Jodi Arias

There are 257 comments on the ABC News story from Jan 18, 2013, titled Jodi Arias. In it, ABC News reports that:

The murder trial of Jodi Arias has been punctuated with increasingly angry calls for a mistrial and the arguments have cited a woman's claim of being stalked and menaced, suggestions of ethnic bias and personal jibes among the lawyers.

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disturbing

United States

#143 Apr 7, 2013
Cock A Doodle wrote:
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She has been described as a chameleon, taking on characteristics of those around her. I found it really creepy when it seemed she was trying to do the Single White Female thing with her female defense attorney. There is even a pic of Jodi with her arm around her defense attorney and they are both smiling. She sometimes even wore similar outfits to her attorney. Not sure if she has mimicked Alyce Violette yet, but she did wear her hair back. Will she come to court at some point with her hair all chopped off or is it too useful for her? Someone said she was hiding behind her mane when she was fake crying.
I don't know about smart, but she is not educated beyond the 11th grade and had Ds' and F's when she quit school. She is not academically smart. Cunning, manipulative, and chameleon-like but not smart. She was cunning enough to win over the expert witness who seemed to buy into her journal entries. She managed to get Alyce to get her a magazine subscription and to send her books. She says she does this with other clients.
The only thing she seems to be good at on the stand is saying "I don't know" or "I don't remember"...citing memory lapses.
she isn't winning over the experts. The $250hr won over the experts - they are paid to believe in her.
Runs In the Family

Spring, TX

#144 Apr 8, 2013


I thought maybe it was my imagination that she was always licking her lips or running her tongue over her teeth. Are these just weird mannerisms, oral fixations or things she does to get attention like changing her hairstyle?
disturbing

United States

#145 Apr 8, 2013
Runs In the Family wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =zeFCkWZcvcMXX
I thought maybe it was my imagination that she was always licking her lips or running her tongue over her teeth. Are these just weird mannerisms, oral fixations or things she does to get attention like changing her hairstyle?
I noticed that also. I think its equal to her smirks -like a confidence thing.
guest

Oakvale, WV

#146 Apr 8, 2013
I thought it might be a ploy to taker her time and come up with a new lie.
disturbing

United States

#147 Apr 9, 2013
guest wrote:
I thought it might be a ploy to taker her time and come up with a new lie.
maybe it. Was when she testified but she is. Doing it a lot. Now when defense wins an objection or witnness challenges martinez.

Since: Jan 13

Bundoora, Australia

#148 Apr 13, 2013
Guilty as Charged wrote:
<quoted text> No one is mentioning this "blood atonement" angle but I'm wondering if it somehow explains why she stabbed him in the heart and slit his throat. Either it meant something to her or she was thinking the murder might be blamed on a fanatic.
I have looked at this from so many angles. I am just amazed she could do it by herself.
I was reading posts elsewhere and there was a discussion about the dura mater being intact. I had a look at an image of the brain. the dura mater is a tough covering of the brain. Has anyone seen images of where the skull was actually penetrated. One poster has said strenuously that the brain was not injured as the ME stated and that is why it makes sense that Travis was shot first, the .25 not being very powerful did not stun him as the ME stated. And further Flores said he had a conversation with the ME where the ME stated that the bullet was first. Why did the ME then turn around and say at court the bullet was last? It nearly caused a mistrial. Do you remember because Flores is considered to have perjured. I think the ME has perjured because if she bothered to steal the gun then why not shoot him first? The reason that it is a DP is because if he was dead or nearly dead when he was shot as per the ME explanation then it is considered considerably heinous. However with Jodi's version of shooting first then it is an escalation of a fight. Maybe she did go there to shoot him and it is her grandparent's gun. Maybe she thought that would be enough with gun, but it jammed and she had to move onto stabbing him. The next question is why was the knife upstairs? Then do we believe the bondage story or not?

Since: Jan 13

Bundoora, Australia

#149 Apr 13, 2013
Oasis wrote:
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In her testimony she never really admits shooting Travis. She had the gun, it went off, she didn't see blood, wasn't sure she hit him.
There are many appeal issues with this trial. All the hearsay from Mimmi. Tire slashin'? Doggie door?
When Jodi walked in on Lisa Andrews and Travis, Jodi says he chased her down in his car. Wonder how Lisa remembers it? I don't recall anyone asking Lisa about what Travis' reaction was to the encounter. I think it's pretty important, IF Travis went after Jodi when she turned and left the house.
On a side note:
How in the hell did Nurmi get access to Travis' electronic communications with all these other women?
Does that not infringe on these other ladies' "privacy rights"? Damn, it blows me away......really.
Let this be a lesson to us all!!!!!
wouldn't all electronic records be available to both sides.
MacB

