Where in the US can I get a HYDROCELE...
MOJO8

Cleveland, OH

#330 Dec 27, 2010
Dont do it yourself wrote:
Hey guys,
As a precautionary tale for why you should get the surgery instead of aspirating, I wanted to tell y'all my store. I just had the hydrocele operation 4 days ago and am currently recovering and doing well.
About three weeks ago, I had an ultrasound on my right testicle and they had found only 300 mL of fluid in it. However, when they did the surgery, they unexpectedly discovered that most of my fluid collection was in my abdomen and the doctor for lack of a better way of saying it was quite shocked when 1,250 mL of fluid came out during surgery. I had a drain in my balls for about 4 days which was removed earlier today. The after surgery pain was no big deal on the first day, bad on the second day, and the rest of it was fine except for the drain.
My balls look kinda of funny still, but I'm no longer in pain and can walk around ok and should be in full strength in 3 weeks. I am very glad I did the surgery b/c if that fluid had stayed in there, it might have severely hampered my kidney function.
Trust me...you dont know whats up there until they operate...if you have the insurance, just get the surgery done.
Thanks for that info as I am contemplating surgery in January when I see the urologist ...he said the same thing about a drain tube ..did you have to wear a jock as he wants me to cause of gravity it lessens the swelling ???
Thanks for the info
MOJO8
Dont do it yourself

Chicago, IL

#331 Dec 28, 2010
I'm still wearing the jock strap...its actually pretty comfortable and you wont find it to be a hindrance to walking around or anything like that...the worst thing about the surgery is the day after the surgery when the drugs wear off. The pain is not fun and the drain oozes a gooey yellow liquid and you have to replace gauze about once every 4 hours. If I were you, I'd plan on taking that day off.

After day 2, you will start to feel the drain down there (assuming that they don't take it out the day after the surgery) and this will be annoying until the thing goes. Once its gone, recovery is downhill from there. I'm 5 days in and today I walked around my neighborhood for a half hour and ran a ton of errands and was able to lead a semi-normal life today.

My advice is this: For the first 4 days, set an alarm clock that goes
Dont do it yourself

Chicago, IL

#332 Dec 28, 2010
My advice to deal with the pain is this: For the first 4 days, set an alarm clock that goes off an hour before your pain meds will wear off (I set mine to go off every 4 hours) and down the pain meds...this will dull the pain significantly. I'd also go to Sports Authority before the surgery and buy 6 jock straps and a bunch of athletic pants (total cost:$100-$150). I also found that my couch was way more comfy than my bed for sleeping, so if you have a big couch, do that. With this combo, you will be pretty comfortable.
Bill

Maitland, FL

#333 Dec 29, 2010
Thanks for telling us your story, DDIY. I think the point of the surgery and the sclerotherapy is to shut off the route for the fluid to get from your abdomen to the testicles. I'm not a doctor, but it seems that for most people the abdomen is able to absorb whatever fluid is produced. Apparently, not for you though! I'm glad they caught that, and the surgery worked out well for you. For most people, it doesn't seem logical that draining could somehow cause more fluid to build up in your abdomen; but it wouldn't allow a doctor to discover it if you had an unusual build-up of fluid up in the abdomen.
Dont do it yourself

Broadview, IL

#334 Dec 30, 2010
As my doctor explained to me, hydrocele fluid originates from the abdomen and your testicular region is basically a stop valve for this stuff. If you don't have the sac, then the fluid just drips into the scrotum and is absorbed. If you have the sac, then the sac fills up. So, if you drain and try to clot up the passageway, all it does is create a hydrocele in your stomach which make cause backup to your kidneys and who knows what that fluid could do to your kidney function.
Murph

Kirkcaldy, UK

#335 Dec 30, 2010
Dont do it yourself wrote:
As my doctor explained to me, hydrocele fluid originates from the abdomen and your testicular region is basically a stop valve for this stuff. If you don't have the sac, then the fluid just drips into the scrotum and is absorbed. If you have the sac, then the sac fills up. So, if you drain and try to clot up the passageway, all it does is create a hydrocele in your stomach which make cause backup to your kidneys and who knows what that fluid could do to your kidney function.
May I ask, is this your theory or that of your surgeon? I have had mine drained twice over the last two years, with a third due in mid January, and my Urologist has never even gone near to going down the road you have. He has never mentioned build-up of fluid elswhere, my kidneys or anything else for that matter. Incidentally, he is keen for me to have the operation - as they all seem to be - so I feel he would mention it - if to do nothing more than push me towards the operation.
jim

