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'Drone strikes killed more civilians than publicly acknowledged' - UN investigator

There are 48 comments on the Russia Taday story from Oct 18, 2013, titled 'Drone strikes killed more civilians than publicly acknowledged' - UN investigator. In it, Russia Taday reports that:

Pakistani protesters belonging to United Citizen Action march behind a burning US flag during a protest in Multan on September 30, 2013, against the US drone attacks in Pakistani tribal areas A UN report accuses the United States of downplaying the number of civilians killed in anti-terrorist drone operations, while failing to assist in the ... (more)

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mICHEAL

Karachi, Pakistan

#1 Oct 18, 2013
USA must immediately halt Drone Program ... If U.S. is such confident than it must use at Home Killing 'HUTAREE' Christian terrorist Militia Group ...

Since: Oct 13

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#2 Oct 18, 2013
They do use it in the US now. The US has become a police state essentially even though they still pretend to be a functioning democracy.

As the US failure in Afghanistan comes to an end, the drone program will shift to another country to continue to War for Oil and Resources.

Afterall, they only need to SUSTAIN war since America is a prime example of the Military Industrial Complex.

WAR = PROFIT

Concoct a fake enemy and wage a "war"...end of story...the US is following the same footsteps of the Roman Empire...and just as the Roman Empire fell, the American Empire is falling before our eyes.

Since: Oct 13

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#4 Oct 18, 2013
Our government has been sad and dumb for a very long time.

But you're looking at this the wrong way. Drones have 2% success rate (according to them these are suspected terrorists not proven terrorists).

The remaining 98% of always innocent civilians who end up wanting revenge and join the TTP (Pakistani Taliban).

What's funny is that the TTP is not recognised or supported by the Afghan Taliban. In fact a few days ago the Afghan Taliban attacked the Pakistan Taliban and killed one of its top leaders.

There is no question that the ISI still controls the Afghan Taliban.

The real question is who controls the Pakistani Taliban. The CIA? It's not a conspiracy theory when you start digging deeper.

The leader of TTP was a former Guantanamo Bay detainee - and they released him. Meanwhile, hundreds of others are still detained in that camp for no reason.

TTP is a CIA controlled operative group which is paying them to wage war on the Pakistani state. As the US pulls out, it's dismantling the TTP because the US is scared that the ISI will buy them over to there side.

It's a pretty sticky situation...India and the current Mayor of Kabul want the TTP to remain, but the US is reluctant and are ripping the group apart much to the dismay of India.

So drone strikes HELP the Pakistani Taliban, why do you think the US continues to bomb villages and innocent people? You force them to join a group under the "pretext" that you are waging revenge.

Being from the Tribal Areas myself I understand this game better than anyone else. Pakistan is playing a double game no more than the US is playing one...it's all about securing pipelines and energy corridors nothing else.

The ISI uses the Afghan Taliban, and the CIA responded by making there own "Taliban" who just got their @$$es kicked a few days ago when the Afghan Taliban attacked them.
Andanderson II

Liverpool, UK

#6 Oct 18, 2013
MrAnderson1 wrote:
They do use it in the US now. The US has become a police state essentially even though they still pretend to be a functioning democracy.
As the US failure in Afghanistan comes to an end, the drone program will shift to another country to continue to War for Oil and Resources.
Afterall, they only need to SUSTAIN war since America is a prime example of the Military Industrial Complex.
WAR = PROFIT
Concoct a fake enemy and wage a "war"...end of story...the US is following the same footsteps of the Roman Empire...and just as the Roman Empire fell, the American Empire is falling before our eyes.
Pakistan's economy was rescued in 2001 due to the US coming back post 9/11. Pakistan took billions of US dollars and yet played a double game in keeping Afghanistan on boil. The US are using drones only so that the US lives lost are kept to minimum. If Pakistan had been a good ally then it would have ditched sharia constitution. Pakistan told the uS that its "N-bomb is India specific". Good luck to those Pakistanis who would want to truly modernize Pakistan and mindset of its people.
Andanderson II

Liverpool, UK

#7 Oct 18, 2013
MrAnderson1 wrote:
They do use it in the US now. The US has become a police state essentially even though they still pretend to be a functioning democracy.
As the US failure in Afghanistan comes to an end, the drone program will shift to another country to continue to War for Oil and Resources.
Afterall, they only need to SUSTAIN war since America is a prime example of the Military Industrial Complex.
WAR = PROFIT
Concoct a fake enemy and wage a "war"...end of story...the US is following the same footsteps of the Roman Empire...and just as the Roman Empire fell, the American Empire is falling before our eyes.
War = Profit but Peace can be = profit, too. Post cold war, the US diverted funds to other areas which yielded as good profits. It is the momentum of particular strands of the economy in peace time that yields profits and progress.
Andanderson II

