Jodi Arias

Jan 18, 2013 Full story: ABC News 256

The murder trial of Jodi Arias has been punctuated with increasingly angry calls for a mistrial and the arguments have cited a woman's claim of being stalked and menaced, suggestions of ethnic bias and personal jibes among the lawyers.

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MacB

Los Angeles, CA

#62 Feb 19, 2013
Oh, when you put it that way, sure! Why didn't you say so in the first place?

(But seriously, dude - you really think JA's hot? I mean, I can see arguing to give Kate Upton a free pass on basically whatever. Beyonce. Giselle. A.J. McCarron's g.f. Those girls are hot. But JA? Without an awful lot of cosmetic help, she's really kind of a troll, no?)

Since: Jan 13

Merrylands, Australia

#63 Feb 19, 2013
MacB wrote:
LA Guy - No. No evidence to indicate TA ever engaged as a "Dom" with anyone else - or really even sex, that I'm aware of. He's just a guy talking dirty because a girl says it turns her on. I think you are associating everything through your experience and trying to justify a murder/ attempted cover-up through an extremely far fetched, baseless theory. Your personal experiences and/or personal attraction to JA (i.e. That you could've "handled her" as you said) does not qualify you to make clinical edicts.
BPD/NPD is plenty dangerous enough on its own. And it actually fits the facts and JA's behavior prior to and after murder. She's not 'crazy' in the sense that she didn't know what she was doing and that it was wrong - and rationalizing and justifying herself (as you both are doing) is classic BPD avoidance of personal responsibility and "distortion" or "smear" campaign. I could go on and on about how the clinical aspects match with the behavior - literally hundreds if not thousands of examples in the information that's on the record.
I can only hope that no member of the jury is as taken by JA and secceptible to her bullshit as you appear to be. This 'abuse' is a total CON a murderer is using to avoid responsiblity for her pre-meditated, vicious, unwarranted actions and you are falling for it (and even embellishing it) hook, line, sinker, rod, reel and boat.
I guess I keep responding to you because it's annoying to see an example of the kind of enabling these sociopaths can manipulate others into in order to help them obscure reality, cover their tracks, evade responsibility for their actions and in this case, try to get away with murder. But like the man said - there's one born every minute.
I think they both allowed themselves to go down this path. I am not sure there was any sort of contract as per usual bdsm relationship. The thing is it takes certain personalities to take both roles. Eg Lisa found Travis sexually aggressive and she didn't like it. She drew a line. Jodi did not draw that line. The question is, was her behaviour due to her innate personality or was she so desperate to be with travis that she said yes to everything. I think in light of the fact that she had ryan on the backburner, makes me think that she had wanted to leave the situation with Travis but he would not let her go and she did not have the determination to go by herself. There were 10 phone calls she made to him and he never answered. But he made two calls to her and they lasted 20minutes and 40 minutes. So for someone who didn't want her in his life he gave very mixed messages. I think it is very feasible that he was aggressive physically. jodi testified that her mother broke her brother's wrist while disciplining him. I wonder if that was ever fixed. I wonder if there is a family habit of hiding the shame.
Told u so

Albemarle, NC

#64 Feb 20, 2013
Travis use arias for sex he thought of him self as the man he did her like he did other women play the morman thing but arias got tried of his shit he got what he ask for
MacB

Kent, WA

#65 Feb 20, 2013
TYS. Wow. Then I suppose you're also for justifying rape using the "she asked for it" defense. Like "Well, she went on a date with him," or "well, she wasn't wearing a burqua and a locked chasitity belt at the time." And for carjacking/ homicide, "Well, if he hadn't been driving a car, or stopped at that particular redlight at that time, he wouldn't be dead." Your claim is bizarre and devoid of reason.

Far as I know, it is legal in Az to have consensual sex, whether you're Mormon (or Baptist, Catholic, Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, Hari Krishna, Wiccan, vampire, whatever) or not. Separation of church and state, remember? If this was a Muslim caliphate, different story. But it's not. And if being a hypocrite, presenting a favorable image, and/or keeping secrets - or even just lying - is justifiably punishable by brutal ambush murder, then we all better watch our backs. Or, on the other hand, you could move to a radical Muslim caliphate, where I'm sure you'd find fundamental Koran-banging supporters... at least until you were stoned to death for being a woman, an infidel or both.

