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cpj1186

Tempe, AZ

#1 Feb 22, 2013
Is there anyone out there who has had issues with the nursing board who have had their cases take far longer than the time stated in the "table" that states the absolute longest amount of time you would have to wait to have your case heard?
Carol

Scottsdale, AZ

#2 Feb 23, 2013
My Mom got horrible care at banner good Sam from nursing. I don't think
any one here is sympathetic to you. Go away.
monika

Mesa, AZ

#3 Mar 8, 2013
Carol wrote:
My Mom got horrible care at banner good Sam from nursing. I don't think
any one here is sympathetic to you. Go away.
The sad thing is YOU and some other people truly believe the board is there to protect the public. They are not. You need to talk to the administration at the hospital and see why they have understaffed and make the nurses work without! There is more to it than you think. If you only knew how many nurses fight for the patients to get better care and they get kicked to the curb. Why? Because they expose the greedy side of the hospitals and their cutting. You have no idea.
Cpj1186

Phoenix, AZ

#4 May 8, 2013
monika wrote:
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The sad thing is YOU and some other people truly believe the board is there to protect the public. They are not. You need to talk to the administration at the hospital and see why they have understaffed and make the nurses work without! There is more to it than you think. If you only knew how many nurses fight for the patients to get better care and they get kicked to the curb. Why? Because they expose the greedy side of the hospitals and their cutting. You have no idea.
Thanks, Monika--I don't get impacted by the negativity, you are correct--it is because the public has no clue. Has no clue that the nsg board is not there for anyone but the nsg board. not even a superior court rulng is able t change anything they decide. It is a shame, because I never would have gone into the field, there are no advocates for the nurse, they can take away your means of making a living in a short order of time.No one should be impaired or dangerous for the patients. It does not matter where u go--the best hosp and the worse, will all have good and bad nurses--they should go to the board & see how far they get. Ignorance is bliss I guess.
Cpj1186

Phoenix, AZ

#5 May 8, 2013
Carol wrote:
My Mom got horrible care at banner good Sam from nursing. I don't think
any one here is sympathetic to you. Go away.
OK, Carol, what did YOU do about the bad care your mother got? Prob just whined on a blog would be my guess. Did you go to the director of the floor? Did you go to administration? Did u do ANYTHING? Prob not, easier to whine. If no one does anything, nothing will change. Speak to the right source, not just cutting down the nurses that will care for YOU one day! You have no idea how hard this work is. I love my WORK and my patients, but the "business" of it stinks. I feel bad to have to say that, but it is true.
Mymomandme

Ormond Beach, FL

#7 Sep 20, 2013
I have filed complaints with the nursing board for the following reasons: Mom was repeatedly stating "no pain" in all nursing notes RN nurse put her on roxanol w/out explaining to me what "roxanol" really can mean in the medical world. Failed to make sure mom had meds for two days upon entrance to facility. Discontinued asprin and other drugs days before starting morphine. Mom started showing symptoms of neurotoxicity so another nurse gets approval for PRN roxanol. Gives Rox to mom while bp was 86/40. Next day more prn rox because mom is struggling, then another lpn "assesses" and puts mom on double the dose of rox plus other sedating drugs. One hour later she doubles the dose. 45 minutes later she doubles that and then she leaves mother with an aid that didn't know what she was doing but telling jokes. then another nurse comes in while mom is now uncon cious with slow breathing and she gives her another large dose. Mom died half hour later.

I do know there are wonderful and caring nurses out there but this is a certain profession that demands the best from all, and if there are nurses that so disrespect life, or are inept at what they do, then they have to go. And, if they cause this kind of harm to a human being, no matter what their age or condition, then they deserve to be punished, period.

