Jodi Arias

Jan 18, 2013 Full story: ABC News 252

The murder trial of Jodi Arias has been punctuated with increasingly angry calls for a mistrial and the arguments have cited a woman's claim of being stalked and menaced, suggestions of ethnic bias and personal jibes among the lawyers.

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My blue lillac

Royal Oak, MI

#22 Jan 31, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
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Well said, Marcy, with the exception of characterizing the defense team as immature. Yes, Mr Martinez and Det Flores should be commended. The problem with this case, is that Jody has been overcharged. This is not a first degree murder, much less a death penalty case. The general public, do not understand the law in these matters. Mr Martinez no doubt knows in his heart, that this is realy a Manslaughter case, but no doubt the decision was not made by him, but by the elected DA and his top staff. People do not like to hear it, but Jody also has a valid battered women defense.
Keep in mind, that in a homicide involving lovers, it is not uncommon for multiple gruesome wounds. Battered women will also pre-arm themselves, which does not in and of itself prove premeditation. One noted Phoenix area attorney was recently interviewed and commented that the prosecution must prove that Jody intended to kill Travis, when she entered his place, which may prove difficult.
Travis was sexually Dominant and they were in a quasi BDSM relationship. Oh, yes, ropes, verbal abuse, roughing her up.
A day of kinky BDSM tinged sex, both of them apparently enjoyed it (some poeople do). When he was cleaning up in the shower, he said or did something which debased her further and she snaped. Jody was in a fragile mental state, which must be kept in mind.
First of all, I disagree with you that Jodi has been overcharged; the prosecution got it exactly right charging Jodi Arias with first-degree murder! Keep in mind, circumstantial evidence strongly indicates that Jodi took or, stole that gun from her grandparents house. If Jodi did take that gun from her grandparents house that points to criminal intent; unless she took it for self-protection on that long drive to Arizona to reconnect with Travis, which I higly doubt it that she took that gun for self-protection. Bear in mind, Jodi was not afraid to sleep at night in her car on the way to Arizona so that to me says she was not afraid of someone bothering her, let alone trying to kill or rape her. Most women would not sleep alone in their car at night on a long trip. They would check into a hotel. Jodi did not check into a motel, because she did not want to leave a trail of her journey. I believe Jodi went there to kill Travis, period. Jodi intended to use that gun on Travis. That woman is definitely guilty of first-degree murder, period. I really hope she gets the death penalty, because she deserves to be dead. The hideous, agonizing torture she inflicted on Travis screams out for justice; her justice should be death, period!

ItchItchitchie

Carnegie, PA

#23 Feb 5, 2013
why is she trying to MIRROR killer TOT MOM CASEY ANTHONY in looks and all that?
Amanda Hauptman

Duluth, GA

#24 Feb 8, 2013
I believe her I think she snapped due to his sick sex life he made her feel less then In and just wanted to make him happy and her fairy tale life she wanted I think all the degrading he did to her she snapped and then it cost him his life, hard to know of it should cost hers either way it has she will never have all she wanted a man that love her and kids so sad
MacB

Los Angeles, CA

#25 Feb 8, 2013
The evidence best indicates that a woman with a severe personality disorder killed an ex-boyfriend in a "borderline rage" because she didn't get her way. It was clearly premeditated, evidenced by her actions before and after the murder (gas cans, bringing weapons, lying about where she was going, lying about where she'd been, etc.). I think she drove to AZ, covertly and trying to cover her tracks, having made the decision: either she would seduce him and manipulate him back into the relationship - or, IF HE REFUSED, she had made up her mind to kill him. Yes, TA might have said something in the shower that triggered his murder. He might have told a manipulative, deceitful, controlling, entitled, possessive and very malicious (when she didn't get her way) personality disordered sociopath that the answer was "No." Like he'd told her dozens of times before. And that was enough for JA to justify carrying out plan B. Because in her twisted reality, a man deserved to die simply for displeasing her. The abuse stuff is a smokescreen to distort and confuse the truth. She drove hundreds of miles on her own initiative to try to salvage a non-abusive relationship with someone she had counted on to be her meal ticket, and when it didn't work (especially after she "gave" him sex), she felt entitled to kill him. To try to link this to BWS is to do a tremendous disservice to those who actually suffer that kind of abuse. She's clearly the abuser, and when you get past this invented attempt to deflect and confuse (pay no attention to the man behind the curtain) her deceptions, distortions, manipulations and lies are transparent, and the facts scream for themselves.
MacB