Liverpool, UK

#8 Oct 18, 2013
MrAnderson1 wrote:
Our government has been sad and dumb for a very long time.
But you're looking at this the wrong way. Drones have 2% success rate (according to them these are suspected terrorists not proven terrorists).
The remaining 98% of always innocent civilians who end up wanting revenge and join the TTP (Pakistani Taliban).
What's funny is that the TTP is not recognised or supported by the Afghan Taliban. In fact a few days ago the Afghan Taliban attacked the Pakistan Taliban and killed one of its top leaders.
There is no question that the ISI still controls the Afghan Taliban.
The real question is who controls the Pakistani Taliban. The CIA? It's not a conspiracy theory when you start digging deeper.
The leader of TTP was a former Guantanamo Bay detainee - and they released him. Meanwhile, hundreds of others are still detained in that camp for no reason.
TTP is a CIA controlled operative group which is paying them to wage war on the Pakistani state. As the US pulls out, it's dismantling the TTP because the US is scared that the ISI will buy them over to there side.
It's a pretty sticky situation...India and the current Mayor of Kabul want the TTP to remain, but the US is reluctant and are ripping the group apart much to the dismay of India.
So drone strikes HELP the Pakistani Taliban, why do you think the US continues to bomb villages and innocent people? You force them to join a group under the "pretext" that you are waging revenge.
Being from the Tribal Areas myself I understand this game better than anyone else. Pakistan is playing a double game no more than the US is playing one...it's all about securing pipelines and energy corridors nothing else.
The ISI uses the Afghan Taliban, and the CIA responded by making there own "Taliban" who just got their @$$es kicked a few days ago when the Afghan Taliban attacked them.
Too fanciful a scenario enacted here. Talibans do not believe in borders as such and this was lost to successive Pakistani governments which made cynical use of religion in order to establish "compliant friendly Afghanistani economy" post Soviet withdrawal. I was one of the bloggers who predicted way back then that Pakistan would be engulfed by Talibans in Pakistan itself. Now, when some Taliban is murdered by their own then it is just a personal power rivalary and no more. modern nations cannot use "belief matters" just to appease uneducated masses.

Since: Oct 13

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#9 Oct 18, 2013
Andanderson II wrote:
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Pakistan's economy was rescued in 2001 due to the US coming back post 9/11. Pakistan took billions of US dollars and yet played a double game in keeping Afghanistan on boil. The US are using drones only so that the US lives lost are kept to minimum. If Pakistan had been a good ally then it would have ditched sharia constitution. Pakistan told the uS that its "N-bomb is India specific". Good luck to those Pakistanis who would want to truly modernize Pakistan and mindset of its people.
LOL Bengali Alert...it's okay I'll play along.

Rescue our economy how?

The claim from the US is that Pakistan has been given $21.5 billion since 2002. Sure...but did it ever occur to you how much Pakistan has lost in the so-called "War on Terror"? The estimated figures which came out last year calculated that Pakistan has lost $60 billion since joining the war. This aid is nothing more than a slap in the face.

It'll be a bigger slap in the face when you realize how much of this $21.5 billion is actually our money!

Breakdown of the $21.5 Billion
+ Aid To Pakistan =$5 billion (2002-2011)
+ Reimbursements To Pakistan =$9 billion (2002-2011)
+ Economic Packages To Pakistan =$7.5 billion (2002-2011)
TOTAL AID TO PAKISTAN =$21.5 billion (2002-2011)
TOTAL LOSSES TO PAKISTAN =$60 billion (2002-2011)

1. The REAL amount of aid to Pakistan
The aid to Pakistan is not $21.5 billion as some ignorant journalists both at home and abroad have been barking. The actual aid (no strings attached) is $5 billion, which is peanuts compared to the $60 billion Pakistan has lost since joining this phony war.

2. Reimbursements are not aid
Reimbursements were given for services carried about by the Pakistan Armed Forces and Pakistan Government. That approximately turns out to be $9 billion. Basically it's our money. So in actuality, Pakistan has in total received $12.5 billion in "aid" not $21.5 billion.

3. Not all of the aid has been disbursed
Not all of the aid or reimbursements have actually been released by Washington. The US would like everyone to think Pakistan is being given aid on a regular basis, but this isn't actually true. Many times the funds or aid are frozen without notice and has become quite a hindrance. On paper, Pakistan has received $21.5 billion in aid, but in reality this figure is far from the truth.

4. Economic packages and the concept of overhead
America's $7.5 billion economic aid package to Pakistan uses the conventional benchmark of 40% of overhead/administrative expenses. Essentially only $3 billion dollars ends up in the hands of the Pakistan Government, while the remaining $4.5 billion gets cycled back into US entities/non-profit organizations.

So when we do the math, this is what the "aid" to Pakistan really looks like.

Total Aid =$5 billion
Economic Package =$3 billion
TOTAL RECALCULATED AID TO PAKISTAN =$8 billion

Total Losses To Pakistan =$60 billion
Reimbursements To Pakistan =$9 billion
TOTAL RECALCULATED LOSSES TO PAKISTAN =$51 billion

So for our participation in this phony "War on Terror", Pakistan has lost a grand total of $51 billion while we have received nothing more than $8 billion in aid. And this does not include the 3 million internally displaced people, the 50,000 people and soldiers dead and a destroyed international reputation. It is time to educate people in Pakistan and around the world about the myth of American aid and why America has not and will never be a true ally of Pakistan.

