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CYAalways

United States

#1803 Dec 23, 2013
Not feeling it wrote:
<quoted text> nursing is a soul sucking job...particularly if you're no longer young (wink, wink). They're ok with you as long as you're giving them all your extra time tec. Then you get old..you find out the doctors were agreeing with you because you were pretty...nobody gives a shiiiit to give you a 500 pound patient after you've had back surgery. You're no longer the apple of your manager's eye. Wake up. I was a useful fool for too long. Nursing is a soul sucking field.
It does not matter if you are a young or an old nurse. The MO of those who control hospital administrations are to protect the doctor.
This has been the MO of those who run hospitals since the beginning of these healthcare organizations, is to protect the doctor. let's face it, the doctors are more invested in the hospital system, and they bring in the patients to these organizations, hence they are the bread and butter for hospital.
Nurses have historically and are still more
dispensable. Nurses have shallow pockets, and can't afford to hire the best legal talent when they get caught in a system, designed to kick them to the curb, compared to doctors, who have deep pockets and know people in high places and get preferential treatment.
Also, if you noticed, there are nursing schools sprouting everywhere. You have accelerated programs and one can be a nurse in 18 months, if they have a degree in any subject. A lot of these graduates don't have to go through a rigorous clinical training program. They graduate in hoardes, through these programs. They don't how how to look after patients safely.
During the econmic crash of 2008 till now, loads of real estate agents, and other displaced workers (factory) went into nursing. They went into nursing in hopes to get a job quickly and for the money.
Anyone can become a nurse. It is not that difficult of a challenge. If a person can be trained, they can become a nurse.
There are many other professions out there that offer greater satisfaction and better rewards.
sad3238

Coatesville, PA

#1804 Dec 24, 2013
I think we all need to fight the US BON!. I am out of a job due to one dui 8 years ago. I had to drop the program due to it being so expensive. I paid for hunreds and hundreds of urine screens, and I paid for psych evaluation by people not degreed to do this.

Is there one BON that runs all the rest? Or if I write my letter, do I need to send to all 50 states?

I am broke and have never been arrested ever! It was a stupid mistake.

Who can I write to, who the hell is in charge of this crap.
monika

Phoenix, AZ

#1805 Dec 24, 2013
You are so right! Those for profit schools have sprung up everywhere. They will get financial aid for the students to go through a very mediocre if not downright questionable program. Nursing schools today are an absolute insult to the nursing schools of yesterday. The first words out of the students mouths is, "how much money will a new grad make?" "what specialty makes the most money?" I have rarely met students or potential students wanting to be a good nurse They might as well be selling a house. Just remember all you Baby Boomers, these "aspiring nurses" will be soon taking care of YOU! But I still say after all these years, Nurses We Did It To Each And Everyone Of Us! We sat by when these changes were being made. Myself included. I heard the warnings. Nurses do not take care of themselves or each other. So sad.
monika

Phoenix, AZ

#1806 Dec 24, 2013
Cyaalways wrote:
<quoted text>
You need to get a PhD in psychology to go any where in that field. I hope you have adequate funds.
Sorry to hear about the hardship you had to endure.
Actually with a Bachelors in Psych. she can probably get a job as a psych tech in a hospital. You would need a Masters to be a Therapist in a licensable degree. But you are correct, to really move ahead a PhD is required.

