Costs of end-of-life care part of U.S. health-reform debate

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One of them is Wanda Owens, who was in the hospital and an extended-care facility before going home in March 2008.
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the truth

Maysville, OK

#43 Aug 31, 2009
GOP-LIES-DEBUNKED wrote:
factcheck.org
politifact.com
mediamatters.org
A good Documentry about "Money Driven Medicine"
pbs.org/billmoyersjournal 27 Aug 2009
GOP-LIES-DEBUNKE D
Columbus, OH
The only thing correct on this post is that people want action on healthcare! But not more of the same, more government intervention and control that has messed it up like everything else the government touches.

The Climate is right (we the people) want the climate to change that we can count on. NO MORE LIBíS and their BS ACRON and Apollo left wing communist man made global warming lies to redistribute the wealth from Americans to everyone else. Thanks to Joe the plumber being the human to pine Obama down on the truth when the chosen one did not have his teleprompter to tell him what to say.

And for what other socialist countries spend is a lie. They ration and decide who gets to live or die by looking at the budget and age and who they want to live. That is why the people their in the UK, France and Canada come here to get real healthcare they can count on and not using their own. If it were so good tell them to stay home.

And if what the DNC is offering all Americans except themselves in office, why donít they take what they want us to have if it is so good.

And for the lies on the GOP like Tiberi or Boehner this Mary Joe Killjoy person is wasting our tax payer dollars by posting here. Letís kick her out in 2010 and this lame excuse of a person. Now this is change we can count on and hope for the future of America and to take back the greatest country in history based on the constitution not a communist fascist, racist enslave the publication Obama and his communist and terrorist Czars. Like the science Czar that in his book says (a child can be killed above the age of 2 as it is not a human yet).

Now this is choice as long as these left wing revolutionary radicalsí make the choice for you and I and who lives and who dies. Fight back and go to every elected person office and e-mail and call them and let them know they not only will be out of office but we are going to take their perks away and try each of them for treason. This is change they can count on.
What price life

Columbus, OH

#44 Aug 31, 2009
I cannot believe this is such a fierce debate. One story I only read a portion of was that a small child had a brain tumor or brain cancer and his parents insurance company capped his payout at $2 million. The article didn't say if he died or lived.
If the drugs are in that hospital then give them to the patient. There are always ways in the future for doctors and hospitals to try and recoup that money. USE what he HAVE today to help someone. Give LIFE a chance. I know I'd want to fight for it.
Some hospitals don't turn anyone away for their inability to pay. Some send them home. That's a death sentence. This is 2009 and the greatest country in America.
I actually believe that the number one problem in America is all these people on "disability" who don't really need it. I'm not saying disability is a bad thing. I'm saying that I know plenty of people who "work" and then just realize that's not for them and start calling off sick until they build up a case to "prove they can't work".
There's not a damn thing wrong with them except the fact they want a free ride. I have actually heard one giving advice to another on how to collect. "They will deny you when you apply for disability. You have to be off work at least a year and keep applying. After at least one year of no work they'll stamp your case and you will get it".
They have the routine down pat and pass that information along with their friends.
Disability is more money than they would have earned if they worked 30 years in one job. It is money they will get each month in the mail without getting up day after day, month after month like the average John and Jane Doe.
They are "disabled". Watch them sitting from 8 am until 1 am in a local bar drinking. Watch them going to the local bowling lanes and bowling in tournaments with friends and family. Drive by their house and look at that nice boat in their driveway. Disabled and able to go bowling and boating? It's fraud. It's abuse.
I'd venture to say, and this is just MY opinion, but I belive that it might be as high as 25% of the people who have disability "can work". But if they work it won't be as much as they are earning on a disability benefit. It will take up 40 hours of their week to work while they are used to staying at home or other activities. It's the same as lifelong welfare. They just had a doctor fill out the forms they ask for so they can't work and apply.
I'm not blaming all doctors. You go in and tell him your arm hurts so bad that you can't work and he or she will do the best they can to help. After month after month of continued complaining and "no relief", you suddenly missed x amount of work and need to be disabled and get disability.
Some companies are glad to get rid of you. You just don't want to show up and probably are a poor worker to boot. You are off their hands and now on the hands of the government. On OUR hands.
I think this administration needs to seriously take a look at a lot of these cases of disability and send investigators out to start videotaping these "clients" on their day to day activities. I think if they found they did kick out as high as 25% of these frauds, they'd see a huge surge in surplus money that would now go to people who truly genuinely need it.
What price life to you? Will the money run out and they send you home to die? Then sun will rise the next day and you'll look out your window and see your disabled neighbor climbing into his boat to go out on the lake enjoying life. Your years of work come to an end as life has knocked on your door and you realized you worked all that time for them to enjoy life as your insurance said your time is up.
DEE
GOP-LIES-DEBUNKE D

Columbus, OH

#45 Aug 31, 2009
the truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Better check in with your god Obama to see how to dig out of this his Waterloo.
ANOTHER STUPID REPLY OF YOURS!! UP YOUR MEDS!!