United States

#150 Apr 13, 2013
Pharmabill - You're trying to put too many round pegs into square holes. The truth is pretty simple, and the logic follows the evidence. She premeditated the murder, covered her tracks, either gave him one last option to be with her or tormented him, telling him he was going to die, then she either stabbed him in the heart in the shower (or very doubtfully shot him first). He got out of the shower, which she had not planned and almost escaped when she cut his throat. She dragged him back to the shower, he may have still been moving or making noise, so she shot him because it annoyed her or freaked her out (most likely). Then she cleaned up, tried to cover her tracks, ground her crotch on another guy, went home - completely unbothered, and began executing a coverup, and lied and lied and lied even in the face if the most obvious evidence. She's evil, malicious, vicious, deceitful, and completely without conscience. That's the explanation that fits the evidence perfectly, so that's highly probable what happened. End of story.
MacB

United States

#151 Apr 13, 2013
Flores and the ME had one simple miscommunication, nothing more. Asking for a mistrial and accusing them of perjury was no more appropriate than them asking for a mistrial because it's not fair that the evidence is so heavily stacked against their client she has little chance of lying her way out of it. They have a guilty client, they're desperate and trying every trick in the book to get her out of it.
really

United States

#152 Apr 13, 2013
MacB wrote:
Flores and the ME had one simple miscommunication, nothing more. Asking for a mistrial and accusing them of perjury was no more appropriate than them asking for a mistrial because it's not fair that the evidence is so heavily stacked against their client she has little chance of lying her way out of it. They have a guilty client, they're desperate and trying every trick in the book to get her out of it.
I was just reading through some of my text....and my goodness....without knowing both sides-how could anyone know what was really behind them? For example a guy friend text me " Legs looking really good this morning." He was talking About my horse he nicknamed legs! Text should not be allowed in court as evidence. In addition their are countless times I've received or sent a text and interpreted it the wrong way.
Oasis

Rougemont, NC

#153 Apr 13, 2013
Pharmabill wrote:
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wouldn't all electronic records be available to both sides.
I didn't think they would be.
I didn't think a judge would go beyond the defendant's and the victim's "talk".
To allow the psychotherapist to analyze them is very surprising to me.
These communications have nothing to do with the murder case against Jodi.

Truly amazes me what folks will put in writing....
Oasis

Rougemont, NC

#154 Apr 13, 2013
really wrote:
<quoted text> I was just reading through some of my text....and my goodness....without knowing both sides-how could anyone know what was really behind them? For example a guy friend text me " Legs looking really good this morning." He was talking About my horse he nicknamed legs! Text should not be allowed in court as evidence. In addition their are countless times I've received or sent a text and interpreted it the wrong way.
Su-u-u-re he was!!!

"Legs" gettin' lucky? J/K
wooden spoon

United States

#155 Apr 14, 2013
I don't think AL or Samuels. Believed in jodi - I think they thought thhey were smart enough to pull it off. & it would promote their books & careers. They Both had attitudes that everyone needs to respect them because they are EXPERT so they resented being questioned. Also jodi's buddies in jail & tweeting for her - are all supporting her to be in the limelight of a high profile case..if she gets convicted - they won't have any use for her anymore..

Since: Jan 13

Bundoora, Australia

#156 Apr 14, 2013
MacB wrote:
Pharmabill - You're trying to put too many round pegs into square holes. The truth is pretty simple, and the logic follows the evidence. She premeditated the murder, covered her tracks, either gave him one last option to be with her or tormented him, telling him he was going to die, then she either stabbed him in the heart in the shower (or very doubtfully shot him first). He got out of the shower, which she had not planned and almost escaped when she cut his throat. She dragged him back to the shower, he may have still been moving or making noise, so she shot him because it annoyed her or freaked her out (most likely). Then she cleaned up, tried to cover her tracks, ground her crotch on another guy, went home - completely unbothered, and began executing a coverup, and lied and lied and lied even in the face if the most obvious evidence. She's evil, malicious, vicious, deceitful, and completely without conscience. That's the explanation that fits the evidence perfectly, so that's highly probable what happened. End of story.
If it is so obvious then why did she steal the gun to stab him to death? Jm version is fantasy. something else went down.

Since: Jan 13

Bundoora, Australia

#157 Apr 14, 2013
Oasis wrote:
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Su-u-u-re he was!!!
"Legs" gettin' lucky? J/K
not to mention autocorrect...

Since: Jan 13

Bundoora, Australia

#158 Apr 14, 2013
MacB wrote:
Flores and the ME had one simple miscommunication, nothing more. Asking for a mistrial and accusing them of perjury was no more appropriate than them asking for a mistrial because it's not fair that the evidence is so heavily stacked against their client she has little chance of lying her way out of it. They have a guilty client, they're desperate and trying every trick in the book to get her out of it.
Except they did have the conversation and for some reason the ME decided to throw his cards in to help JM

why steal a gun just to stab someone to death?
I can believe stealing a gun, not realising a .25 is really a toy doing little damage and then Travis angry chases after her. She would then have to improvise and start stabbing him.
For DP the gunshot had to be done for no reason. ME said he was already dead because there was little or no blood pressure and little bleeding...except the police evidence pictures show Travis with a bloody nose in spite of being showered off.
JM has lost the trial. He chose the scenic route with his explanation. the ME went along for the ride. Should have stuck to the truth.
Black Spanx

Spring, TX

#159 Apr 15, 2013
I believe the manner in which he was killed was to throw off her doing it and try to convince people that it was some kind of ritual killing or blood atonement.
If she did it that way, points to premeditation or am I following the wrong path?