I hope the people I speak of above are never allowed to repeat this abuse to another human being. The BON is there to protect patients and families from the nightmare I went through. It has changed my life forever. I feel responsible for not running out and getting a nursing education so I could supervise her care. Little did I know.
Hithere

Jasper, AL

#8 Oct 12, 2013
cpj1186 wrote:
Is there anyone out there who has had issues with the nursing board who have had their cases take far longer than the time stated in the "table" that states the absolute longest amount of time you would have to wait to have your case heard?
. Administrative law is different. 6th amendment does not apply!
Hithere

Jasper, AL

#9 Oct 12, 2013
Mymomandme wrote:
I have filed complaints with the nursing board for the following reasons: Mom was repeatedly stating "no pain" in all nursing notes RN nurse put her on roxanol w/out explaining to me what "roxanol" really can mean in the medical world. Failed to make sure mom had meds for two days upon entrance to facility. Discontinued asprin and other drugs days before starting morphine. Mom started showing symptoms of neurotoxicity so another nurse gets approval for PRN roxanol. Gives Rox to mom while bp was 86/40. Next day more prn rox because mom is struggling, then another lpn "assesses" and puts mom on double the dose of rox plus other sedating drugs. One hour later she doubles the dose. 45 minutes later she doubles that and then she leaves mother with an aid that didn't know what she was doing but telling jokes. then another nurse comes in while mom is now uncon cious with slow breathing and she gives her another large dose. Mom died half hour later.
I do know there are wonderful and caring nurses out there but this is a certain profession that demands the best from all, and if there are nurses that so disrespect life, or are inept at what they do, then they have to go. And, if they cause this kind of harm to a human being, no matter what their age or condition, then they deserve to be punished, period.
I hope the people I speak of above are never allowed to repeat this abuse to another human being. The BON is there to protect patients and families from the nightmare I went through. It has changed my life forever. I feel responsible for not running out and getting a nursing education so I could supervise her care. Little did I know.
as nurses we would need to have ALL the details before saying it was a bad call! Her diagnosis was probably hopeless.. Many families have a hard time accepting this!

Since: Nov 13

Ormond Beach, FL

#10 Nov 9, 2013
Hithere wrote:
<quoted text>as nurses we would need to have ALL the details before saying it was a bad call! Her diagnosis was probably hopeless.. Many families have a hard time accepting this!
When I initially posted this, the details are much more ugly than what I felt comfortable relaying here. I do know the automatic response from others is to feel the way "you stated", and that is what I got initially from "others", so I dug deeper and found medical records that are shocking, attempts to cover up "things", delays in treatment in order to call cc in and make "bucks" at the expense of many elderly, oversedating so nurses could watch tv, elderly patients being treated as if they are prisoners without rights (let's not forget the "Patient's Bill of Rights) or "first do not harm" or the individual State Statutes and Federal statutes that regulate the conduct of medical personnel and the rights of patients.

Trust me, I would be the first person to make sure my mother was not suffering, but as her medical surrogate - and the one person that knew her best and what was best for her (and euthanasia was not it) I was legally entitled to be included in POC. That is why we have state statutes that address the same.

It is not up to any doctor or RN, LPN, or CNA to make decisions w/out the knowledge of the medical surrogate, and proceed to prematurely overdose a patient into terminal sedation when that patient is not suffering as indicated by numerous nurses and aids. And, I'll add, failing to chart, falsifying mar and records, then overdosing, knowing you are causing harm and then abandoning your patient to suffer w/out appropriate care doesn't fall under your explanation of: "Many families have a hard time accepting this".

I can also add: Even after writing this I have still not divulged all I have learned. What saddens me very much is that I have some friends that are nurses and I know very well that there are caring, loving medical personnel out there. These good medical personnel need to be part of the solution. They must report and are required to report any illegal or morally wrong activity that they witness.

