Panic disorder and depression can be ...

Panic disorder and depression can be treated over the Internet

There are 17 comments on the PhysOrg Weblog story from Apr 14, 2010, titled Panic disorder and depression can be treated over the Internet. In it, PhysOrg Weblog reports that:

Cognitive behaviour therapy via the internet is just as effective in treating panic disorder as traditional group-based CBT.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at PhysOrg Weblog.

HumanSpirit

Interlachen, FL

#1 Apr 14, 2010
Sounds like the mental health industry would state anything for a quick buck.

“CO$ sucks and DM swallows!”

Since: Nov 08

Saddle Brook, NJ

#2 Apr 15, 2010
Sounds like Johnny One Note- that's YOU, Inhuman spirit- would state anything just to post. Take your scientoology views and go home...
HumanSpirit

Interlachen, FL

#3 Apr 15, 2010
Mad Dog 54 wrote:
Sounds like Johnny One Note- that's YOU, Inhuman spirit- would state anything just to post. Take your scientoology views and go home...
Not a Scientologist. How's the marketing for the pharmacutical industry going.
HumanSpirit

Interlachen, FL

#4 Apr 15, 2010
There has been "No" biological defect found for any mental illness or any of the other made to order diagnoses by any neurological study.

Without a test for chemical imbalance the mental health (psychiatry) is limited in the ancillary tests of medicine like an EKG, EEG, blood work or other tests in the diagnoses of a patient. They aren't needed in Psychiatry.

The psychiatric diagnosis is made on the basis of behavior and hearsay.

If we respect metabolic changes based on daily dietary habits, weight gain / loss , terms of the survival of the organisms as a person age along with physical conditioning, physical illness, electrolyte level, gender differences , body temperature, I don't see where the Mental Health and Counseling Industry could conform to any consistency in data with consideration to the above to state a person has a mental disease or illness based on chemical imbalance.

APA lies to the American Public and puts the society in danger

http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp...

"The hypothetical disturbances of neurochemical function that are said to underlie "mental illness" are just that: hypothetical. No experiment has ever shown that anyone has an "imbalance" of any neurotransmitters or any other brain chemicals. Nor could any conceivable experiment demonstrate the existence of a "chemical imbalance," simply because no one, least of all the biopsychiatrists, has the slightest idea what a proper and healthy chemical "balance" would look like."

"...the views and beliefs of biopsychiatry have nothing to do with the answers to scientific questions in any case: the hunt for biological "causes" of "mental illness" is an entirely fallacious enterprise in the first place; the non- existence of data to support its assertions is quite beside the point."

"The latest edition of one pharmacology text has this to say about the status of depression as a disease: "Despite extensive efforts, attempts to document the metabolic changes in human subjects predicted by these [biological] hypotheses have not, on balance, provided consistent or compelling corroboration." This is a long-winded way of admitting that not even a scrap of evidence supports the idea that depression results from a "chemical imbalance." Yet patients are told every day - by their doctors, by the media, and by drug company advertising - that it is a proven scientific fact that depression has a known biochemical origin. It follows directly that millions of Americans are being lied to by their doctors; and people surely can't give informed consent for drug treatment when what they're being "informed" by is a fraud.... To sum up: there is no evidence whatsoever to support the view that "mental illness" is biochemical in origin; in other words, things like "Unipolar Disorder" and "Attention Deficit Disorder" simply do not exist."

http://www.adhd-report.com/biopsychiatry/bio_...

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Violence, Deaths Murders and Suicides from mind drugs.

SSRI stories

http://ssristories.com/index.php

“Honorary Squirrel Buster”

Since: Apr 07

Tulsa, OK

#5 Apr 16, 2010
HumanSpirit wrote:
<quoted text>
Not a Scientologist.
You're a liar.
Sign of the Times