Since: Oct 13

Tempe, AZ

#1807 Dec 25, 2013
Tidy mighty wrote:
Where are all the success stories from people who had their license disciplined? Please speak up!
I am cleared. Not back in the specific area I want, but back to working in nursing. I have been doing home health, the place where there is no monitoring of AOís with power hungry personality disorders. My first job after I was cleared from probation around the first week or so of Nov. 2013 was with a company that was owned and operated by the RN who took on a patient with lots of ďMONEYĒ, yeah MONEY MONEY MONEY thatís what itís all about. The first shift I did I was concerned, I ended up doing a total of 7 shifts. The RN who owned the company was writing orders that did not come from a doctor, he made them up. The patient was to see a GI specialist and had been referred to a GI doctor a number of times but the AO RN that owned the company did not send the patient. There are many other things I noted that the owner did that was obvious signs he was inexperienced and in it for the money. I was not the only one concerned about the case, so guess what I did, yep I turned the dirty joker into the AZBON. This is not his first issue with the board, he took 1900.00 over a patient exchange and wiggled out of any discipline on January 2012. The dirty joker hired mostly nurses who had been disciplined by the AZBON or who had complaints dismissed, and of course I was one. I guess he thought no one would say anything since they are afraid of the BON, he was correct in his assumption most did not, they came in did a crappy job, got their check and left. What about the patient? Now as nurses we all know the BON hates us, the ncsbn hates us, the attorney gen. office hates us, the public, the patients, the patients families, doctors and CEOís of hospitals hates us too, and all of us hate all of them, itís just one big fat hate filled family, how nice I just love this SóT.
I just got another home health job, and I spent 2 twelve hour shifts where a LPN or I should say another power hunger AO with a low self-esteem was to show me a patients routine, I am an RN but having the LPN showing me the routine is fine, I donít have an ego issue. The LPN has been on this case for 7 plus years and has formed a dual relationship with the sister of the patient which is against the nurse practice act. Man there that nurse practice act thing is again, damn. The LPN has also been writing orders that a doctor never gave her, damn why didnít the LPN just go to medical school? There is a lot of concerns I have and I noted them but the one I will tell you about is where the LPN wrote an order for the patient to be given 9 Senna tabs a day in conjunction with the patients Murilax and a suppository, itís a good thing this patient is paralyzed. I know I am a real dummy for being sanctioned and placed on probation and have now been cleared, but all that Senna and other laxatives made me wonder, gosh what doctor would order a bowel program like this on a daily bases, so I called poison control and ask about all those laxatives, come to find out the max dose for Senna is 20 Ė 40 mg a day, this patient is getting 77.4 mg every day plus all the other laxatives. I think I better turn this over to those AO at the BON. This is great they hate me I hate them, what a beautiful hate filled relationship it is. I just hope the patient survives the LPNís laxative protocol before anything is done. The LPN would not have been so bad but every time I ask a question the LPN got defensive, I do ask questions like most maybe I just ask to many. MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE.
sick of it all

Gilbert, AZ

#1808 Dec 26, 2013
Had a problem with a doctor. He lied. I was reported to the board of nursing. I fought it without an attorney because I was innocent. I almost had a nervous breakdown, but I won in the end. They can all go to , well you know where. I am working as a RN and finally changed jobs. The doctor who reported me had this strange look on his face every time he saw me and that made me feel good that I did not let him get to me. I am finally happy.
Hey there

Jasper, AL

#1809 Dec 27, 2013
sick of it all wrote:
Had a problem with a doctor. He lied. I was reported to the board of nursing. I fought it without an attorney because I was innocent. I almost had a nervous breakdown, but I won in the end. They can all go to , well you know where. I am working as a RN and finally changed jobs. The doctor who reported me had this strange look on his face every time he saw me and that made me feel good that I did not let him get to me. I am finally happy.
what did the doctor say about you?
sick of it all

Mesa, AZ

#1810 Dec 27, 2013
He said I was using prescribed narcotics at work and I wasn't. He had touched me inappropiately when I was his pt and I reported him. I went before the board, told the truth, they put me thru hell with 35 seperate drug tests that I had to pay for. The BON of Az told me that they would drop the case if I would agree to go thru the CANDO program. I refused. All were completely negative. No one would listen. I thought it was so funny when the investigator asked how I was getting all negative drug tests. I looked at her and said" I told you I was not taking anything". I guess she thought I had a magic trick or formula that would cause them to be negative. The truth was not believed even with the proof, but finally I was sent to an addictionologist. I got a letter from her, a copy of the one she sent the nursing board. It basically said, why did you send this person to me. It should have been obvious that she was innocent with all the negative tests. I got a letter from the board 2 days later saying all charges had been dropped. I went thru 2 yrs of hell because I would not admit to a lie. I feel for anyone who has to go before the board in Arizona.
cpj1186 AZ