You might want to look up current U.S. fraud lawsuits against hospices and read the entire documents explaining the numerous abuses caused to patients. It's quite an eye opener.
Ok then

Jasper, AL

#11 Nov 20, 2013
Mymomandme wrote:
<quoted text>
When I initially posted this, the details are much more ugly than what I felt comfortable relaying here. I do know the automatic response from others is to feel the way "you stated", and that is what I got initially from "others", so I dug deeper and found medical records that are shocking, attempts to cover up "things", delays in treatment in order to call cc in and make "bucks" at the expense of many elderly, oversedating so nurses could watch tv, elderly patients being treated as if they are prisoners without rights (let's not forget the "Patient's Bill of Rights) or "first do not harm" or the individual State Statutes and Federal statutes that regulate the conduct of medical personnel and the rights of patients.
Trust me, I would be the first person to make sure my mother was not suffering, but as her medical surrogate - and the one person that knew her best and what was best for her (and euthanasia was not it) I was legally entitled to be included in POC. That is why we have state statutes that address the same.
It is not up to any doctor or RN, LPN, or CNA to make decisions w/out the knowledge of the medical surrogate, and proceed to prematurely overdose a patient into terminal sedation when that patient is not suffering as indicated by numerous nurses and aids. And, I'll add, failing to chart, falsifying mar and records, then overdosing, knowing you are causing harm and then abandoning your patient to suffer w/out appropriate care doesn't fall under your explanation of: "Many families have a hard time accepting this".
I can also add: Even after writing this I have still not divulged all I have learned. What saddens me very much is that I have some friends that are nurses and I know very well that there are caring, loving medical personnel out there. These good medical personnel need to be part of the solution. They must report and are required to report any illegal or morally wrong activity that they witness.
You might want to look up current U.S. fraud lawsuits against hospices and read the entire documents explaining the numerous abuses caused to patients. It's quite an eye opener.
. I don't know all the details. I know Roxanol is prescribed routinely to dying patients. Not only for pain for other reasons such as respiratory distress or increased work of breathing. Sometimes things are administered routinely to maintain an adequate comfort level. I have found grieving families sometimes interfere with treatment due to a feeling of not having control at all..sadly sometimes promoting someone be kept alive at any cost ( including the comfort of the patient). I'm sorry for your experience but sometimes you have to have the experts to truly understand the caregiver's decision. I came across so many people that tried to tell me how to do my job simply because they read a few online articles. It took me 4 years of college then years of practice for it all to click. Hospices don't make cash by speeding up the dying process...as a matter of fact they can only make money if patients are still alive. I also know nurses give of themselves more than paycheck can provide. And yes.. We still give nights, weekends, holidays(away from our own families) to serve yours.
Ok then

Jasper, AL

#12 Nov 20, 2013
Mymomandme wrote:
<quoted text>
When I initially posted this, the details are much more ugly than what I felt comfortable relaying here. I do know the automatic response from others is to feel the way "you stated", and that is what I got initially from "others", so I dug deeper and found medical records that are shocking, attempts to cover up "things", delays in treatment in order to call cc in and make "bucks" at the expense of many elderly, oversedating so nurses could watch tv, elderly patients being treated as if they are prisoners without rights (let's not forget the "Patient's Bill of Rights) or "first do not harm" or the individual State Statutes and Federal statutes that regulate the conduct of medical personnel and the rights of patients.
Trust me, I would be the first person to make sure my mother was not suffering, but as her medical surrogate - and the one person that knew her best and what was best for her (and euthanasia was not it) I was legally entitled to be included in POC. That is why we have state statutes that address the same.
It is not up to any doctor or RN, LPN, or CNA to make decisions w/out the knowledge of the medical surrogate, and proceed to prematurely overdose a patient into terminal sedation when that patient is not suffering as indicated by numerous nurses and aids. And, I'll add, failing to chart, falsifying mar and records, then overdosing, knowing you are causing harm and then abandoning your patient to suffer w/out appropriate care doesn't fall under your explanation of: "Many families have a hard time accepting this".
I can also add: Even after writing this I have still not divulged all I have learned. What saddens me very much is that I have some friends that are nurses and I know very well that there are caring, loving medical personnel out there. These good medical personnel need to be part of the solution. They must report and are required to report any illegal or morally wrong activity that they witness.
You might want to look up current U.S. fraud lawsuits against hospices and read the entire documents explaining the numerous abuses caused to patients. It's quite an eye opener.
i read you on another site trashing nurses. You are either posing or trying to convince yourself you did right by filing that complaint. My guess is by now you now you have financially and emotionally ruined a nurse and you feel guilty about it

