesn't it.
You stupid fking [email protected] are hilarious.

“Equality First”

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#72 Oct 29, 2013
For Sure wrote:
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You queers are fking IDIOTS. If you don't believe in God, then what does it matter to say the words?. If you go to court and testify under oath as you have to, do you refuse? I think not. Just another way Queers and atheist, as most are the same, are working to tear down this great nation, with the help of Obama.
I went to court as a witness. I advised the lawyer who called me that I could not take the oath "so help me god". I was sworn in without those words. Three times, as a matter of fact. Three different people suing the same individual.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#73 Oct 29, 2013
Pattysboi wrote:
fr For Sure:
>Get lost bull dyke<
And I thought that *I* had that title!!!
Kimberling, he definitely DOES need a timeout, and an early bedtime.
You just made me spit laugh coffee.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#74 Oct 29, 2013
BS Detector wrote:
"Christianity started out in Palestine as a fellowship; it moved to Greece and became a philosophy; it moved to Italy and became an institution; it moved to Europe and became a culture; it came to America and became an enterprise." Sam Pascoe, American Scholar.
Christian faith groups:
"One source estimates that there are 34,000 separate Christian groups in the world."
(Both quotes from Religious Tolerance .org http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_prac2.h...
One might wonder if christianity were so universal that they can't get their act together re beliefs and rituals. I had previously read that there were 365 recognized demoninations that called themselve christian.
Here's one more.(same source)
Islam: The second largest
world religion...and growing.
About Islam:
"Estimates of the total number of Muslims range from 0.7 to 1.8 billion worldwide and 1.1 to 7 million in the U.S. 3 We accept the best estimate of the world's Muslim population as 1.57 billion, concluded by the Pew Forums. About 23% of all people on Earth follow Islam. The religion is currently in a period of rapid growth.
"Christianity is currently the largest religion in the world. It is followed by about 33% of all people -- a percentage that has remained stable for many decades. If current trends continue, Islam will become the most popular world religion sometime in the mid-21st century."
At that point, gay rights will be at serious risk.
Oh, I was hoping your quotes would say that religion was dying out. Alas, it's getting WORSE??? Oh, great. By the mid 21st Century, I'll be pushing 100 so, it won't be any worry to me anymore anyway. I just feel for those up and coming, however. Like my goddaughter. She just turned 22 on Sunday. I worry about HER future.
Thats Right

United States

#75 Oct 29, 2013
RalphB wrote:
<quoted text>I went to court as a witness. I advised the lawyer who called me that I could not take the oath "so help me god". I was sworn in without those words. Three times, as a matter of fact. Three different people suing the same individual.
Funny, I've never heard that. I'll have to check on that.

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