Cigarette packaging still too alluring

May 27, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: WIS-TV Columbia

Savvy tobacco companies are using color and other design elements to circumvent new U.S. regulations that crack down on misleading cigarette packaging, researchers say.

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May 28, 2011
 
If it looks and quacks like duck,--- you know the rest.
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May 28, 2011
 
I respect and can understand the antismoking opinion of the health community but things are getting way out of control regarding the restrictions placed on the smoking industry as a whole. As a smoker, I am very careful to enjoy Yet, my cigarette without offending or risking others. I believe the majority of smokers feel like second class citizens as a result of the laws that have been passed over the years.

The government supports the anti smoking campaign wholeheartedly on tv but secretly know they would be totally screwed without those tax dollars pouring in.
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May 28, 2011
 
Leonard wrote:
I respect and can understand the antismoking opinion of the health community but things are getting way out of control regarding the restrictions placed on the smoking industry as a whole. As a smoker, I am very careful to enjoy Yet, my cigarette without offending or risking others. I believe the majority of smokers feel like second class citizens as a result of the laws that have been passed over the years.
The government supports the anti smoking campaign wholeheartedly on tv but secretly know they would be totally screwed without those tax dollars pouring in.
Things have been way out of control regarding restrictions NOT placed on the smoking industry as a whole for DECADES. That is what the RICO convictions were about.

If the tobacco companies were trying--today--to get their product approved for the marketplace, it would never happen. The products would NEVER become legal.

As it stands, nicotine addiction is pandemic and the industry has such deep pockets full of so many politicians that nothing effective can be done about it unless and until the addiction can be rendered moot.
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May 28, 2011
 
Ever hear about the, married man who went out to get a loaf of bread and never came back? Maybe now we know the whole story.-lol-
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May 28, 2011
 
HumanSpirit wrote:
More people are dying or being murdered or subject to violence and the craziness caused from Chantix while the Pfizer is skating profitably free in a sea of lies and misreporting. Lots of people being harmed in a shorter time span then cigarettes ever caused. The CEO should be prosecuted and jailed considering the number of people that died or are peerminently mentally damaged.
Bushlit.

1) How much does Pfizer make on Chantix? Put THAT into the context of the issues here.

2) The initial claim of "hundreds" in the article is immediately given the lie when they go to the next paragraph and it says "150".

3) The issue was one of reports submitted "in the wrong format".

4) The content of the reports would have changed NOTHING.

5) MOST of the content supporting this bashing comes from the guy who was hired to be an "expert witness" for the people suing Pfizer.

6) The people cited as claiming the reports' content "might" have changed the FDA response were the people actually SUING.

NOW, as to the comparison, to smoking:

1) How long does it take to become addicted to nicotine?

2) Do you consider the lifelong problems caused by nicotine addiction to be "harm"?

3) Smoking has recently been linked to a significant increase in suicidal tendencies on TOP of all the physical problems it causes.

4) The FDA response in the article cited both the problems AND the BENEFITS of Chantix as having been part of their consideration in reaching the stand that they said WOULD NOT have been any different because of the content in the reports. The benefits derive from teh ABSENCE of SMOKING.

5) How many cases out of how many million prescriptions, again? What percentage of smokers die of diseases linked to smoking? What the !$@%^#^Q$!!?

It's sensationalist hyperbole. It is yellow journalism. You're behaving like fools.
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May 28, 2011
 
I sort of liked THIS link they gave:

http://www.fda.gov/TobaccoProducts/Labeling/C...
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May 28, 2011
 
Lies by tobacco cos or drug co are still lies. Seems like today it may be tobacco cos that are being the most truthfull. Phizer just like a man is known by their repubation. If you check it out you will find they rank right along with tobacco cos. for being convicted of racketeering.
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May 28, 2011
 
just candid wrote:
If it looks and quacks like duck,--- you know the rest.
yes, I know the rest.....Jimmy will kill it for its blood.
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I like them roasted with veggis, white steamed rice and my homemade stuffing inside.
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Should have added. Cook with olive oil, add a few olives inside. Don't forget fresh cut onions and mushrooms
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May 28, 2011
 
just candid wrote:
Lies by tobacco cos or drug co are still lies. Seems like today it may be tobacco cos that are being the most truthfull. Phizer just like a man is known by their repubation. If you check it out you will find they rank right along with tobacco cos. for being convicted of racketeering.
Not quite in the same league, from the checking out I've done. Even so, the stuff in this piece isn't responsible reporting.
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May 28, 2011
 