On her 48 hours storytelling, she claimed she got a death threat on a written piece of paper but that she ripped it up and got rid of it. It's funny that she only received that one. She was trying to plant the seed that maybe she was a pawn and had to go along with saying she did it.

I have read a throat slit like his would cause someone to bleed out quickly.

All I know is that the person who did this knows the truth. In my experience, having instances where someone come after you with intent to choke, threatening to kill, etches it in your brain, not erases it. Also, a big guy would have at least gotten a couple of chances to get some licks in if he charged her in the closet, not the shower. None of her stories make any sense.
MacB

Los Angeles, CA

#160 Apr 15, 2013
Pharmabill wrote:
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Except they did have the conversation and for some reason the ME decided to throw his cards in to help JM
why steal a gun just to stab someone to death?
I can believe stealing a gun, not realising a .25 is really a toy doing little damage and then Travis angry chases after her. She would then have to improvise and start stabbing him.
For DP the gunshot had to be done for no reason. ME said he was already dead because there was little or no blood pressure and little bleeding...except the police evidence pictures show Travis with a bloody nose in spite of being showered off.
JM has lost the trial. He chose the scenic route with his explanation. the ME went along for the ride. Should have stuck to the truth.
I think the MEs job is to work with homicide detectives and by extension the DA to first help explain the cause and manner of death, and work with the forensics team to put together a theory based on the forensic evidence at the scene (including the body). It's not like an ME throws his cards in to "help" anyone, specifically. He just reports findings. If the forensics didn't line up with the prosecutors theory (or vice versa) he (and the other forensic investigators) would essentially be testifying for the defense.

No idea what was in JAs mind when she stole the gun. All I can do is look at what the evidence shows. I believe the prosecution basically has it right, based on the evidence. I guess we just disagree about that. No worries, mate.

Since: Jan 13

Bundoora, Australia

#161 Apr 16, 2013
MacB wrote:
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I think the MEs job is to work with homicide detectives and by extension the DA to first help explain the cause and manner of death, and work with the forensics team to put together a theory based on the forensic evidence at the scene (including the body). It's not like an ME throws his cards in to "help" anyone, specifically. He just reports findings. If the forensics didn't line up with the prosecutors theory (or vice versa) he (and the other forensic investigators) would essentially be testifying for the defense.
No idea what was in JAs mind when she stole the gun. All I can do is look at what the evidence shows. I believe the prosecution basically has it right, based on the evidence. I guess we just disagree about that. No worries, mate.
Sure the ME and LE work with the DA. However, the sequence is important in terms of depravity of the crime.
Flores said he had a conversation with the ME and the initial idea was the gun was first. That is what Flores testified. I just don't get why she would steal a gun to then stab someone to death. It is a big risk just by virtue that Travis was bigger and reasonably fit since he worked out with the punching bag. I just think shooting him first would make more sense for a woman to do if she wants to win the fight. I think turning the sequence around so the stabbing comes last in order to get the depravity of shooting an essentially dead person, might be the thing that makes them lose the case.

Since: Jan 13

Bundoora, Australia

#162 Apr 16, 2013
Black Spanx wrote:
I believe the manner in which he was killed was to throw off her doing it and try to convince people that it was some kind of ritual killing or blood atonement.
If she did it that way, points to premeditation or am I following the wrong path?
On her 48 hours storytelling, she claimed she got a death threat on a written piece of paper but that she ripped it up and got rid of it. It's funny that she only received that one. She was trying to plant the seed that maybe she was a pawn and had to go along with saying she did it.
I have read a throat slit like his would cause someone to bleed out quickly.
All I know is that the person who did this knows the truth. In my experience, having instances where someone come after you with intent to choke, threatening to kill, etches it in your brain, not erases it. Also, a big guy would have at least gotten a couple of chances to get some licks in if he charged her in the closet, not the shower. None of her stories make any sense.
That could work. It makes more sense than some of the other versions. I don't believe she doesn't remember but as a court tactic I think Nurmi was right. the most obvious question that JM could ask would be was 1 stab enough? 5? 10? 15? at what point did you decide you were safe? Why did you slit his throat? then he would use a knife and a watermelon and act it out and try to cut it in two. Nurmi outstmarted JM. I think it is funny that everyone is saying JM is such a clever man blah blah blah.
winning a trial is as much about what is left out as what is put in. No trial ever shows all the evidence.

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