Peoria, AZ

#1811 Dec 27, 2013
sad3238 wrote:
I think we all need to fight the US BON!. I am out of a job due to one dui 8 years ago. I had to drop the program due to it being so expensive. I paid for hunreds and hundreds of urine screens, and I paid for psych evaluation by people not degreed to do this.
Is there one BON that runs all the rest? Or if I write my letter, do I need to send to all 50 states?
I am broke and have never been arrested ever! It was a stupid mistake.
Who can I write to, who the hell is in charge of this crap.
*First of all, take a deep breath. NOW, each state runs its own bon. Each state makes its own rules. I have heard some states are worse than other. I do believe this. I have heard that AZ is one of the worst--has to be, I can't imagine it getting much worse than this state. They protect the public, do NOT care about their nurses. We need a UNION to protect us from them It is the only way. While the bon protects the public, no one protects us. I have lost respect of most of my family members, I have lost my home of 17 years, my vehicles, most all of my furniture, and all of my antiques. I sold all I could. and then got evicted and forgot to call in one day for a u/a screen and was SO stressed because I was sure my life as a nurse was OVER. They added another color to my list (now 2 colors/month) and a hair test. I planned to shed the license and call it a day, but decided that I have spent too much and have stayed up so many nights with no sleep, After I thought it through, I gave it to God and decided that He was in charge. I have worked very hard, and decided that I have worked too hard enough for this and I will not let them take it away. I am taking some online classes for my BSN so that I will have that when this is over. There is a light.(We need a UNION)

Since: Oct 13

Tempe, AZ

#1812 Dec 28, 2013
sick of it all wrote:
He said I was using prescribed narcotics at work and I wasn't. He had touched me inappropiately when I was his pt and I reported him. I went before the board, told the truth, they put me thru hell with 35 seperate drug tests that I had to pay for. The BON of Az told me that they would drop the case if I would agree to go thru the CANDO program. I refused. All were completely negative. No one would listen. I thought it was so funny when the investigator asked how I was getting all negative drug tests. I looked at her and said" I told you I was not taking anything". I guess she thought I had a magic trick or formula that would cause them to be negative. The truth was not believed even with the proof, but finally I was sent to an addictionologist. I got a letter from her, a copy of the one she sent the nursing board. It basically said, why did you send this person to me. It should have been obvious that she was innocent with all the negative tests. I got a letter from the board 2 days later saying all charges had been dropped. I went thru 2 yrs of hell because I would not admit to a lie. I feel for anyone who has to go before the board in Arizona.
I feel for anyone who is lied on and has to go through what you did. What a *&^%^& the doctor is, and most are. When doctors do not get their way they lie. I know not everyone who goes to the BON is innocent but there are a lot that are. The nursing in AZ is bad and a lot of thugs worm into nursing here as well as into power positions. There is a HOME HEALTH agency who hired a male who is less than 2 years out of nursing school and the agency made him the DON. The first clue he was inexperienced was when I saw him do PICC line dressing change, he was clueless as to what the black rings on the line meant and what they measured, he also tried to insert the line further into the pt. with the dirty gloves he pulled off all of the dirty dressing with, he is a real knight and shining C**^K.

Since: Oct 13

Tempe, AZ

#1813 Dec 28, 2013
sick of it all wrote:
He said I was using prescribed narcotics at work and I wasn't. He had touched me inappropiately when I was his pt and I reported him. I went before the board, told the truth, they put me thru hell with 35 seperate drug tests that I had to pay for. The BON of Az told me that they would drop the case if I would agree to go thru the CANDO program. I refused. All were completely negative. No one would listen. I thought it was so funny when the investigator asked how I was getting all negative drug tests. I looked at her and said" I told you I was not taking anything". I guess she thought I had a magic trick or formula that would cause them to be negative. The truth was not believed even with the proof, but finally I was sent to an addictionologist. I got a letter from her, a copy of the one she sent the nursing board. It basically said, why did you send this person to me. It should have been obvious that she was innocent with all the negative tests. I got a letter from the board 2 days later saying all charges had been dropped. I went thru 2 yrs of hell because I would not admit to a lie. I feel for anyone who has to go before the board in Arizona.
Your case seems so cut and dry, most case's that go to the BON don't take as long as yours did. Why did your case go on for so long?
sick of it all

Mesa, AZ

#1814 Dec 28, 2013
It went on so long because the bon wanted me to go thru the can do program and I refused and fought it with everything I had. I refused to admit to a lie.
Cookie