Los Angeles, CA

#26 Feb 8, 2013
And yes, in hindsight it's pretty clear TA shouldn't have allowed her into his home or kept having sex with her. Had she warned him what she might do if he displeased her, I seriously doubt he would have. But I'm sure she was very nice to TA, too - right up until she wasn't. And yes, there are boyfriends she didn't kill. But maybe these ex-boyfriends couldn't have afforded her the life she saw with TA, so she dated them for the attention until a bigger better deal like TA came along (I think the previous guy was losing his house). But she would be 'nice' to most people because she craves admiration and craves being liked. In fact, these people appear very normal to those who aren't too close to them or haven't displeased them. They're cool with people who buy their act, feed their ego and don't confront them on anything. It's when someone stops doing what they want or starts seeing them for who they really are that the rage, malice and vengefulness appears. But JA is not crazy. She's perfectly sane, she knows right from wrong (she just doesn't feel the rules should apply to her) and she should absolutely be held 100% accountable and responsible for her actions.

“LEST WE FORGET...”

Since: Apr 09

MT DORA FL

#27 Feb 8, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
Well said, Marcy, with the exception of characterizing the defense team as immature. Yes, Mr Martinez and Det Flores should be commended. The problem with this case, is that Jody has been overcharged. This is not a first degree murder, much less a death penalty case. The general public, do not understand the law in these matters. Mr Martinez no doubt knows in his heart, that this is realy a Manslaughter case, but no doubt the decision was not made by him, but by the elected DA and his top staff. People do not like to hear it, but Jody also has a valid battered women defense.
Keep in mind, that in a homicide involving lovers, it is not uncommon for multiple gruesome wounds. Battered women will also pre-arm themselves, which does not in and of itself prove premeditation. One noted Phoenix area attorney was recently interviewed and commented that the prosecution must prove that Jody intended to kill Travis, when she entered his place, which may prove difficult.
Travis was sexually Dominant and they were in a quasi BDSM relationship. Oh, yes, ropes, verbal abuse, roughing her up.
A day of kinky BDSM tinged sex, both of them apparently enjoyed it (some poeople do). When he was cleaning up in the shower, he said or did something which debased her further and she snaped. Jody was in a fragile mental state, which must be kept in mind.
In a murder involving "lovers" does the murdering party usually arrive at the victims aprtment many many miles away with a 5"knife,
a loaded handgun, and a picture to record the grusome "lovers quarrel"? Wake up, for God's sake. An FBI profiler of 25 years (DeLong) said on tv recently that the number one reason for this type of murder is JEALOUSY. Does that ring true at all? Listening today I heard Jodi mention sbout Travis' attention to another at least 3 times - just today!

“LEST WE FORGET...”

Since: Apr 09

MT DORA FL

#28 Feb 8, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
Well said, Marcy, with the exception of characterizing the defense team as immature. Yes, Mr Martinez and Det Flores should be commended. The problem with this case, is that Jody has been overcharged. This is not a first degree murder, much less a death penalty case. The general public, do not understand the law in these matters. Mr Martinez no doubt knows in his heart, that this is realy a Manslaughter case, but no doubt the decision was not made by him, but by the elected DA and his top staff. People do not like to hear it, but Jody also has a valid battered women defense.
Keep in mind, that in a homicide involving lovers, it is not uncommon for multiple gruesome wounds. Battered women will also pre-arm themselves, which does not in and of itself prove premeditation. One noted Phoenix area attorney was recently interviewed and commented that the prosecution must prove that Jody intended to kill Travis, when she entered his place, which may prove difficult.
Travis was sexually Dominant and they were in a quasi BDSM relationship. Oh, yes, ropes, verbal abuse, roughing her up.
A day of kinky BDSM tinged sex, both of them apparently enjoyed it (some poeople do). When he was cleaning up in the shower, he said or did something which debased her further and she snaped. Jody was in a fragile mental state, which must be kept in mind.
"A fragile mental state"? What orafice did that come out of??
Oh, did Jodi tell us? Right...she is noted for her high level of honesty...

“LEST WE FORGET...”