United States

#6 Apr 16, 2010
HumanSpirit wrote:
There has been "No" biological defect found for any mental illness or any of the other made to order diagnoses by any neurological study.
Without a test for chemical imbalance the mental health (psychiatry) is limited in the ancillary tests of medicine like an EKG, EEG, blood work or other tests in the diagnoses of a patient. They aren't needed in Psychiatry.
The psychiatric diagnosis is made on the basis of behavior and hearsay.
If we respect metabolic changes based on daily dietary habits, weight gain / loss , terms of the survival of the organisms as a person age along with physical conditioning, physical illness, electrolyte level, gender differences , body temperature, I don't see where the Mental Health and Counseling Industry could conform to any consistency in data with consideration to the above to state a person has a mental disease or illness based on chemical imbalance.
APA lies to the American Public and puts the society in danger
http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp...
"The hypothetical disturbances of neurochemical function that are said to underlie "mental illness" are just that: hypothetical. No experiment has ever shown that anyone has an "imbalance" of any neurotransmitters or any other brain chemicals. Nor could any conceivable experiment demonstrate the existence of a "chemical imbalance," simply because no one, least of all the biopsychiatrists, has the slightest idea what a proper and healthy chemical "balance" would look like."
"...the views and beliefs of biopsychiatry have nothing to do with the answers to scientific questions in any case: the hunt for biological "causes" of "mental illness" is an entirely fallacious enterprise in the first place; the non- existence of data to support its assertions is quite beside the point."
"The latest edition of one pharmacology text has this to say about the status of depression as a disease: "Despite extensive efforts, attempts to document the metabolic changes in human subjects predicted by these [biological] hypotheses have not, on balance, provided consistent or compelling corroboration." This is a long-winded way of admitting that not even a scrap of evidence supports the idea that depression results from a "chemical imbalance." Yet patients are told every day - by their doctors, by the media, and by drug company advertising - that it is a proven scientific fact that depression has a known biochemical origin. It follows directly that millions of Americans are being lied to by their doctors; and people surely can't give informed consent for drug treatment when what they're being "informed" by is a fraud.... To sum up: there is no evidence whatsoever to support the view that "mental illness" is biochemical in origin; in other words, things like "Unipolar Disorder" and "Attention Deficit Disorder" simply do not exist."
http://www.adhd-report.com/biopsychiatry/bio_...
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Violence, Deaths Murders and Suicides from mind drugs.
SSRI stories
http://ssristories.com/index.php
Doctors are so brainwashed and indoctrinated by the phamaceutical peddlers they pass out antidepressants like candy.

Personally, I don't want anything dabbling with my brain cells. My doctor tried to coerce me into taking brain drugs for serious pain issues. This is so unrealistic and evil. The reason God made the opium poppy was for guess what? PAIN. But man, on the other hand thinks he can trump God, and will do anything for a buck.

Wake up folks. There are reasons for your "triggers". Deal with those on a root cause basis, and don't try to mask everything with a brain drug. Check out the forums on these things, people having serious side effects and being made into zombies, not to mention the screaming meemies of withdrawal symptoms, Pharma mislabels and calls them.. "discontinuing syndrome". Evil bastards!
Tired Of It

Lenoir City, TN

#7 Apr 18, 2010
What does anyone have to offer as help? What has worked for you?
TOI
HumanSpirit

Fort White, FL

#8 Apr 18, 2010
Tired Of It wrote:
What does anyone have to offer as help? What has worked for you?
TOI
Are you talking about panic disorder or depression? Why they lump both in the same article would be interesting to understand.
Tired Of It

Lenoir City, TN

#9 Apr 18, 2010
HumanSpirit wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you talking about panic disorder or depression? Why they lump both in the same article would be interesting to understand.
Both or either. They probably lump them together because sometimes if you have one you have the other. You are right, it could be confusing
TOI
HumanSpirit

Fort White, FL

#10 Apr 19, 2010
Tired Of It wrote:
<quoted text>
Both or either. They probably lump them together because sometimes if you have one you have the other. You are right, it could be confusing
TOI
To me diet is the first step in physical and mental health.

To understand the dirty underhanded (political) way of producing mental illness you may want to read:

The FDA Ban of L-Tryptophan:
Politics, Profits and Prozac
by Dean Wolfe Manders, Ph.D.

http://www.ceri.com/trypto.htm .

ALSO:

From: Prescription for Nutritional Healing by James F Balch, MD and Phillis A. Balch, CNC

Tryptophan

Tryptophan is an essential amino acid that is necessary for the production of vitamin B3 (niacin). It is used by the brain to produce serotonin, a necessary neurotransmitter that transfers nerve impulses from one cell to another and is responsible for normal sleep. Consequently, tryptophan helps to combat depression and insomnia and to stabilize moods. It helps to control hyperactivity in children, alleviates stress, is good for the heart, aids in weight control by reducing appetite, and enhances the release of growth hormone. It is good
for migraine headaches, and may reduce some of the effects of nicotine. A sufficient amount of vitamin B6 (pyridoxine) is necessary for the formation of tryptophan, which, in turn, is required for the formation of serotonin. A lack of tryptophan and magnesium may contribute to coronary artery spasms.
The best dietary sources of tryptophan include brown rice, cottage cheese, meat, peanuts, and soy protein.
This amino acid is not available in supplement form in the United States. In November of 1989, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) reported evidence linking L-tryptophan supplements to a blood disorder called eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome (EMS). Several hundred cases of this illness-which is characterized b~ an elevated white blood cell count and can also cause such symptoms as fatigue, muscular pain, respiratory ailments, edema, and rash-were reported, and at least one death was attributed to the outbreak. After the CDC established an association between the blood disorder and products containing L~tryptophan in New Mexico, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration first warned consumers to stop taking L-tryptophan supplements, then recalled all products in which L-tryptophan was the sole or a major component. Subsequent research showed that it was contaminants in the supplements, not the tryptophan, that was probably responsible for the problem, but tryptophan supplements are still banned from the market in the United States.