Told u so wrote:
Travis use arias for sex he thought of him self as the man he did her like he did other women play the morman thing but arias got tried of his shit he got what he ask for
MacB

Los Angeles, CA

#66 Feb 20, 2013
Clearly they were in a dysfunctional toxic co-dependent relationship - I just think TA played the would-be hero/rescuer role, but eventually he realized something was way wrong and wanted out - and JA played the helpless waif/ victim and used guilt and feigned vulnerability to control him (the dependent party, while seeming weaker, is often actually the abuser and passive-aggressive controller in co-dependent relationships.) JA is provocative and seductive - especially to a conservative guy like TA (look up "taboo") and he kept getting sucked back in by his desires and her needs/ guilting/ offers of sex/ manipulations (look up BPD "hoovering"). When this stopped working and she realized she couldn't control him or the relationship, JA felt perfectly justified in killing him (look up BPD/NPD rage and BPD "splitting"). All TA had to do was say no to her. That's it. For other consistencies - take a look at BPD "distortion/smear campaign", BPD/NPD "projection", BPD reaction to "perceived or real abandonment/ rejection", BPD demeanor when lying, BPD "blaming to avoid personal responsibility". Even her saying "yes" all the time is due to a desperate need for acceptance. Before you start to feel too sorry for her, this is only "needed" so she can latch on and form a self-dealing, parasitic relationship, because she feels entitled to use any person as a tool to obtain her own ends. She jumped in the other guys arms the next day because she simply did not care what she'd just done - she felt no guilt or responsibility for TAs murder, because she lacks that fundamental capacity.

Scott Peck, MD, wrote a book about personality/character disordered/sociopath individuals called "People of the Lie." These people can appear absolutely normal at first blush, but he recognizes them as "evil". He asks what a "normal" (having normal capacity for empathy, sense of personal responsibility right and wrong, and a conscience) person's reaction is when confronted with an "evil" individual. Seems like "fear" or "revulsion" would top the list. But they don't. Confusion does. Because any "normal" simply cannot fathom a sociopathic, personality disordered individual's mind. You're seeking to attribute "normal" human reactions and rational cause and effect to a person that is missing some very vital mental and emotional components (not that she's "crazy". She knows right from wrong, she just ignores it when it suits her). All TA had to do was deny her what she wanted and felt entitled to. The rest of it is noise.
Pharmabill wrote:
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I think they both allowed themselves to go down this path. I am not sure there was any sort of contract as per usual bdsm relationship. The thing is it takes certain personalities to take both roles. Eg Lisa found Travis sexually aggressive and she didn't like it. She drew a line. Jodi did not draw that line. The question is, was her behaviour due to her innate personality or was she so desperate to be with travis that she said yes to everything. I think in light of the fact that she had ryan on the backburner, makes me think that she had wanted to leave the situation with Travis but he would not let her go and she did not have the determination to go by herself. There were 10 phone calls she made to him and he never answered. But he made two calls to her and they lasted 20minutes and 40 minutes. So for someone who didn't want her in his life he gave very mixed messages. I think it is very feasible that he was aggressive physically. jodi testified that her mother broke her brother's wrist while disciplining him. I wonder if that was ever fixed. I wonder if there is a family habit of hiding the shame.
Layla_22

Atlanta, GA

#67 Feb 22, 2013
Jodi is "overcharged"? The B...h should burn in hell. She was never abused, and she has manipulated and abused others. She went there with the intentions of doing what she did....to murder him. to chop him up! All the wounds and the bullet to his head clearly say so. If she remotely was afraid of him, which she wasn't, she would have cut him ot shot him once then ran. She stayed there and made chop suey out of him. that was pure jealousy and rage, when she found out he was going on a trip with another woman. And that is the truth!