Since: Apr 09

MT DORA FL

#29 Feb 8, 2013
JerseyGrl wrote:
This case is not hard guys. Of course its first degree murder. Your telling me if a man stole a gun, rented a car to drive all that way, had sex witb an exgirl, slit her thoat, stabbed her 29 times, and shot her in the face, you would think it wasnt first degree murder? Comon now.You CANT possibly be that taken in by a cute face and a tightass! Just because he was a player(if thats really the case) doesnt dismis the fact that you cant take someone elses life...no matter what she looks like.
Oh thank God. I was beginning to believe there was no sanity on this thread.

“LEST WE FORGET...”

Since: Apr 09

MT DORA FL

#30 Feb 8, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
Hello
I have attempted to educate you in the past, but I will give it to you en-breve one more time. Think in wrms of self defense and or battered woman syndrome. Multiple gruesome wounds is not uncommon in cases when they kill their male lover. Does not in and of itself prove the elements of first degree murder, nor any crime when self defense can be established. Prosecution must also prove that Jody intended to kill Travis when he let her in the house, otherwise it does not reach the level of premeditation.
All day kinky sex, ropes and BDSM esque relationship. This is a low degree Manslaughter case at best. Something happen when he was cleaning up in the shower, further debasement, which pushed her over the edge.
All of her lying and running, is not uncommon in these type of cases, althiough she should have called 911 and stayed at the scene. Some battered women do this, but most flee.
I have nothing against Travis, he was enjoying himself with a hot willing Jody, but there can be deadly conseguences to BDSM sex games. Travis was a good guy, but young and still arrogant and lacked soohistication.
Did you catch the interviews last week with another doe eyed young Latina who he was grooming. He had her assigned to picking up dog poop and running errands for him. She wouild stay in his Master bedroom all alone for many hours and his roomates did not even know she was in the house.
I could have handled Jody and nothing bad would have happen.
Wow! Your arrogance meter is over the top!...and you have nothing against Travis? Well isn't that big of you...!
Georgia

Alexandria, VA

#31 Feb 9, 2013
Unbelievable...that is what most of you posting are..Murder is murder...people get treated wrong ever day...they move on...You kill someone (especially while they are in the shower) ie..psycho...you are going to jail.. Maybe she should have gone for an insanity plea instead of coming up with three other separate excuses
LA Guy

Los Angeles, CA

#32 Feb 9, 2013
whataboutcaylee wrote:
<quoted text>
"A fragile mental state"? What orafice did that come out of??
Oh, did Jodi tell us? Right...she is noted for her high level of honesty...
In your longer posts, you merely repeat a chronology of events, but fail to think. Like most of those of lower IQ, herd mentality, you are predictable.

Here's some data for you.

Common for battered women to pre-arm themselves, does not prove premediation.

Common to run and deny, even when it was self defense and/or diminished capacity.

There was a BDSM sub dom aspect, which breaks down the mind.
Georgia

Alexandria, VA

#33 Feb 9, 2013
And will someone please remove that smirk off Jodis face when she is testifying
Georgia

Alexandria, VA

#34 Feb 9, 2013
Georgia wrote:
And will someone please remove that smirk off Jodis face when she is testifying


I don't find any of it amusing or funny...

Since: Jan 13

Merrylands, Australia

#35 Feb 9, 2013
My blue lillac wrote:
<quoted text>First of all, I disagree with you that Jodi has been overcharged; the prosecution got it exactly right charging Jodi Arias with first-degree murder! Keep in mind, circumstantial evidence strongly indicates that Jodi took or, stole that gun from her grandparents house. If Jodi did take that gun from her grandparents house that points to criminal intent; unless she took it for self-protection on that long drive to Arizona to reconnect with Travis, which I higly doubt it that she took that gun for self-protection. Bear in mind, Jodi was not afraid to sleep at night in her car on the way to Arizona so that to me says she was not afraid of someone bothering her, let alone trying to kill or rape her. Most women would not sleep alone in their car at night on a long trip. They would check into a hotel. Jodi did not check into a motel, because she did not want to leave a trail of her journey. I believe Jodi went there to kill Travis, period. Jodi intended to use that gun on Travis. That woman is definitely guilty of first-degree murder, period. I really hope she gets the death penalty, because she deserves to be dead. The hideous, agonizing torture she inflicted on Travis screams out for justice; her justice should be death, period!
then why not use the gun first? It has at least 6 chambers and thus 6 opportunities to kill him. Why use the knife first? And why use the gun last when we know he was pretty much dead already?