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NOTE: B6 is important as a catalyst for Tryptophan to work:

Alert: Protect Your Right To Natural and Bio-available Vitamin B-6!

snip:

Human beings cannot live without vitamin B-6. It is also important for the prevention of cancer and the prevention and treatment of seizures, anemia, mental disorders including schizophrenia, carpal tunnel syndrome, and other conditions. Its effect on carpal tunnel can seem almost miraculous.
A natural form of the vitamin, Pyridoxamine, was recently yanked off the market by the FDA. Why? Because a pharmaceutical company, BioStratum, wanted sole use of pyridoxamine in a drug, a drug which may or may not ever appear. The company filed a so-called citizens petition and the FDA agreed, notwithstanding protests from ANH-USA, other organizations, and thousands of citizens. You might ask: how can Pharma take a supplement off the market and claim exclusive use of it as a prescription drug? The FDA does not presently feel obligated to answer this question.

more on article:

http://www.anh-usa.org/alert-protect-your-rig... ;

It's a dirty deal!
HumanSpirit

Fort White, FL

#11 Apr 19, 2010
Tired Of It wrote:
What does anyone have to offer as help? What has worked for you?
TOI
A good article:

Magnesium Supplements for Anxiety Disorder

http://panic-disorder.suite101.com/article.cf...
Tired Of It

Lenoir City, TN

#12 Apr 19, 2010
HumanSpirit wrote:
<quoted text>
To me diet is the first step in physical and mental health.
To understand the dirty underhanded (political) way of producing mental illness you may want to read:
The FDA Ban of L-Tryptophan:
Politics, Profits and Prozac
by Dean Wolfe Manders, Ph.D.
http://www.ceri.com/trypto.htm .
ALSO:
From: Prescription for Nutritional Healing by James F Balch, MD and Phillis A. Balch, CNC
Tryptophan
Tryptophan is an essential amino acid that is necessary for the production of vitamin B3 (niacin). It is used by the brain to produce serotonin, a necessary neurotransmitter that transfers nerve impulses from one cell to another and is responsible for normal sleep. Consequently, tryptophan helps to combat depression and insomnia and to stabilize moods. It helps to control hyperactivity in children, alleviates stress, is good for the heart, aids in weight control by reducing appetite, and enhances the release of growth hormone. It is good
for migraine headaches, and may reduce some of the effects of nicotine. A sufficient amount of vitamin B6 (pyridoxine) is necessary for the formation of tryptophan, which, in turn, is required for the formation of serotonin. A lack of tryptophan and magnesium may contribute to coronary artery spasms.
The best dietary sources of tryptophan include brown rice, cottage cheese, meat, peanuts, and soy protein.
This amino acid is not available in supplement form in the United States. In November of 1989, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) reported evidence linking L-tryptophan supplements to a blood disorder called eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome (EMS). Several hundred cases of this illness-which is characterized b~ an elevated white blood cell count and can also cause such symptoms as fatigue, muscular pain, respiratory ailments, edema, and rash-were reported, and at least one death was attributed to the outbreak. After the CDC established an association between the blood disorder and products containing L~tryptophan in New Mexico, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration first warned consumers to stop taking L-tryptophan supplements, then recalled all products in which L-tryptophan was the sole or a major component. Subsequent research showed that it was contaminants in the supplements, not the tryptophan, that was probably responsible for the problem, but tryptophan supplements are still banned from the market in the United States.
----------
NOTE: B6 is important as a catalyst for Tryptophan to work:
Alert: Protect Your Right To Natural and Bio-available Vitamin B-6!
snip:
Human beings cannot live without vitamin B-6. It is also important for the prevention of cancer and the prevention and treatment of seizures, anemia, mental disorders including schizophrenia, carpal tunnel syndrome, and other conditions. Its effect on carpal tunnel can seem almost miraculous.
A natural form of the vitamin, Pyridoxamine, was recently yanked off the market by the FDA. Why? Because a pharmaceutical company, BioStratum, wanted sole use of pyridoxamine in a drug, a drug which may or may not ever appear. The company filed a so-called citizens petition and the FDA agreed, notwithstanding protests from ANH-USA, other organizations, and thousands of citizens. You might ask: how can Pharma take a supplement off the market and claim exclusive use of it as a prescription drug? The FDA does not presently feel obligated to answer this question.
more on article:
http://www.anh-usa.org/alert-protect-your-rig... ;
It's a dirty deal!
Thank you for taking the time to post this Human Spirit. I will check into it. The first link didn’t work but the second one did and I saved it in favorites.
TOI
Tired Of It