To "The Truth?"

"The Truth?"

Read Carefully About This Post!

Man you are really "A PATHETIC LUNATIC"! All you have done on these sites is "Rant and Rave" equal to Charles Manson! We believe that you have the Identical DNA make of Charles Manson! We will not debate you now or never! You can not even "Debate" in a "POLITE" manner here on this site. You are absolutely DISCUSTING!

Lady Liberty was destroyed by G.W.Bush, Cheney, and the Republican Party!

You NEVER Posted any sites to go and VERIFY your statements, and the only one you did was DEBUNKED, faster than the TRASH you post.

Time for your MEDS! Increase the Dosage 50%!

Since: Aug 09

AOL

#46 Aug 31, 2009
the truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Better check in with your god Obama to see how to dig out of this his Waterloo.
What I understand and you don't is that the Republicans have to run somebody, and the Palins and Huckabees of the world have their own problems with the public.
lfod

Pickerington, OH

#47 Aug 31, 2009
GOP-LIES-DEBUNKED wrote:
<quoted text>
ANOTHER STUPID REPLY OF YOURS!! UP YOUR MEDS!!
To "The Truth?"
"The Truth?"
Read Carefully About This Post!
Man you are really "A PATHETIC LUNATIC"! All you have done on these sites is "Rant and Rave" equal to Charles Manson! We believe that you have the Identical DNA make of Charles Manson! We will not debate you now or never! You can not even "Debate" in a "POLITE" manner here on this site. You are absolutely DISCUSTING!
Lady Liberty was destroyed by G.W.Bush, Cheney, and the Republican Party!
You NEVER Posted any sites to go and VERIFY your statements, and the only one you did was DEBUNKED, faster than the TRASH you post.
Time for your MEDS! Increase the Dosage 50%!
Step away from the computer and leave mommys basement there is a real world that is not Lord of the rings, dungones and dragoons, harry potter or MSNBC. The goverment is only good at goofing up and one would be wise to trust NONE OF THEM
the truth

Maysville, OK

#48 Sep 7, 2009
lfod wrote:
<quoted text>
Step away from the computer and leave mommys basement there is a real world that is not Lord of the rings, dungones and dragoons, harry potter or MSNBC. The goverment is only good at goofing up and one would be wise to trust NONE OF THEM
Right on these ACORN and Apollo Obama Brown shirt troopers are busy on here under many names to make everyone think there are more than the five playing lord of the rings.

great post.
the truth

Maysville, OK

#49 Sep 7, 2009
OhioLawyer wrote:
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What I understand and you don't is that the Republicans have to run somebody, and the Palins and Huckabees of the world have their own problems with the public.
You do not deny Obama is your god thank you for this bit of truth from you on the left.

Now check in with your orders from ACORN and Apllo and Obama the chosen one.
the truth

Maysville, OK

#50 Sep 7, 2009
GOP-LIES-DEBUNKED wrote:
<quoted text>
ANOTHER STUPID REPLY OF YOURS!! UP YOUR MEDS!!
To "The Truth?"
"The Truth?"
Read Carefully About This Post!
Man you are really "A PATHETIC LUNATIC"! All you have done on these sites is "Rant and Rave" equal to Charles Manson! We believe that you have the Identical DNA make of Charles Manson! We will not debate you now or never! You can not even "Debate" in a "POLITE" manner here on this site. You are absolutely DISCUSTING!
Lady Liberty was destroyed by G.W.Bush, Cheney, and the Republican Party!
You NEVER Posted any sites to go and VERIFY your statements, and the only one you did was DEBUNKED, faster than the TRASH you post.
Time for your MEDS! Increase the Dosage 50%!
Obama lies Americans die

Libs lie Americans die

Rohm Emmanuel lies fish die

DNC lies Grand ma dies

Dumb Obamabotís lie freedom dies

Demís in office terrorist go free to kill Americans

Dem;s in office Americans lose jobs

Obama in office Americans lose homes

Libís lie and raise taxes and cost jobs

Strickland in office Ohioans die

Mary Joe Killjoy in office Ohioans die

Brown in Office Ohioans die

2010 -2012 TAKE BACK AMERICA AND SAVE GRANDMA AND FREEDOM.