Since: Nov 13

Daytona Beach, FL

#13 Nov 24, 2013
Ok then wrote:
<quoted text>i read you on another site trashing nurses. You are either posing or trying to convince yourself you did right by filing that complaint. My guess is by now you now you have financially and emotionally ruined a nurse and you feel guilty about it
I'm not on another site and I don't trash nurses. I love "good" nurses and medical people. Nothing I've said is off the top of my head. I speak only of medical records very clearly showing very serious violations - abandoning patient, mistaking mg's for mL's, etc. Would you want someone like that taking care of you or your loved one? I don't think so.

Nor do I believe that any "good" nurses out there would want someone like that working next to them.

Of course people make mistakes because they are human, but when one is so inept that they even document their own disregard for the welfare of their patient, then they need to go elsewhere for work. If they lose their job, then they did that to themselves - very obviously.

To the other poster: No, I am not posing; and I hope I am successful in keeping just one other patient from being treated the way my relative was by truly uncaring medical personnel. I have no guilt - I will celebrate when I know these people can't hurt another.

I am shocked to learn even more on this forum that many nurses do not know their State's Nurse Practice Act.
cpj1186 AZ

Chandler, AZ

#14 Nov 24, 2013
Carol wrote:
My Mom got horrible care at banner good Sam from nursing. I don't think
any one here is sympathetic to you. Go away.
that comment was a long time ago-just saw it. Obviously you are not in the medical field. If ur mom got poor care it was because she was cared for by incompetent nurses, or she was impatient, and couln't wait 5 minutes to have her water moved to the edge of the table--there are many patients who are horrible to us--and we are there to care for them--we make decent money because wwe want to care fo sick people, not be maids to the whiners--the sick patients usually send us cards, flowers, all kinds of nice acknowledgements, most of the complaints come from people who would not be happy regardless of what we did for them because they are miserable human beings. If you or your mother wrote to the hospital, named names, and did some positive action instead of just the blame game, maybe you could be part of the solution and not just another whiner. this blog is not constructed for you--you need to go away. it is for nurses who want and need to support each other-we are held accountable for more things than you can imagine. most of us are earning around $75-80 grand a year--and we work hard for that money--u have no clue. Not enough pay to put up with abuse.
cpj1186 AZ

Chandler, AZ

#15 Nov 24, 2013
RE: Mymomandme: it is unfortunate that you have to put off your own grieving process by blaming the nurses. Reading what u wrote made me see how uninformed you are--really, don't throw around medical terms unless u know what they mean, it makes u look even worse.-if you ever heard of HIPAA-u would know that u can't get the charts or documents of anyone on anything. PLUS, u may have read a few articles but you think u know stuff and u do not. Too bad someone at Hospice didn't inform u about things better--often doctors will change patient's meds--take them off all their usual meds--when you are actively dying, your body goes through different changes. Hospice nurses are specialty nurses, and know full well what to do--an LPN didn't change your mom's meds--she was following orders, and NO--no one needs to tell u anything before doing anything. POA only allows u to make certain decisions when a person is dying r/t whether they will be on a vent or not, you are not now the official "decision-maker" about every move--that is what many POA's think--it is not for that reason.u are acting in your mom's best interest by being the POA--so if she didn't want to be on a vent she wouldn't--if she wanted to do organ donation, you could facilitate that--not make medical decisions. when things are happening, nurses will explain to patients about their meds--when you are dying, as we all will---your body does not need the same meds, it doesn't care about food or water, it is preparing to shut down,-sad but true, some of the meds are a God send--keeping patients comfortable. Not being able to breathe well is scary--and if the meds hastened your mom's death a little bit,-wouldn't u rather that happen than have her feel the panic when she can't get air into her lungs? We have dedicated our lives, most of us-to the care and good will of our patients, they are like family to us. We spend many Christmas's, and all holidays with our patients---we don't close on a holiday,.try to let go of that anger and move forward. Maybe u could volunteer at a Hospice--giv the nurses a hand so they have the needed time. We can't help that our staffing stinks most of the time, it's a money thing, and it is what it is. Good luck--move on----