Lenoir City, TN

#13 Apr 19, 2010
HumanSpirit wrote:
<quoted text>
A good article:
Magnesium Supplements for Anxiety Disorder
http://panic-disorder.suite101.com/article.cf...
Thanks again, the link didn’t work but I can still look into magnesium supplements.
Tired Of It

Lenoir City, TN

#14 Apr 19, 2010
HumanSpirit wrote:
<quoted text>
To me diet is the first step in physical and mental health.
To understand the dirty underhanded (political) way of producing mental illness you may want to read:
The FDA Ban of L-Tryptophan:
Politics, Profits and Prozac
by Dean Wolfe Manders, Ph.D.
http://www.ceri.com/trypto.htm .
ALSO:
From: Prescription for Nutritional Healing by James F Balch, MD and Phillis A. Balch, CNC
Tryptophan
Tryptophan is an essential amino acid that is necessary for the production of vitamin B3 (niacin). It is used by the brain to produce serotonin, a necessary neurotransmitter that transfers nerve impulses from one cell to another and is responsible for normal sleep. Consequently, tryptophan helps to combat depression and insomnia and to stabilize moods. It helps to control hyperactivity in children, alleviates stress, is good for the heart, aids in weight control by reducing appetite, and enhances the release of growth hormone. It is good
for migraine headaches, and may reduce some of the effects of nicotine. A sufficient amount of vitamin B6 (pyridoxine) is necessary for the formation of tryptophan, which, in turn, is required for the formation of serotonin. A lack of tryptophan and magnesium may contribute to coronary artery spasms.
The best dietary sources of tryptophan include brown rice, cottage cheese, meat, peanuts, and soy protein.
This amino acid is not available in supplement form in the United States. In November of 1989, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) reported evidence linking L-tryptophan supplements to a blood disorder called eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome (EMS). Several hundred cases of this illness-which is characterized b~ an elevated white blood cell count and can also cause such symptoms as fatigue, muscular pain, respiratory ailments, edema, and rash-were reported, and at least one death was attributed to the outbreak. After the CDC established an association between the blood disorder and products containing L~tryptophan in New Mexico, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration first warned consumers to stop taking L-tryptophan supplements, then recalled all products in which L-tryptophan was the sole or a major component. Subsequent research showed that it was contaminants in the supplements, not the tryptophan, that was probably responsible for the problem, but tryptophan supplements are still banned from the market in the United States.
----------
NOTE: B6 is important as a catalyst for Tryptophan to work:
Alert: Protect Your Right To Natural and Bio-available Vitamin B-6!
snip:
Human beings cannot live without vitamin B-6. It is also important for the prevention of cancer and the prevention and treatment of seizures, anemia, mental disorders including schizophrenia, carpal tunnel syndrome, and other conditions. Its effect on carpal tunnel can seem almost miraculous.
A natural form of the vitamin, Pyridoxamine, was recently yanked off the market by the FDA. Why? Because a pharmaceutical company, BioStratum, wanted sole use of pyridoxamine in a drug, a drug which may or may not ever appear. The company filed a so-called citizens petition and the FDA agreed, notwithstanding protests from ANH-USA, other organizations, and thousands of citizens. You might ask: how can Pharma take a supplement off the market and claim exclusive use of it as a prescription drug? The FDA does not presently feel obligated to answer this question.
more on article:
http://www.anh-usa.org/alert-protect-your-rig... ;
It's a dirty deal!
(Sorry if this posts twice, it didn't show that I posted it).

Thank you for taking the time to post this Human Spirit. I will check into it. The first link didn’t work but the second one did and I saved it in favorites.
TOI
cody

New Baltimore, MI

#15 Apr 19, 2010
Tired Of It wrote:
What does anyone have to offer as help? What has worked for you?
TOI
Elevil. And I disagree with many posts here.
I DO have an imbalance problem. Some people do have it and need meds. I thank God for the pills.
God gave the doctors the knowledge to care for us.
So, I'm glad for me and my family. I would have been dead years ago without that one medication. Just my opinion.
HFN

Lenoir City, TN

#16 Apr 19, 2010
cody wrote:
<quoted text>
Elevil. And I disagree with many posts here.
I DO have an imbalance problem. Some people do have it and need meds. I thank God for the pills.
God gave the doctors the knowledge to care for us.
So, I'm glad for me and my family. I would have been dead years ago without that one medication. Just my opinion.
Thank you for answering Cody. There are some bad side affects from a lot of medicines so I was interested in what had helped people with it, be it medicine, vitamins, changing of the way a person looked at things or whatever anyone found that helped them Maybe a combination of things would help. I wish you continued days of getting better!
TOI
simon

UK

#18 Sep 5, 2012
I've been battling with depression for years, only recently found out I'm adhd.
Can this be treated online? Joys of medical aid not paying for treatment anymore. I am on meds, for depression, the meds for adhd are far too expensive. Feeling very dispondent.

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