Impeach the demís and try them for treason and reopen GITMO for them.
the truth

Maysville, OK

#51 Sep 7, 2009
GOP-LIES-DEBUNKED wrote:
<quoted text>
ANOTHER STUPID REPLY OF YOURS!! UP YOUR MEDS!!
To "The Truth?"
"The Truth?"
Read Carefully About This Post!
Man you are really "A PATHETIC LUNATIC"! All you have done on these sites is "Rant and Rave" equal to Charles Manson! We believe that you have the Identical DNA make of Charles Manson! We will not debate you now or never! You can not even "Debate" in a "POLITE" manner here on this site. You are absolutely DISCUSTING!
Lady Liberty was destroyed by G.W.Bush, Cheney, and the Republican Party!
You NEVER Posted any sites to go and VERIFY your statements, and the only one you did was DEBUNKED, faster than the TRASH you post.
Time for your MEDS! Increase the Dosage 50%!
Give what ever reason you will not debate but the truth is you have nothing to debate with. You attack and when it comes back to you cry victim and the opposition is not polite, yet you try and frame the debate so you control it.

Not here and not with the American people we have had it with your communist/ progressive agenda to destroy the greatest country in the history of the world and mankind.

You hate it and can not do anything about it so you go back to one of your 3 narcissist tactics, 1 is try to befriend, 2 attack when you do not get your way and 3 victim.

This is all you can do and are so easy to play to show everyone what you are by unmasking your lies. You might read a few books which I know you wonít as I have given you a few to read.(people of the lie) this is you and the left today.

I only put this info out there for others to read more detail about it. You could read this one in between your ACRON marching orders and it is easy to read that you could understand but it would never help you or your fellow brown shirts.

Have a bad day as you see your USSR Obama ship sinking.

Obama stayed in a communist racist so called church with Jeremiah Wright for 20 years.

Friends with terrorists Bill Ayers

Obamas two books tell of his love for Sal Alinsky

The list is on going and Van Jones is who Obama loves and thinks alike

Look at all of his Czars they are all the same.

Obama lies Americans die

Libs lie Americans die

Rohm Emmanuel lies fish die

DNC lies Grand ma dies

Dumb Obamabotís lie freedom dies

Demís in office terrorist go free to kill Americans

Dem;s in office Americans lose jobs

Obama in office Americans lose homes

Libís lie and raise taxes and cost jobs

Strickland in office Ohioans die

Mary Joe Killjoy in office Ohioans die

Brown in Office Ohioans die

2010 -2012 TAKE BACK AMERICA AND SAVE GRANDMA AND FREEDOM.

Impeach the demís and try them for treason and reopen GITMO for them.
Proud-American

United States

#52 Sep 7, 2009
Poem for UGLY Right Wing Americans!

I have read your lies of posted wit!
From out of nowhere did you get!
The lines that do not fit!
"We The People" you do not get!
Your words of wisdom are not art!
More like you a brain fart!
You Post and try to roast!
From East to West Coast!
You who have no Knowledge about Health Care!
You Will be saved by Obama Care!
The Purple Kool-Aid You Eagerly Drink!
For your Statements sure do Stink!
You believe in Glenn Beck!
Who is Thirty Cards Short of a Deck!
For the Illegal Druggs You Take!
Your Sentenance they do not Make!
For it is Druggs they call "Dope!"
You look to Rush for Hope!
All he can say is Nope!
So in conculsion!
For your confusion!
I offer a solution!
To Stop your Polution!
From your words of wit!
Flush them down you piece of ****!
the truth

Maysville, OK

#54 Sep 7, 2009
Proud-American wrote:
Poem for UGLY Right Wing Americans!
I have read your lies of posted wit!
From out of nowhere did you get!
The lines that do not fit!
"We The People" you do not get!
Your words of wisdom are not art!
More like you a brain fart!
You Post and try to roast!
From East to West Coast!
You who have no Knowledge about Health Care!
You Will be saved by Obama Care!
The Purple Kool-Aid You Eagerly Drink!
For your Statements sure do Stink!
You believe in Glenn Beck!
Who is Thirty Cards Short of a Deck!
For the Illegal Druggs You Take!
Your Sentenance they do not Make!
For it is Druggs they call "Dope!"
You look to Rush for Hope!
All he can say is Nope!
So in conculsion!
For your confusion!
I offer a solution!
To Stop your Polution!
From your words of wit!
Flush them down you piece of ****!
Here is a left communist poem for you in the style of slash and burn.

You dish out and tell what to think,

Your dead fish is a bad smell as you sink

But do not know how to take.

You on the left are all fakes

Obama loves anti Americans like Wright

Yo Mama knows Americans are right

The left lies and Americans die

Strickland sticks them

And we get to pick them

In 2010 you lose it all

American wins from your downfall

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