Since: Jan 13

Merrylands, Australia

#36 Feb 9, 2013
MacB wrote:
The evidence best indicates that a woman with a severe personality disorder killed an ex-boyfriend in a "borderline rage" because she didn't get her way. It was clearly premeditated, evidenced by her actions before and after the murder (gas cans, bringing weapons, lying about where she was going, lying about where she'd been, etc.). I think she drove to AZ, covertly and trying to cover her tracks, having made the decision: either she would seduce him and manipulate him back into the relationship - or, IF HE REFUSED, she had made up her mind to kill him. Yes, TA might have said something in the shower that triggered his murder. He might have told a manipulative, deceitful, controlling, entitled, possessive and very malicious (when she didn't get her way) personality disordered sociopath that the answer was "No." Like he'd told her dozens of times before. And that was enough for JA to justify carrying out plan B. Because in her twisted reality, a man deserved to die simply for displeasing her. The abuse stuff is a smokescreen to distort and confuse the truth. She drove hundreds of miles on her own initiative to try to salvage a non-abusive relationship with someone she had counted on to be her meal ticket, and when it didn't work (especially after she "gave" him sex), she felt entitled to kill him. To try to link this to BWS is to do a tremendous disservice to those who actually suffer that kind of abuse. She's clearly the abuser, and when you get past this invented attempt to deflect and confuse (pay no attention to the man behind the curtain) her deceptions, distortions, manipulations and lies are transparent, and the facts scream for themselves.
except she had ryan on the back burner and he was a high earner as well with PPL
LA Guy

Los Angeles, CA

#37 Feb 9, 2013
Pharmabill wrote:
<quoted text>
then why not use the gun first? It has at least 6 chambers and thus 6 opportunities to kill him. Why use the knife first? And why use the gun last when we know he was pretty much dead already?
Do not agree with forensics.

Think she held the gun on him at first, scared the hell out of him, perhaps told him some stuff like he would never stick his dick anywhere again...he told her to put the fkn gun down, moments later lunged for it and shot dead...in the pic of his face he looked stunned...then the stabbing began.

Don't forget that the Mesa PD Detective went with the theory for some time that Travis was first shot.

“LEST WE FORGET...”

Since: Apr 09

MT DORA FL

#38 Feb 9, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
In your longer posts, you merely repeat a chronology of events, but fail to think. Like most of those of lower IQ, herd mentality, you are predictable.
Here's some data for you.
Common for battered women to pre-arm themselves, does not prove premediation.
Common to run and deny, even when it was self defense and/or diminished capacity.
There was a BDSM sub dom aspect, which breaks down the mind.
You must have had-joyfully-a BDSM aspect in your life 'cause your mind has been broken down big time!

“LEST WE FORGET...”

Since: Apr 09

MT DORA FL

#39 Feb 9, 2013
Amanda Hauptman wrote:
I believe her I think she snapped due to his sick sex life he made her feel less then In and just wanted to make him happy and her fairy tale life she wanted I think all the degrading he did to her she snapped and then it cost him his life, hard to know of it should cost hers either way it has she will never have all she wanted a man that love her and kids so sad
No snapping about it; the word is planning. I don't know how old you are but I suspect much more than Jodi or Travis. And you must not have read 50 SHADES OF GRAY. If you had/are you would realize that outside of the Mormon faith, and perhaps others, the sexual escapades you are hearing about are not that uncommon. Also, have you have ever heard that you can't rape a willing person? True. And Jodi could not have been abused with Travis' sex ideas 'cause she loved it. Witness her activity after she slaughtered Travis....her words.
LA Guy

Los Angeles, CA

#40 Feb 10, 2013
whataboutcaylee wrote:
<quoted text>
You must have had-joyfully-a BDSM aspect in your life 'cause your mind has been broken down big time!
That was funny, btw, I was always the Dom.

Have you partaken or had the fantasy, most
women do.

This is LA Guy, posting from a sophisticated
LA perspective.

Go to "Jody Arias Self Defense Topix" for a more
complete picture.
MacB

Los Angeles, CA

#41 Feb 10, 2013
Yeah, but she was apparently immediately and completely fixated on Travis (common BPD trait) until he, eventually, he had the audacity not to want to be married to her. People in her world are either tools or targets. TA started as a tool and became a target when he rejected her. Maybe the other guy was a tool to make TA jealous, or as you say, back-up. But it wouldn't preclude her from having extreme rage she directed against TA. He was the object of her obsession and thus of her rage when he denied her.("Splitting" is another BPD trait.)

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