Folsom, CA

#1815 Dec 28, 2013
I would advise anyone who is thinking of starting a career in Nursing is to think long and hard. Once you are in the nursing mode you are stuck and will find it difficult to find other employment if you lose your license or just get tired of all the bullshit. The population of the patients in skilled nursing/long term care has changed from geriatric patients to younger patients with psychiatric and substance abuse problems. at least here in California. Long term care Facilities are being paid by counties that have difficult patients to place to take patients that even locked facilities will not accept.. These patients have histories of violent behavior, sexual predators and self destructive behavior.
It is all about money and at an extra $250.00 a day is worth it for the facility to fill there beds, they really do not care about the safety of the staff, other residents or even problematic residents. Administration caters to these problematic residents and reinforce the behaviors., some even require one on one paid companions [which they are reimbursed by the county that placed the resident] because they have such severe behavior issues.
Many skilled nursing/skilled nursing have a high turnover in nursing staff some with a turnover rate as high as 167% and they can't figure out why they can not keep nurses. Good nurses who question the placement or usually shown the door.
It is always a good idea to check out a facilities staffing and turnover rate and the quality of care rating.
This trend will continue to grow and nurse's job will just get more difficult in dealing with these issues. Since most new nurses will find employment in long term care and not in an acute facility they should be prepared for the worst.
Carry your own liability insurance to protect your license and have a back up plan. Nursing is not what it use to be.
Hi there

Jasper, AL

#1816 Dec 29, 2013
sick of it all wrote:
He said I was using prescribed narcotics at work and I wasn't. He had touched me inappropiately when I was his pt and I reported him. I went before the board, told the truth, they put me thru hell with 35 seperate drug tests that I had to pay for. The BON of Az told me that they would drop the case if I would agree to go thru the CANDO program. I refused. All were completely negative. No one would listen. I thought it was so funny when the investigator asked how I was getting all negative drug tests. I looked at her and said" I told you I was not taking anything". I guess she thought I had a magic trick or formula that would cause them to be negative. The truth was not believed even with the proof, but finally I was sent to an addictionologist. I got a letter from her, a copy of the one she sent the nursing board. It basically said, why did you send this person to me. It should have been obvious that she was innocent with all the negative tests. I got a letter from the board 2 days later saying all charges had been dropped. I went thru 2 yrs of hell because I would not admit to a lie. I feel for anyone who has to go before the board in Arizona.
. I admire the fact you fought! And won! Was your license disciplined and if so how has it affected you gaining employment? That seems to be the main issue. From what I hear a disciplined license is not worth anything..so why fight?!
cpj1186 AZ

Peoria, AZ

#1817 Dec 29, 2013
Hi there wrote:
<quoted text>. I admire the fact you fought! And won! Was your license disciplined and if so how has it affected you gaining employment? That seems to be the main issue. From what I hear a disciplined license is not worth anything..so why fight?!
It is true for some facilities, and for some time,but after some time, and some "good" reports, etc, your license is good. It is HELL going before the bon. They mislead you into thinking things are one way when they are not. They say hey, you are getting your license back. they leave out the part about you won't find work for a LONG time. I am so discouraged, it is wearing on me something horrible. I have been proud of my life and my career,now I feel like some awful criminal, who cannot get a job caring for anyone. It is really terrible. I wish I had known this before I became a nurse, and I would just have done something else. There are so many bad nurses out there, and then after they mow over you with a bus, they back up and go over a couple more times. With pleasure. I have never heard of a professional group of human beings being treated like dogs. It is terrible. The only justice is God, and karma. I can't understand how they can be so unjust to their own people, then sleep at night--oh yea, because they are not NURSES!! That is the reason--at least most of them are not!
sick of it all

Mesa, AZ

#1818 Dec 29, 2013
Hi there wrote:
<quoted text>. I admire the fact you fought! And won! Was your license disciplined and if so how has it affected you gaining employment? That seems to be the main issue. From what I hear a disciplined license is not worth anything..so why fight?!
My license was not disciplined, no marks against my license at all. The doctor who reported me tried to have it so that I could not care for his pt's. The hospital board shot that down since doctors can't dictate who will or won't care for their pt's. Also, since my drug tests were all negative, the hospital had no reason to take any action either. I won and it feels good because I know that so many people don't. I went thru hell, but I am glad I fought it. This same doctor gave narcotics to a pt who had already tried to kill himself. The patient tried again to commit suicide. He sued the doctor and I don't know what happened with that, but he is under close supervision by a group of doctors from the medical board. This happened a few months ago so his inappropriate behavior has been going on for many yrs. He is a danger to his patients. He should lose his license, but I bet he never does.
Boo