Since: Nov 13

Daytona Beach, FL

#16 Nov 26, 2013
cpj1186 AZ wrote:
RE: Mymomandme: it is unfortunate that you have to put off your own grieving process by blaming the nurses. Reading what u wrote made me see how uninformed you are--really, don't throw around medical terms unless u know what they mean, it makes u look even worse.-if you ever heard of HIPAA-u would know that u can't get the charts or documents of anyone on anything. PLUS, u may have read a few articles but you think u know stuff and u do not. Too bad someone at Hospice didn't inform u about things better--often doctors will change patient's meds--take them off all their usual meds--when you are actively dying, your body goes through different changes. Hospice nurses are specialty nurses, and know full well what to do--an LPN didn't change your mom's meds--she was following orders, and NO--no one needs to tell u anything before doing anything. POA only allows u to make certain decisions when a person is dying r/t whether they will be on a vent or not, you are not now the official "decision-maker" about every move--that is what many POA's think--it is not for that reason.u are acting in your mom's best interest by being the POA--so if she didn't want to be on a vent she wouldn't--if she wanted to do organ donation, you could facilitate that--not make medical decisions. when things are happening, nurses will explain to patients about their meds--when you are dying, as we all will---your body does not need the same meds, it doesn't care about food or water, it is preparing to shut down,-sad but true, some of the meds are a God send--keeping patients comfortable. Not being able to breathe well is scary--and if the meds hastened your mom's death a little bit,-wouldn't u rather that happen than have her feel the panic when she can't get air into her lungs? We have dedicated our lives, most of us-to the care and good will of our patients, they are like family to us. We spend many Christmas's, and all holidays with our patients---we don't close on a holiday,.try to let go of that anger and move forward. Maybe u could volunteer at a Hospice--giv the nurses a hand so they have the needed time. We can't help that our staffing stinks most of the time, it's a money thing, and it is what it is. Good luck--move on----
How wrong you are! Again, read your State's Nurse Practice Act. Then you might want to also read your State's statutes regarding Power of Attorney and Durable Power of Attorney. The difference: A Durable Power of Attorney typically includes "medical surrgacy". In other words, I was the medical surrogate for my relative. I was the person to be informed, consulted and included in the Plan of Care. I was the one, and the only one, to make any and all decisions about my relatives care.

What you stated is exactly the problem. Misinformed nurses who think they do not have to consult with medical surrogates, poa's and families. Again, read the NPA.

A medical surrogate with POA documents can most certainly obtain any and all medical records (hospitals, nursing homes, doctor's notes and nurse notes and mar's, lab reports, prescriptions, etc.) and if you send your request by certified mail, you will get them pretty quickly.

Oh, and trust me, the medical surrogate/POA, stands in place for the patient (he IS the patient's "thought process") and has every legal right to question anything happening to the patient at any time - dying or not dying.

You made my case for me. You have not a clue what a "medical surrogate" is, that it is typically included in a DPOA which is what families hold if they are the medical surrogate and most are. You are required to inform everything to the surrogate. You are to assist the patient and family; you are not there to mislead anybody or to make arbitrary decisions. And, for your information, look up the manufacturer's website for morphine regarding respiratory issues. If I wasn't running out of space here, I'd share more informative med. stuff w/you.

Since: Nov 13

Daytona Beach, FL

#17 Nov 26, 2013
A medical surrogate (Durable Power of Attorney) has all legal authority to obtain medical records, including physician, nurse notes, mar's, lab reports, etc., etc.

When a medical surrogate (typically referred to as a POA) is involved, any medical person has a legal obligation to include the medical surrogate in the Plan of Care, wherever, whenever, whatever!

It truly is scary that some in the field do not realize this. There is a reason laws exist to protect patients. There are wonderful nurses but some just don't understand their Nurse Practice Act and thank goodness those aren't practicing.