Since: Jan 13

Merrylands, Australia

#68 Feb 23, 2013
Layla_22 wrote:
Jodi is "overcharged"? The B...h should burn in hell. She was never abused, and she has manipulated and abused others. She went there with the intentions of doing what she did....to murder him. to chop him up! All the wounds and the bullet to his head clearly say so. If she remotely was afraid of him, which she wasn't, she would have cut him ot shot him once then ran. She stayed there and made chop suey out of him. that was pure jealousy and rage, when she found out he was going on a trip with another woman. And that is the truth!
She had over 12 hours to make chop suey of him if that was her intention.
Something happened very quickly to change the situation.
MacB

Kent, WA

#69 Feb 23, 2013
Actually, it was what DIDN'T change - which was TA's answer after all her efforts to seduce him back into the relationship, and/or taking her to Cancun. It was still "No." So she killed him.
Pharmabill wrote:
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She had over 12 hours to make chop suey of him if that was her intention.
Something happened very quickly to change the situation.
whataboutcaylee

Tavares, FL

#70 Feb 24, 2013
Life wrote:
I do believe Jodi loves Travis even though they had a dark day. Aswell I believe Travis would want know harm to Jodi.
Wes
I'd call that a hell of a dark day for Travis!(p.s. take some spelling lessons in your spare time)
whataboutcaylee

Tavares, FL

#71 Feb 24, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
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Hello
I have attempted to educate you in the past, but I will give it to you en-breve one more time. Think in wrms of self defense and or battered woman syndrome. Multiple gruesome wounds is not uncommon in cases when they kill their male lover. Does not in and of itself prove the elements of first degree murder, nor any crime when self defense can be established. Prosecution must also prove that Jody intended to kill Travis when he let her in the house, otherwise it does not reach the level of premeditation.
All day kinky sex, ropes and BDSM esque relationship. This is a low degree Manslaughter case at best. Something happen when he was cleaning up in the shower, further debasement, which pushed her over the edge.
All of her lying and running, is not uncommon in these type of cases, althiough she should have called 911 and stayed at the scene. Some battered women do this, but most flee.
I have nothing against Travis, he was enjoying himself with a hot willing Jody, but there can be deadly conseguences to BDSM sex games. Travis was a good guy, but young and still arrogant and lacked soohistication.
Did you catch the interviews last week with another doe eyed young Latina who he was grooming. He had her assigned to picking up dog poop and running errands for him. She wouild stay in his Master bedroom all alone for many hours and his roomates did not even know she was in the house.
I could have handled Jody and nothing bad would have happen.
I think there are more arrogant SOB's on Topix but I don't know where they are. What are you, seriously, to teach anybody on here anything? Were you appointed?

And who cares that you could handle Jodi with or without anyone getting hurt? You should tell that to the 1-2 threads you missed pontificating on...
La La Land

Bethlehem, PA

#72 Feb 28, 2013
Pharmabill wrote:
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She had over 12 hours to make chop suey of him if that was her intention.
Something happened very quickly to change the situation.
She was probably hoping that after they had a romp in the hay, Travis would change his mind about taking another woman to Cancun. He very likely refused to change his mind and Jodi then went ballistic on him. In her twisted mind, Jodi probably felt that she could persuade Travis to do what she wanted him to do. Travis probably realized at that point that he wasn't going to convince her that it was over. I'm guessing that he likely told her to leave and she then went into a fit of rage. It appears that Jodi wasn't going to take no for an answer. Travis biggest and fatal mistake was letting her in the door that day. Maybe that wouldn't have mattered since she had 3 gas cans. One of those gas can may have been intended to set his place on fire, just in case he refused to see her that one last time.
cecelia

Wichita, KS

#73 Mar 1, 2013
Told u so wrote:
Travis use arias for sex he thought of him self as the man he did her like he did other women play the morman thing but arias got tried of his shit he got what he ask for
She did her more than fair share of initiating, you can't be used unless YOU allow that to happen. it didn't work out for her throwing the brazilian in his face and sucking him off. he was still going to take another woman to mexico and she wasn't having any of that. i think the "you'll do anything with a gun pointed at your head" and f'ing idiot were jodis projecting what she did to TA.
THEN write an email 3 days later this sick bitch needs stuck twice with dirty needles then fried in the chair
Lonnie