Johnson City, TN

#336 Jan 3, 2011
Dont do it yourself wrote:
As my doctor explained to me, hydrocele fluid originates from the abdomen and your testicular region is basically a stop valve for this stuff. If you don't have the sac, then the fluid just drips into the scrotum and is absorbed. If you have the sac, then the sac fills up. So, if you drain and try to clot up the passageway, all it does is create a hydrocele in your stomach which make cause backup to your kidneys and who knows what that fluid could do to your kidney function.
Hmm? I have been researching hydros for 2 years now and have never heard of what you say. I have been self draining for 2 years every 2 weeks. It take 3 minutes and a minor prick and I am done. I would like sclerotherapy as it has the same success rate as the operation with less risk, recovery and cost.
simon

Cleveleys, UK

#337 Jan 3, 2011
jim wrote:
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Hmm? I have been researching hydros for 2 years now and have never heard of what you say. I have been self draining for 2 years every 2 weeks. It take 3 minutes and a minor prick and I am done. I would like sclerotherapy as it has the same success rate as the operation with less risk, recovery and cost.
Jim do you ever have any trouble with the needle getting blocked or pressure withdrawing the syringe plunger?also do you use different spots every time you do it?
Dave

Suffield, CT

#338 Jan 4, 2011
Just to let you all know after reading all of the posts several times I decided to do the aspiration on my grapefruit sized hydrocele which I suffered from for two years. Did it two weeks ago. Got the supplies from Tractor Supply, alcoholed everything, and it went great! Can actually see the nut on my right side! A little sore for less that 24 hours. Have to see how long til it comes back.
Hollywood Chad

Provo, UT

#339 Jan 6, 2011
William, you are hard core! But what you are doing is a series of temporary fixes. You will need to undergo a permanent procedure, and it really isn't as expensive as you would think.

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jim

Johnson City, TN

#340 Jan 10, 2011
simon wrote:
<quoted text>Jim do you ever have any trouble with the needle getting blocked or pressure withdrawing the syringe plunger?also do you use different spots every time you do it?
yeah every now and then. I just reangle the needle. i think it is caused by the needle opening suction againt the hydro sack. I try to insert the needle with the opening toward the testicle so it cant draw against the sack.
I typically hit the same 1 square inch area that seams to be easiest to get a good drain. So far it doesnt seam to be getting any tougher to insert. I have been meaning to get the vacuum pump as it sounds easier. If you dont already use a 60cc syringe to reduce change outs. i typically fill it 1.5 times every 2 to 3 weeks. The pump would eliminate change outs.
To pro surgery people: If you consider a day of surgery, at least 1 day of severe pain and several days of pain, at least 2 weeks until back to normal (if all goes well and it doesnt reoccure
jim

Johnson City, TN

#341 Jan 10, 2011
Continued: lets say your life is pretty well consumed by recovery,pain, drain tubes, black and blue sack etc for even a week at best and you had to aspirate every 2 weeks at worst and it takes 5 minutes. 1 weeks pain and recovery time is 1080 minutes divided by the 5 minutes to aspirate equalls 2016 aspirations divided by 25 times per year equalls 80 years of aspirating. I will accept a needle every coulpe of weeks for life vrs my sack being cut open and it isnt even a guarenteed fix. This may not be for everyone but it works for me. does any one know a doctor within a days drive from tennessee i would be happy to try sclerotherapy.
Hydroman

Mckinney, TX

#342 Jan 11, 2011
Jim, try Dr. Levine in Chicago. He does sclerotherapy. Google "Urology Specialists" for his contact info.
Ron

Alto, NM

#343 Jan 14, 2011
jim wrote:
The pump would eliminate change outs.
Hey Jim... no need for a pump or syringe. Several of us are just attaching a couple feet of hose to the needle. If you let the hose hang down it creates enough suction to drain just fine.
Ron

Alto, NM

#344 Jan 14, 2011
Hydroman wrote:
Jim, try Dr. Levine in Chicago. He does sclerotherapy. Google "Urology Specialists" for his contact info.
Do you know what chemical he uses?
Bill

South Bend, IN

#345 Jan 15, 2011
Ron wrote:
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Do you know what chemical he uses?
Dr. Levine uses doxycycline.
Reb in Phoenix