As someone (forget who) said, if you shoot an innocent dead, you are a murderer and should be punished. But if you throw a grenade at him in the middle of a square crowded with other innocents, you are something a bit more than that.
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May 29, 2011
 
Hugh Jass wrote:
As someone (forget who) said, if you shoot an innocent dead, you are a murderer and should be punished. But if you throw a grenade at him in the middle of a square crowded with other innocents, you are something a bit more than that.
I will agree with that.
We all know the tobacco cos are a lieing bunch of SOBs who sell a product that kills it's customers as well as others, so we aren't suprised to find out they're also racketeers. It's different when a co we think we can trust our lives gos and with full knowledge sells a defective product they know may kill not only their customers but others.
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May 29, 2011
 
just candid wrote:
<quoted text> I will agree with that.
We all know the tobacco cos are a lieing bunch of SOBs who sell a product that kills it's customers as well as others, so we aren't suprised to find out they're also racketeers. It's different when a co we think we can trust our lives gos and with full knowledge sells a defective product they know may kill not only their customers but others.
Maybe something happened when I was out of the room. What I have read says several things.
First thing is that the FDA finds that the benefits of Chantix far outweigh the problems with side-effects. A net saving of lives, in essence, being chief among the benefits. This is true with or without the information in the reports.

This means that to HAVE the drug and NOT distribute it would be taking lives by inaction.

Second thing is, Pfizer says--and the conflicting studies support this--that no connection is as yet PROVEN between the drug and the suicides/etc.. There is, for instance, the British study where the only person who had suicidal thoughts was actually on a placebo.

[On a personal note, I have talked with only two people who have taken Chantix. Neither admitted to having committed suicide. One said he had experienced vivid dreams--not nightmares, he stressed--at first, but when he cut his dosage down they went away. I seem to recall some strange dreams when I quit cold turkey. He had quit about two years when we spoke, and praised the drug. The other had stopped taking it because, he said, NOTHING happened for him.]

Third thing is that recent research lins smoking itself to an increase in suicidal tendencies--with a decrease among former smokers even compared to those who never smoked.[Judging by the content of some of the smokers on Topix, a similar finding regarding violence wouldn't surprise me.] So many people smoke, though, that it would be odd if anyone made the connection when a smoker was involved in one of these acts.

This means that Chantix MAY actually be PREVENTING suicides by helping people quit.

A fourth thing, and one that is only relevant as a possible mitigating factor, is that Pfizer seems genuinely to want to help people quit. They DO know that Chantix has a limited success rate. Still, they provide a money-back guarantee if you reach a certain stage (I forget whether it is four weeks or four months) without quitting. I realize that, if the link between the drug and the mayhem is REAL, this is small comfort to those affected. However, it is NOT the sort of "grab all the money you can and the heck with the consumer" attitude they are continually accused of here--and that the tobacco companies have flaunted over the decades.

The fifth thing here is from experience and speculation, mostly. Quitting smoking was psychologically tough on me, and I was able to quit without props. Chantix is prescribed for people who have been UNable to do that, and there are many levels of approach in between the two that have presumably been exhausted before a physician prescribes the drug. Someone whose addiction has been proof against all of those is not unlikely to have a much stronger psychological response to breaking the addiction.

A candidate for using Chantix is, in this light, a candidate for being driven a bit wrong by the process of breaking nicotine addiction.

Again, even this article that is so clearly biased acknowledges that Pfizer DID file the reports. The article says--though it doesn't accentuate--that Pfizer is NOT the only company that submitted such reports in the wrong format. It is entirely possible that this particular issue is nothing more than a clerical error.

In short, I don't see a proven case against Pfizer's behavior involving Chantix.

They HAVE been found to have pushed another drug for uses which the FDA had not approved. I get that, and am not dismissing that behavior. It was NOT Chantix, though.
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May 29, 2011
 
A last note is that this thread has been hijacked. Can we please try to return to the packaging issue?

There is, after all, a thread devoted to this particular aspect of Chantix. I think I'll cc my post to that one.
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May 29, 2011
 
Hugh Jass wrote:
A last note is that this thread has been hijacked. Can we please try to return to the packaging issue?
There is, after all, a thread devoted to this particular aspect of Chantix. I think I'll cc my post to that one.
I have a package to talk about.
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TBird probably smokes those cheap generic Indian cigarettes because his wife gives him a small allowence. Also, he is a fake Indian
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May 29, 2011
 
Hugh Jass wrote:
A last note is that this thread has been hijacked. Can we please try to return to the packaging issue?
There is, after all, a thread devoted to this particular aspect of Chantix. I think I'll cc my post to that one.
I agree. See you there.

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