Senators Exclude End-of-Life Provision from Health Care Bill

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Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin refused to retreat from her debunked claim that a proposed health care overhaul would create "death panels," as the growing furor over end-of-life consultations forced a key group of senators to abandon the idea in their bill.
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Brewski

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Aug 14, 2009
 
You have to stop listening to the redicules rantings of an insane woman. McCain knew he was going to lose and he created this monster. Palin is a total insult to the republisacks. Thank god these clowns are not in the White House.
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Aug 14, 2009
 
People should stop making things up. I still love you , Sarah.
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Aug 14, 2009
 
I wish Blumenauer and everyone else would stop sugar-coating their rhetoric and start calling a it what it is: Sarah Palin is a liar. Period.
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Aug 14, 2009
 
Wrongness and bias is demonstrated by the author, AP writer Erica Werner, not Sarah Palin, whose criticism of end-of-life consultations in Obama's 'health' bill was 'not' debunked as Werner claims. Senators rather agree how this 'tool' could be used by unscrupulous bureaucrats and have removed it from their proposed bill. The House will soon follow. But attempts by Obama to control our lives will fail either way. Americans are rebelling.

“Glorified mythology? Get real.”

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Aug 14, 2009
 
8 common myths about health insurance reform

Reform will stop "rationing" - not increase it: Itís a myth that reform will mean a "government takeover" of health care or lead to "rationing." To the contrary, reform will forbid many forms of rationing that are currently being used by insurance companies.
We canít afford reform: It's the status quo we can't afford. Itís a myth that reform will bust the budget. To the contrary, the President has identified ways to pay for the vast majority of the up-front costs by cutting waste, fraud, and abuse within existing government health programs; ending big subsidies to insurance companies; and increasing efficiency with such steps as coordinating care and streamlining paperwork. In the long term, reform can help bring down costs that will otherwise lead to a fiscal crisis.
Reform would encourage "euthanasia": It does not. Itís a malicious myth that reform would encourage or even require euthanasia for seniors. For seniors who want to consult with their family and physicians about end-of life decisions, reform will help to cover these voluntary, private consultations for those who want help with these personal and difficult family decisions.
Vets' health care is safe and sound: Itís a myth that health insurance reform will affect veterans' access to the care they get now. To the contrary, the President's budget significantly expands coverage under the VA, extending care to 500,000 more veterans who were previously excluded. The VA Healthcare system will continue to be available for all eligible veterans.
Reform will benefit small business - not burden it: Itís a myth that health insurance reform will hurt small businesses. To the contrary, reform will ease the burdens on small businesses, provide tax credits to help them pay for employee coverage and help level the playing field with big firms who pay much less to cover their employees on average.
Your Medicare is safe, and stronger with reform: Itís myth that Health Insurance Reform would be financed by cutting Medicare benefits. To the contrary, reform will improve the long-term financial health of Medicare, ensure better coordination, eliminate waste and unnecessary subsidies to insurance companies, and help to close the Medicare "doughnut" hole to make prescription drugs more affordable for seniors.

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Aug 14, 2009
 

You can keep your own insurance: Itís myth that reform will force you out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors. To the contrary, reform will expand your choices, not eliminate them.
No, government will not do anything with your bank account: It is an absurd myth that government will be in charge of your bank accounts. Health insurance reform will simplify administration, making it easier and more convenient for you to pay bills in a method that you choose. Just like paying a phone bill or a utility bill, you can pay by traditional check, or by a direct electronic payment. And forms will be standardized so they will be easier to understand. The choice is up to you Ė and the same rules of privacy will apply as they do for all other electronic payments that people make.
Learn more and get details:
http://www.WhiteHouse.gov/realitycheck
http://www.WhiteHouse.gov/realitycheck/faq
Liberty Guy

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Aug 14, 2009
 

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Warren, your WhiteHouse.gov links of course reveal the copy/paste source of your words. Thanks, but no, I love freedom, not being a stooge of big government, huge spending and debt with high taxes.
Victor

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#8
Aug 14, 2009
 
We really need to star calling liars liars. Enough of the dirty, lying tricks. These mostly come frfom the underhanded Republicans. We really do need Republicans to get some level honor back into their party. They will stupe as lowas it takes to win and they really are hurting the US. Sarah Palin is a stuppid woman that needs to be ignored. Following her is an indication that the Republican party has no intellectual merit any longer. Shame, it used to be a party of really smart people. No longer.
Liberty Guy

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Aug 14, 2009
 
As to dirty tricks, it is now apparent that Warren above is simply forwarding spam email sent out by the Whitehouse's speaker, Mr. Axelrod.

Blogs/abcnews reveals that, "The (unrequested spam) e-mail outlines 24 points -- eight ways the Democrats' health care reform measures will provide security and stability to those with or without coverage," eight "common myths" about reform (identical to Warren's), and eight reasons why reform is an urgent matter."

It must feel really good to be a pawn of AxRod.

