Marine Sgt. Gary Stein dismissed after Obama criticism on Facebook

Apr 6, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: WJLA-TV Arlington

A military board has recommended dismissal for a Marine sergeant who criticized President Barack Obama on his Facebook page, including allegedly putting the president's face on a "Jackass" movie poster.

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Aphelion

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NamVet wrote:
By the way the oath we take when sworn in to the service of this country DOES NOT contain the phrase that we can't "bad mouth" the commander-in-chief or any other officer in the service. Ask all of the officers that have been relieved of duty because the unit they commanded "Bad Mouth" them.
FALSE. For a claimed Vet you are very unfamilar with the UCMJ.

Article 134, known as the catch-all article, makes criminal those acts of speech that are prejudicial to good order and discipline or that could bring discredit upon the Armed Forces. This is pretty broad and explains why it is often called the catch-all article. If your chain of command thinks your political involvement has affected your unit or the military, you could be punished under this article
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Did this Marine disobey any order from his lawful superiors?
No!
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Something does not sit right about that, if he served honorably for 8 years and earned those benefits years before he said something bad about Obama should he really loose them? Especially since he is not an officer.
No different that if you were fired for cause from a corporation. All corporate funded benefits and retirement would be forfeit.
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Yea, meantime Obama continues to lie and cheat and steal, to trash the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, to crush our freedoms and rights, and to ignore the law and the will of the people. Everybody should be speaking out against this arrogant, obnoxious, narcissistic, left-wing Dictatorcrat who pretends to be Commander-in-Chief of real men.
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Yea, meantime Obama continues to lie and cheat and steal, to trash the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, to crush our freedoms and rights, and to ignore the law and the will of the people. Everybody should be speaking out against this arrogant, obnoxious, narcissistic, left-wing Dictatorcrat who pretends to be Commander-in-Chief of real men.
I do not agree with the positions and or actions of this current administration, however as a veteran, I also understand the need for order and discipline.

The UCMJ is quite clear in regards to this issue. If this Marine wanted to speak out in regards to his opposition to the President, they should have waited until they were discharged. This Marine cannot fault the system for rules that he was made aware of when he joined the military.
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FALSE. For a claimed Vet you are very unfamilar with the UCMJ.
Article 134, known as the catch-all article, makes criminal those acts of speech that are prejudicial to good order and discipline or that could bring discredit upon the Armed Forces. This is pretty broad and explains why it is often called the catch-all article. If your chain of command thinks your political involvement has affected your unit or the military, you could be punished under this article
So he was prejudicial? what did he say that will disrupt good order and disipline. The Commander in cheif is an ass. How will that disrupt any thing? Will it make other troops quite following orders? All he did was let everyone know he's not going to Vote for Obama anytime soon.
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"respect the the office" you are correct Bappie.
To bad many on the left did not see it that way when GW was commander-in-chief.
You're confused - wa are talking about private vs military!
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Nope.
There's a reason for that.
Does that tell you something?
Speaks volume doesn't it that one tolerates free speech and the second doesn't

The only rule was if you were still active duty including the reserves you could not wear your uniform while protesting. The left pitch a fit about this. But, the bottom line was they WERE not told they COULD not protest.
And so it goes

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So he was prejudicial? what did he say that will disrupt good order and disipline. The Commander in cheif is an ass. How will that disrupt any thing? Will it make other troops quite following orders? All he did was let everyone know he's not going to Vote for Obama anytime soon.
Heck during the Bush administration they could become involved in protests
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bappie wrote:
You can have freedom of speech and speak out against your boss or company you work for. See how long you keep your job! We cannot have military, especially during war time, speak negatively about our commander-in-chief. Obviously he was using his postion in the military as a prop to use against the president or he wouldn't have created the pg, letting people know he was in the military. The problem with the world today is everyone thinks they're important, lol.
Well said, especially in light of Sgt. Stein's criticism being unclear and mostly fabricated which suggest he's objecting to something that exists only in his mind and not in the real world
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I humbly disagree with you and others whom added support! Why should we or others support the presidential position or the person in it when Obama has shown lack of respect for the office itself, for the Supreme Court members, wasted millions if not billions of tax dollars (our money) supporting projects that failed and were not even the responsibility of government. He openly makes criticism by naming of individuals and makes it personal when he shouldn't and he constantly lies (if you pay attention you "get it")...I could go on and on but surely you get the point. So my position is... if what you say or do is true in fact or humorously said or posted then it is perfectly correct and acceptable and falls into rights of speech period! Times have changed and so should we! We should no longer just stand by and get shafted even by the "President" the people picked a lemon and we should call it as it is. I am also an Army veteran and served time in Korea and Vietnam war.
Your opinion, to which you are entitled to, is pretty radical and not based in reality your post is based on wingnuz talking points and very easily shredded to trash which is what it is!
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Aphelion wrote:
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UCMJ:(Uniformed Code of Military Justice)
Article 134, known as the catch-all article, makes criminal those acts of speech that are prejudicial to good order and discipline or that could bring discredit upon the Armed Forces. This is pretty broad and explains why it is often called the catch-all article. If your chain of command thinks your political involvement has affected your unit or the military, you could be punished under this article
has any of his political views hindered any of the USMC's ability to conduct operations? I am sure there is a Gunny above him, and with a few choice words can maintain.