Phoenix, AZ

#346 Jan 16, 2011
There is a better and easier way to do this than using a brake bleeding kit that only holds about three ounces of fluid before you have to dump it and put the lid on again, all the time you have a needle stuck in your sack. First find an old breathing machine that people use to give themselves breathing treatments. They are easily found at yard sales/ thrift stores/or maybe you have one. If you hook up a tube to the air intake side of the pump you have a perfect little vacuum pump that will pull about 20in" of vacuum. Next get a QUART MASON JAR, if your hydrocele is the size of a large orange or grapefruit it will hold as much as 15 or 20 ounces of fluid. Punch a couple holes in the lid of the jar so that the hoses will fit snug and not leak air. Put an easily operated pinch clamp or valve in the suction line from the pump to the jar in a location that you can easily reach and operate with one hand, the other hand will be buisy holding the needle in your scrotum. Take another tube to connect the needle to the other hole in the lid, use long enough hoses to allow a little movement in use. I use a 17 guage needle so that fluid does not leave the scrotum too quickly as that can cause some discomfort. Use a bright flashlight as described in other posts to locate the best location to stick the needle then coat the area with AMBISOL, the stuff used for teething babies gums. Wait a min. or so and sterilize with some alcohol swabs, let dry before inserting the needle. Start the vacuum pump and begin to insert the needle into the low side of the hydrocele and angle the needle so it will not come in contact with your testicle as the fluid drains. Open the valve or pinch clame in the air suction line to begin the suction to the jar which in turn delivers suction to the needle. Watch the fluid start to drain into the mason jar. As the hydrocele starts shrinking make sure the needle does not slip out of the scrotum. Go slowly when you get to the point where it is almost empty because if it is under a lot of vacuum at the instant it gets completly emptied and you create a vacuum in your scrotum with no fluid left it may feel like you got kicked in the nuts. You can feel this sensation starting before it actually happens, this is when you should remove the needle. DISCLAIMER I am not recommending that you do this, this is what I do about every three weeks and it works great. Its nice to have a normal groin for a while. You can get needles from any feed store. GOOD LUCK
Roger wrote:
Aspiration of a hydrocele,is a simple procedure that you can due yourself,with little or no pain involved.
Get a 20 guage needle,plastic tubing,small hand held vaccum pump and a collection jar.This might sound odd to you but you can buy all this ,except the needle,at an auto parts store,ask for a brake bleeder kit.The plastic tube connect to the needle and then to the collection jar and the jar to the pump.Make sure everything up to and including the jar is sterilized.Use and autoclave,what you say you don't have an autoclave.An autoclave is just a fancy name for a pressure cooker.Wash your hands and rinse with isopropyl alcohol, drug store item.Sterilize the site where you will inset the needle,make sure no prominent veins are seen,place needle on the selected spot and quickly insert,don't try to push it in slowly.
To make sure this is actually a hydrocele get a bright flashlight and place on the scrotum in a dark room if it glows red like a tail light it is a hydrocele also at the same time you can see where your testicle is located so that you won't stick the needle into it.
You might be wondering if this guy knows what he is talking about,after two hydrocele operations and no improvement I do this about twice a year,for the past 5 year without any problems.
Reb in Phoenix

Phoenix, AZ

#347 Jan 16, 2011
Sorry about this, Its a 22 guage needle not a 17. A 17 would allow fluid to move too fast.
Ron

Alto, NM

#348 Jan 31, 2011
I'm going to say it again, because I think it bears repeating:

YOU DON'T NEED A PUMP OR SYRINGE

Get a piece of hose (couple feet +) that will fit tightly over the fat plastic part of the needle. Sit down and put the end of the hose in a jar on the floor. When you insert the needle, the hose fills up and gravity creates a gentle suction that is all you need. A few minutes later, you are done. This is safer and easier than any other method.
Jack

Hialeah, FL

#349 Feb 2, 2011
Hey Guys! I found this site a few months ago and was lucky enough to find a guy who help me locate Urologist in my area to has drained me TWICE..

He simply:
1) NUMBS THE AREA WITH a shot
2) spreads this goldish brown anticeptic all over my sac
3) inserts a NEEDLE(smallone) that has a HOSE COUPLE on it
4) starts connecting vials(i think they are 1 or .5ounces)..
He got 12 vials the first time and just recently got 17.. I am GETTING WORRIED because it appears every time I get this DRAINED IT GROWS LARGER???

IS THIS NORMAL FOR IT TO GROW LARGER THE NEXT TIME IT GROWS BACK?? ALSO THE FIRST TIME I DID IT IT LASTED atleast 1 month till i saw it getting bigger, then the 2nd month it was BIG AGAIN.. THIS TIME after it was drained(wow it was awesome) IT ONLY LASTED 2 WEEKS now its about 1/2 the size so I would imagine in 2 more weeks it will be FULL SIZE..

I want to do the surgery but my urlogist says IT WILL WORK ON THE HYDRO, but this does not mean another will form.. and I have heard of only a few good stories... I think I might try Rons method

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