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Aug 14, 2009
 
I simply reposted it, LibertyGuy. Do you see anywhere that I'm claiming some sort of ownership? No, you don't, so you can cut the s#!+ with your empty messages here.

The posts are not about me; they're about the transparency that so-o-o-o many partisan goofballs wanted. There's the transparency, yet you're still being nay-sayers.

That's very typically "Republican" with your divisions. Republicans and religious zealots, which are often (usually) the same people, are not interested in uniting us. You're interest is in dividing us and distracting us with your angry bllsht and you know it --unless, of course, you can convert us over to the dark side, where you can block any and all free thought.

You aren't interested in liberty, Liberty Guy. Apparently, though, you're interested in the GOP's and the religious zealots' doctrines which have kept Amerikkka divided for far too long.

Take care, everyone.

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Warren

Warren G. Richards
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Aug 14, 2009
 
KIND OF MADE THE MATTER MOOD AFTER THE SENATORS REMOVED THE PROVISION (END-OF-LIFE PROVISION) FROM THE HEALTH CARE BILL. DO YOU STILL SAY PALIN IS LYING????
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Aug 14, 2009
 
And now he sounds like Obama: Oh, it's not about me, it's not about big government and intentions to control the nation, it's not about taking away anyone's present health insurance, it's not about increasing taxes, it's not about trillions in debt, it's not...ad infintum, it's just that you should trust me and I will take care of you. All of you. Promise. And let's get this done faster before more of you catch on. Oops, too late. Maybe I should get back to the nation's security and try to make them believe I'm interested in protecting it, as if the state police shouldn't be sufficient for a few simple criminal acts.

Oh, and it may not be a good thing for you to continue making religion such a bad thing while you spell AMERICA with kkk. Yeau, I know, it was just a weird moment and you just had to say something hateful. It happens to the best of my political friends from Chicago, too.
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Aug 15, 2009
 
Warren you seriously have to be joking. Anyone that thinks that Americans will get innovative and up to the date medical treatments for nothing and have the govt subsidize it better think again.

Being in Australia, our healthcare system is in crisis and its been known for quite a while and is bitched at by all.

I have had awful experiences myself and with my terminally ill father with regards to the public health system which basically runs the palliative health care services. Patients left soiled, left hungry and not enough staff or services, there simply isn't enough funding and a lack of consistancy from facility to facility.

My husband is American and I'm sorry to see Americans being totally duped by Obama and his plans for govt programmes. Don't be fooled, Public programmes will never be the same nor as good as private services.

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Aug 16, 2009
 
LOL --hello?

The glorified mythology of idol-worshipping religions (in any of their flavors) perpetuate exclusivity and hatred while hiding behind that veil of goodness, dude. That admonishment for the subtext of KKK members burning crosses is just silly. So try again. You're PROUD of your perspectives, aren't you? It shows while you hide behind your anonymous picture there.

And that's too bad about your father's terminal illness and your experiences in Australia.

This is about President Obama and his team FINALLY taking steps to get the uninsured covered here in the States.

You paraphrasing the health care system in the USA by adding your "treatments for nothing and have the govt subsidize it" is ridiculously hypothetical pessimism.

The debates and discussions are about getting UNINSURED people to be insured; people who are happy with their own coverage do not need to change a thing about their own coverage. People can keep their plan if they're happy with it.

You are distracting FROM the facts.

In any event, I hope things are good in Sydney.

Take care, everyone.

Big hugs,

Warren

Warren G. Richards
Mesa AZ

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8 common myths about health insurance reform

1. Reform will stop "rationing" - not increase it: Itís a myth that reform will mean a "government takeover" of health care or lead to "rationing." To the contrary, reform will forbid many forms of rationing that are currently being used by insurance companies.

2. We canít afford reform: It's the status quo we can't afford. Itís a myth that reform will bust the budget. To the contrary, the President has identified ways to pay for the vast majority of the up-front costs by cutting waste, fraud, and abuse within existing government health programs; ending big subsidies to insurance companies; and increasing efficiency with such steps as coordinating care and streamlining paperwork. In the long term, reform can help bring down costs that will otherwise lead to a fiscal crisis.

3. Reform would encourage "euthanasia": It does not. Itís a malicious myth that reform would encourage or even require euthanasia for seniors. For seniors who want to consult with their family and physicians about end-of life decisions, reform will help to cover these voluntary, private consultations for those who want help with these personal and difficult family decisions.

4. Vets' health care is safe and sound: Itís a myth that health insurance reform will affect veterans' access to the care they get now. To the contrary, the President's budget significantly expands coverage under the VA, extending care to 500,000 more veterans who were previously excluded. The VA Healthcare system will continue to be available for all eligible veterans.

5. Reform will benefit small business - not burden it: Itís a myth that health insurance reform will hurt small businesses. To the contrary, reform will ease the burdens on small businesses, provide tax credits to help them pay for employee coverage and help level the playing field with big firms who pay much less to cover their employees on average.