Since: Oct 13

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#10 Oct 18, 2013
Andanderson II wrote:
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Too fanciful a scenario enacted here. Talibans do not believe in borders as such and this was lost to successive Pakistani governments which made cynical use of religion in order to establish "compliant friendly Afghanistani economy" post Soviet withdrawal. I was one of the bloggers who predicted way back then that Pakistan would be engulfed by Talibans in Pakistan itself. Now, when some Taliban is murdered by their own then it is just a personal power rivalary and no more. modern nations cannot use "belief matters" just to appease uneducated masses.
Yeah you don't know anything so I'm going to give you a quick history lesson. The Taliban are most people who fought with the Mujaihadeen in the 1980s.

The Mujaihadeen were funded by the ISI and CIA in the 1980s. There'a a famous picture of several warlords in the White House meeting with Ronald Reagon. The agreement was that if the US intervenved it would also help in post-war Afghanistan.

The US helped by delivering weapons and the ISI trained them to defeat the Soviets. After the withdrawal of the Soviet forces, the US washed it's hands of Afghanistan, and left a country with the latest military hardware in the hands of warlords. Not to mention it left Pakistan with 3 million refugees and another 1.5 million in Iran. Afghanistan was abandoned by the United States and it was Pakistan left to clean up the mess. The mess only got worse when the Taliban formed out of the Mujaihadeen and took control of Afghanistan in the mid 90s.

So let's get facts straight here first...the WEST wanted to play it's own dirty games to play the Soviets and when all was said and done, you left us high and dry.

KARMA sucks doesn't it?

Since: Oct 13

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#11 Oct 18, 2013
And don't even start on 9/11 and the Afghanistan invasion. 9/11 was the biggest joke in history and the invasion of Afghanistan was done to secure pipelines nothing more.

Anyone with a brain and common sense knows that. Those who sit and watch FOX News obviously won't.

Worth menioning, the Unocol Oil Company was planning to built the Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline.

Want to know who Hamid Karzai worked for before he became Afghanistan's president?

Take a wild guess.

Since: Oct 13

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#12 Oct 18, 2013
Yeah exactly...sit down and shut up.
Andanderson II

Liverpool, UK

#14 Oct 19, 2013
MrAnderson1 wrote:
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Yeah you don't know anything so I'm going to give you a quick history lesson. The Taliban are most people who fought with the Mujaihadeen in the 1980s.
The Mujaihadeen were funded by the ISI and CIA in the 1980s. There'a a famous picture of several warlords in the White House meeting with Ronald Reagon. The agreement was that if the US intervenved it would also help in post-war Afghanistan.
The US helped by delivering weapons and the ISI trained them to defeat the Soviets. After the withdrawal of the Soviet forces, the US washed it's hands of Afghanistan, and left a country with the latest military hardware in the hands of warlords. Not to mention it left Pakistan with 3 million refugees and another 1.5 million in Iran. Afghanistan was abandoned by the United States and it was Pakistan left to clean up the mess. The mess only got worse when the Taliban formed out of the Mujaihadeen and took control of Afghanistan in the mid 90s.
So let's get facts straight here first...the WEST wanted to play it's own dirty games to play the Soviets and when all was said and done, you left us high and dry.
KARMA sucks doesn't it?
Talibans of Afghanistan was created in Pakistan by a handful Afghans but it got bigger due to Pakistan/ISI policy of using them to seize power in Kabul. Big mistake as that policy has boomaranged and made Pakistan unstable.
Pav

Berlin, Germany

#16 Oct 20, 2013
it is sure that this war is cruel crime against humanity in the name of interests of drug cartels and other amoral, bastardic criminals from usa and its criminal sidekickers and it is tragedy for the who,e region, for Afghans and for the world. These war criminals, who are responsible for those drone attacks ( politiicans and militaries )just like for other criminal activities should be tried cause of crime against humanity.
FUCKallPAKIs

Croydon, UK

#17 Oct 20, 2013
MrAnderson1 wrote:
Yeah exactly...sit down and shut up.
HAHA...
This is not a happy PAKI...
Good!
YOU-DESERVE-IT

Croydon, UK

#18 Oct 20, 2013
MrAnderson1 wrote:
Yeah exactly...sit down and shut up.
Get droned and shut up.

“image gallery of moenjodaro”

Since: Jan 06

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#19 Oct 28, 2013
2900 so far Killed 90% Innocents Pakistani Civilians
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

United States

#20 Oct 28, 2013
We pay the UN enough money. Why don't they just go in and get the job done themselves? Why do we have to police the world. Did Pakistan release the good doctor yet? No money for them !
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

United States

#21 Oct 28, 2013
No money for the UN either
mICHEAL

Karachi, Pakistan

#23 Nov 3, 2013
RT Says Figures are as high as Innocent 5000 People killed
Ali Abbas

Sugar Land, TX

#24 Nov 4, 2013
Finally somebody realizes that
Zeni

Gdansk, Poland

#25 Nov 4, 2013
it is evidently crime against humanity and genocide and these criminal politicians and militaries from usa, who are responsible for it are global mass murderers and war criminals. It is just clear fact.

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