Cookeville, TN

#74 Mar 2, 2013
I think she is a sweetheart.
Let me be perfectly clear, I think
she is a victim.
She needs to be turned loose and given all the help she needs. There are many victims out here and many are drawing a check too.
MacB

Los Angeles, CA

#75 Mar 2, 2013
Dude, If I thought you were being serious, I'd seriously advise you get some help yourself. But as we all know, the only victim in this case is very dead, and the only abuser is the malicious, controlling, conniving, deceitful, manipulative sociopath who obviously should be locked away and studied like any malignant, parasitic disease, and with the same intention. Get rid of it forever.
Lonnie wrote:
I think she is a sweetheart.
Let me be perfectly clear, I think
she is a victim.
She needs to be turned loose and given all the help she needs. There are many victims out here and many are drawing a check too.
TrialWatcher

Warrensburg, NY

#76 Mar 3, 2013
She May have planned to kill Mimi(the girl who was going with Travis)but decided to kill him instead,Either way she planned to kill someone
Stan

Mission Viejo, CA

#77 Mar 6, 2013
Jodi Arias has BORDERLINE PERSONALITY DISORDER. It is the closest thing to pure evil on earth. In addition to sucking the life out of people around them and sometimes taking it as far as killing, Borderlines are brilliant, scary-brilliant at convincing people like you that they are victims.
Lonnie

Cookeville, TN

#78 Mar 6, 2013
I do not see how so many believe all the lies the state is throwing toward this young innocent victim.
I think she done this in self-defense. She is clearly a victim of this mans control. I think this is a way she was free from his control.
There has been too much press on this, therefore I think they will have to give her a little time to keep down the controversy.
cecelia

Wichita, KS

#79 Mar 7, 2013
Lonnie wrote:
I do not see how so many believe all the lies the state is throwing toward this young innocent victim.
I think she done this in self-defense. She is clearly a victim of this mans control. I think this is a way she was free from his control.
There has been too much press on this, therefore I think they will have to give her a little time to keep down the controversy.
She WAS free from his control OBVIOUSLY as she already had her new pony saddled up & waiting in Utah. this skank threw her brazilian in his face hoping to get him to change his mind, when that didn't work she decided HE wasn't going either.
how many times did that stupid C U Next Tuesday have to be told she was a slut, a 3 hole wonder and yet keep going back for more. NO symapthy for her she KNEW she was NOTHING BUT a booty call and she was FINE with that why else would you keep going back for anal and oral? cause she's a psycho and TA wouldn't take her to mexico much less marry her
JMHOP i think she cut his throat so she didn't have to hear his death rattles and moans, heartless skank needs injected while she's in the chair
Am i the only one

Johnson City, TN

#80 Mar 7, 2013
I'm sorry but I do not believe Jodi Arias had the intent to kill Travis. If she did, why wouldn't she kill him As soon as she got there? Why have sex with him and take all these pictures? I believe he was abusive and she killed to save herself.
MacB

Los Angeles, CA

#81 Mar 7, 2013
I hope you're the only one. There's tons of clinical/ behavioral explanations in this little blog that make a whole lot more sense than the "abuse" theory. It is categorically not true, and at this point, it would be crystal clear if it was.

Look tp Borderline Personality Disorder, Narcissistic Personality Disorder and you will have your answer. People like JA are fully capable of going into an extreme rage for a perceived slight, perceived abandonment, or simply not getting their way. She feels entitled to take whatever she wants with impunity, and rationalize and justify her way out of. The scary part is - if you read and really understand what personality disorders are all about, you'll probably realize there's someone you know that has it - and who's behavior is unreasonable, and inexplicable to you, even though they appear pretty normal most of the time.
Am i the only one wrote:
I'm sorry but I do not believe Jodi Arias had the intent to kill Travis. If she did, why wouldn't she kill him As soon as she got there? Why have sex with him and take all these pictures? I believe he was abusive and she killed to save herself.

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