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Well said, especially in light of Sgt. Stein's criticism being unclear and mostly fabricated which suggest he's objecting to something that exists only in his mind and not in the real world
LOL! Pretty much. Everyone wants to be important. Marines are hardcore. They take pride in being a marine. He's brought shame by doing what he did. I wouldn't want to be in combat with someone who decides which orders he will or won't follow.
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Old Goat wrote:
<quoted text>You are right, but this is not the private sector.
Political views belong to each citizen, be they in the military or not.
Get a clue!
Easy there OG, think about what we are saying here. No one is depriving the Sergeant of his political views, he simply must keep them private as long as he is serving in the military. Once out he is free to make an asshat out of himself to his hearts content!
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So he was prejudicial? what did he say that will disrupt good order and disipline. The Commander in cheif is an ass. How will that disrupt any thing? Will it make other troops quite following orders? All he did was let everyone know he's not going to Vote for Obama anytime soon.
That it not entirely correct. Not only did he post his objections to the president but also:

The government submitted screen grabs of Stein's postings on one Facebook page he created called Armed Forces Tea Party, which the prosecutor said included the image of Obama on the "Jackass" movie poster. Stein also superimposed Obama's image on a poster for "The Incredibles" movie that he changed to "The Horribles,"

This would fall under the category of disruption of good order and discipline.

If you join the military you need to abide by the rules of the military, or face the consequences.

I am no fan of Obama but I cannot excuse this break in discipline either.

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That was as dumb as a member of congress doing an Insider Trading deal on the side.
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Thank you Bappie..Those with no connection to the Military can never know!...In time of WAR,most importantly ,we cannot have anarchy!
Those of every great American Generation knew that.
Our First Commander in Chief had to execute some for the integrity of the whole...in that Revolutionary War.
Many Served under same conditions,However,They were Good Soldiers...Many giving it all!
In Civilian Clothes?? Yes GOD BLESS THE FIRST AMENDMENT,but when its DUTY,HONOR,COUNTRY....Best leave the Bitching,Griping,Gretching to others...
Hope Your Family People in the Military are OK.and Wish they will be home soon!
SoMEbODy BEAt YOU wiTh ThE cRAzY stICK BaD.

MacArthur, the one person you quote, ran into problems with his insubordination against the chain of command and against the civilian leadership for his entire career.(Although it didn't become a huge issue until after WWII was won.)
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Easy there OG, think about what we are saying here. No one is depriving the Sergeant of his political views, he simply must keep them private as long as he is serving in the military. Once out he is free to make an asshat out of himself to his hearts content!
Bullshit! It is OK to be a queer in the military, but not a "Tea Party" member!! What the hell is going on here, are we going into "Don't ask, don't tell" for your political views?
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Old Goat wrote:
<quoted text>No!
"Did this Marine disobey any order from his lawful superiors?"

The moron in question did not recognize his lawful superior as being such.

Next!
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No different that if you were fired for cause from a corporation. All corporate funded benefits and retirement would be forfeit.
And you would have a point if that were true but there are two differences.

When you are fired from a company with a pension, you will still be entitled to receive any pension benefits you have earned prior to being fired so you don't loose everything.

Unlike with a company after 180 days of active service you are entitled to the benefits of the GI bill. Although it may not be the case her,e the marine could have in 8 years been deployed repeatedly to Iraq and Afghanistan and gone though who knows what and in my book earned something for that even if he said bad things about Barack Hussein Obama after that.

So the guy will loose his pension because he is not vested yet but what about the benefits he earned years ago? I would think he would have to do something more egregious than what he did to loose that.

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