Toledo, OH

#1819 Dec 29, 2013
cpj1186 AZ wrote:
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It is true for some facilities, and for some time,but after some time, and some "good" reports, etc, your license is good. It is HELL going before the bon. They mislead you into thinking things are one way when they are not. They say hey, you are getting your license back. they leave out the part about you won't find work for a LONG time. I am so discouraged, it is wearing on me something horrible. I have been proud of my life and my career,now I feel like some awful criminal, who cannot get a job caring for anyone. It is really terrible. I wish I had known this before I became a nurse, and I would just have done something else. There are so many bad nurses out there, and then after they mow over you with a bus, they back up and go over a couple more times. With pleasure. I have never heard of a professional group of human beings being treated like dogs. It is terrible. The only justice is God, and karma. I can't understand how they can be so unjust to their own people, then sleep at night--oh yea, because they are not NURSES!! That is the reason--at least most of them are not!
It is the very same way in my state. The ones on the board who are nurses only have a piece of paper saying they are. They have never actually worked as a nurse. I, like you, turned it over to God. The hate I was feeling towards these people was consuming me. I've often wondered how they sleep at night; but I have an idea they enjoy destroying people and sleep very well. They also wanted me to sign a document admitting I was an alcoholic ( over one 11 year old DUI ),and that I would not try to sue them. I refused and they are continuing to make my life hell and dragging my hearing date out for 3 years past when I was suppose to have a hearing and I still have no idea when it will be. One day they will get their just reward!
monika

Phoenix, AZ

#1820 Dec 30, 2013
sick of it all wrote:
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My license was not disciplined, no marks against my license at all. The doctor who reported me tried to have it so that I could not care for his pt's. The hospital board shot that down since doctors can't dictate who will or won't care for their pt's. Also, since my drug tests were all negative, the hospital had no reason to take any action either. I won and it feels good because I know that so many people don't. I went thru hell, but I am glad I fought it. This same doctor gave narcotics to a pt who had already tried to kill himself. The patient tried again to commit suicide. He sued the doctor and I don't know what happened with that, but he is under close supervision by a group of doctors from the medical board. This happened a few months ago so his inappropriate behavior has been going on for many yrs. He is a danger to his patients. He should lose his license, but I bet he never does.
Doctors will protect other doctors. I am surprised they are even "watching" him. Most doctors will not report other unsafe or unethical doctors. You realize doctors can lose their medical license in one state yet pick it up in another and just go on about practicing? Nurses do not have the same rules. It is more like the BONs in all the states work hard at making nurse's life miserable. They get off on it. A big part of the problem is most of the nurses that are with the BONs (at least in Arizona) may have a license, however they have not practiced in years! They have serious issues themselves. Also in Arizona there are many people on the BON that are not even nurses. It is not about really protecting the public. Arizona is more like protecting the "sick" that are on the BON. It is a group of seriously dysfunctional people that are free to make the lives of nurses absolutely miserable. They get off on the MEAN GIRL behaviors they get to dish out to the nurses in this state.
What

Pelham, AL

#1821 Jan 2, 2014
Boo wrote:
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You are absolutely right about having proof of everything they say or do! They will lie under oath and throw you under the bus before you know it's even coming. My name is on their website and they make it sound like I am a meth junkie! I got a DUI, 11years ago and I did not report it! I haven't drank in years and have never done drugs. I'm sure these people will go straight to hell; I only hope I can hold the door open for them!
. Preposterous !! Can you imagine this happening to a physician? Not on your life! I'm sorry for your pain. It's ridiculous really to have to submit to such stupidity. Better to pick another field than to be a fly on a carcass.
National BON Website

Ormond Beach, FL

#1822 Jan 5, 2014
For those of you that wanted to contact the national board of nursing, or wondered if there was one, or would like more understanding of the nurse practice act, here's the website: www.ncsbn.org

Tons of information on this site.

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