Since: Nov 13

Daytona Beach, FL

#18 Nov 27, 2013
To cpj: Regarding your comment that patients treat you so badly: You are suppose to be bigger than that. You are suppose to realize that when people are sick, they are not themselves and may behave in a way that appears to be "ungrateful" etc. You are suppose to have the training to recognize this and ignore it, and, in fact, have compassion for that patient at all times because of the obvious pain, fear, grief, mental status, they may be in.

You must, as a good nurse, realize that when the elderly seem difficult (picky, insulting, insisting, complaining) that it most likely is a degree of dementia - it is aging that we will all go through.

You, my dear, as a nurse, are suppose to recognize the likelihood of diminishing mental processes and not have the awful attitude that you expressed in your other post. Shame on any medical personnel that would express what you expressed regarding patients.

And, this, I must say, is the reason BON's have the independence given to them by State Statutes and can discipline as they see fit to protect the public from those that should not be practicing.
Yeah right

Jasper, AL

#19 Nov 27, 2013
Mymomandme wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not on another site and I don't trash nurses. I love "good" nurses and medical people. Nothing I've said is off the top of my head. I speak only of medical records very clearly showing very serious violations - abandoning patient, mistaking mg's for mL's, etc. Would you want someone like that taking care of you or your loved one? I don't think so.
Nor do I believe that any "good" nurses out there would want someone like that working next to them.
Of course people make mistakes because they are human, but when one is so inept that they even document their own disregard for the welfare of their patient, then they need to go elsewhere for work. If they lose their job, then they did that to themselves - very obviously.
To the other poster: No, I am not posing; and I hope I am successful in keeping just one other patient from being treated the way my relative was by truly uncaring medical personnel. I have no guilt - I will celebrate when I know these people can't hurt another.
I am shocked to learn even more on this forum that many nurses do not know their State's Nurse Practice Act.
. Post # 1691 was posted by you on topix( how many nurses have lost their license thread). Yep...you're a liar. Also arrogant trying to say if we disagree with you it's because we are ignorant of the nurse practice act. You didn't understand what the nurse was trying to tell you as far as to being a POA. You get to decide on certain things not others. You clearly don't understand. Get off this site..you are cruel and toxic.
Yeah right

Jasper, AL

#20 Nov 27, 2013
Mymomandme wrote:
To cpj: Regarding your comment that patients treat you so badly: You are suppose to be bigger than that. You are suppose to realize that when people are sick, they are not themselves and may behave in a way that appears to be "ungrateful" etc. You are suppose to have the training to recognize this and ignore it, and, in fact, have compassion for that patient at all times because of the obvious pain, fear, grief, mental status, they may be in.
You must, as a good nurse, realize that when the elderly seem difficult (picky, insulting, insisting, complaining) that it most likely is a degree of dementia - it is aging that we will all go through.
You, my dear, as a nurse, are suppose to recognize the likelihood of diminishing mental processes and not have the awful attitude that you expressed in your other post. Shame on any medical personnel that would express what you expressed regarding patients.
And, this, I must say, is the reason BON's have the independence given to them by State Statutes and can discipline as they see fit to protect the public from those that should not be practicing.
. You want to pretend you have more experience and you're a jerk. You think a nurse doesn't recognize Dementia or it's effects. Patients may be difficult for hundreds of reasons. Nurses try to accommodating and most often than not put up with way too much. I once had a patient throw a tray at me because he didn't get what he had ordered to eat..I wasn't the one responsible for taking his food order! But even if I had been nobody deserves that..by the way he was a young man admitted for observation only. Another time the daughter of a patient became angry because I wasn't chatty. Her mother was very ill and I explained everything but she would never shut up and I needed to concentrate to make calculation etc and not make mistakes. Long story short she went to the manager and told her I wasn't friendly. My manager thank God took up for me since she knew me very we'll and knew what quality care I gave.
Yeah right

Jasper, AL

#21 Nov 27, 2013
That's right online troll. This is meant to be a place where nurses share and support one another. Leave this isn't for you. Quit crashing in..you're not even a nurse.

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