6. Your Medicare is safe, and stronger with reform: Itís myth that Health Insurance Reform would be financed by cutting Medicare benefits. To the contrary, reform will improve the long-term financial health of Medicare, ensure better coordination, eliminate waste and unnecessary subsidies to insurance companies, and help to close the Medicare "doughnut" hole to make prescription drugs more affordable for seniors.

7. You can keep your own insurance: Itís myth that reform will force you out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors. To the contrary, reform will expand your choices, not eliminate them.

8. No, government will not do anything with your bank account: It is an absurd myth that government will be in charge of your bank accounts. Health insurance reform will simplify administration, making it easier and more convenient for you to pay bills in a method that you choose. Just like paying a phone bill or a utility bill, you can pay by traditional check, or by a direct electronic payment. And forms will be standardized so they will be easier to understand. The choice is up to you Ė and the same rules of privacy will apply as they do for all other electronic payments that people make.

Learn more and get details:

http://www.WhiteHouse.gov/realitycheck
http://www.WhiteHouse.gov/realitycheck/faq

OF COURSE you will see references such as websites FROM our side. I saw complaints on topix that said things like "We aren't believing that propaganda."

Who should we cite? Some BLOCK AND BLAME website?

Take care, everyone.

Big hugs,

Warren

Warren G. Richards
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Ozchic

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Aug 16, 2009
 
Warren G Richards wrote:
LOL --hello?
The glorified mythology of idol-worshipping religions (in any of their flavors) perpetuate exclusivity and hatred while hiding behind that veil of goodness, dude. That admonishment for the subtext of KKK members burning crosses is just silly. So try again. You're PROUD of your perspectives, aren't you? It shows while you hide behind your anonymous picture there.
And that's too bad about your father's terminal illness and your experiences in Australia.
This is about President Obama and his team FINALLY taking steps to get the uninsured covered here in the States.
You paraphrasing the health care system in the USA by adding your "treatments for nothing and have the govt subsidize it" is ridiculously hypothetical pessimism.
The debates and discussions are about getting UNINSURED people to be insured; people who are happy with their own coverage do not need to change a thing about their own coverage. People can keep their plan if they're happy with it.
You are distracting FROM the facts.
In any event, I hope things are good in Sydney.
Take care, everyone.
Big hugs,
Warren
Warren G. Richards
Mesa AZ
Warren, Pessimism? And I say this respectfully, I live in a public health system, as does my American husband who is actually from North Phoenix originally. It's not pessimism, it's fact.

Have you experienced socialised healthcare? There is a reason why those who can afford it get to the US to access ie the Mayo Clinic. Nobody is making a beeline to the NHS or to Canada or to Australia for treatment. The truth is, most of the specialists I have dealt with have initially been US trained and worked there before bringing their services back home.

I do agree however that insurance companies in the US should not discriminate against pre existing conditions, but with respect to covering the uninsured, quite alot from the figures I have heard are young people who don't think they need insurance, yes your system needs to be reformed, but to overahual and turn it into a similar system to the one I have isn't required. The public health care system is underfunded here, not enough beds, doctors, nurses and services covered by the govt are in fact rationed. They have to be. Now we are a population of about 20 million - you guys 300 million? Simple math = there isn't enough rich people to pay the higher taxes to cover everyone.

Just so you know, because the public system here sucks, we have private insurance also, and pay close to $300 a month for both of us, otherwise if we got ill we'd have to wait to see speciaists, get into hospital for procedures, even showing up to emergency, if you google, you will find a well profiled case here where a woman was told by nurses to miscarriage in the public toilet of a hospital, which she did. They had no beds, did not have a doctor to see her.

Also because private insurance here covers certain things the govt system does not, that is what keeps us with a private health care insurance in this country. But if they had to compete and provide exactly the same services, Who on earth would be stupid to pay for private insurance? When the govt offers the same and subsidized?

Its evident Obama cannot promise the same as a private health care plan would, and given the choice any sensible employer or business would of course switch over to govt health care because its cheaper from them - so your claims about keeping private insurance aren't guaranteed nor true.

But thank you for the response, I'm not a KKK member by the way, and yep I've been through Mesa.

Cheers
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Aug 16, 2009
 
Palin herself sponsored a "Living Will Day" during the first six months of her abbreviated term as governor.

She's an opportunistic liar who is eager to satisfy her corporate masters, even if it means cheating the rest of us of sensible, affordable health care.

And she's an appalling hypocrite to drag her innocent baby into this giant lie.

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Aug 17, 2009
 
Hi, Ozchic.

I'm familiar with some public health scenarios that you're referencing, and the fact remains that this public option that President Obama, et al, have been talkng about is not the horrific scenario that Grassley and other Republican trouble-makers, the GOP Block And Blame cheerleaders, have been misleading everybody. The beginning of that response of mine w/ the KKK and other slams was to Liberty Wilfred/Wilford (haha) and then the rest to you --I'm sorry if that wasn't too clear for you and/or others.

There are some more pressing things that need to get done now, yet I did not want to leave the computer without gettin back to you, Ozchick, so take care everyone.

Big hugs,

Warren

Warren G. Richards
Mesa AZ

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