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How Can We Improve Modesty in Medial Settings?

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MPM

Waynesville, NC

#1 Mar 13, 2012
For those who feel strongly about modesty, share your feedback about what issues you think Medical Patient Modesty should address at http://medicalpatientmodesty.blogspot.com/ .
paula

Selkirk, NY

#2 Mar 13, 2012
MPM wrote:
For those who feel strongly about modesty, share your feedback about what issues you think Medical Patient Modesty should address at http://medicalpatientmodesty.blogspot.com/ .
use only woman docs. Guys, move aside your not wanted anymore.
improve

Elizabethtown, KY

#3 Mar 25, 2012
things will only improve if enough people speak up and protest some common practices that make all of us uncomfortable in medical settings. i am totally opposed to males being involved in gynecology or obstetrics or male nurses/technicians being allowed inside the room doing intimate care on women, many times against the protests of pateints and family memebers such as a husband or father, they simply dont get it for some reason that we are not ok with a male making sexual contact with our spouse, even though they will swear up and down there is nothing sexual about it at all. and while the intentions may be good on their part, it still not appropriate in my view in lue of pateint feedback if they continue. i am one that is fed up with doctors getting by with it because of waving a diploma in our face. unless we let them know we care nothing will change.
man

Elizabethtown, KY

#4 Apr 28, 2012
improve wrote:
things will only improve if enough people speak up and protest some common practices that make all of us uncomfortable in medical settings. i am totally opposed to males being involved in gynecology or obstetrics or male nurses/technicians being allowed inside the room doing intimate care on women, many times against the protests of pateints and family memebers such as a husband or father, they simply dont get it for some reason that we are not ok with a male making sexual contact with our spouse, even though they will swear up and down there is nothing sexual about it at all. and while the intentions may be good on their part, it still not appropriate in my view in lue of pateint feedback if they continue. i am one that is fed up with doctors getting by with it because of waving a diploma in our face. unless we let them know we care nothing will change.
so true, yet i think a lot of people are the types that are to nice to say anything, or fear that their request would not be honored anyway, or dont want to appear jealous so they sit and grit their teeth silently. it was to overwhelming for me to keep silent, but because my wife was on a medical card one time they felt like they could be free to use anyone they wanted with or without my approval. for the birth of our first child i wasnt even aware that a male medical student was used in training on my wife, that was years ago and it still upsets me to this day
MPM

Waynesville, NC

#5 Apr 28, 2012
man wrote:
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so true, yet i think a lot of people are the types that are to nice to say anything, or fear that their request would not be honored anyway, or dont want to appear jealous so they sit and grit their teeth silently. it was to overwhelming for me to keep silent, but because my wife was on a medical card one time they felt like they could be free to use anyone they wanted with or without my approval. for the birth of our first child i wasnt even aware that a male medical student was used in training on my wife, that was years ago and it still upsets me to this day
I am sorry to hear about your bad experience. You are certainly not controlling at all because you are willing to let your wife use a female doctor. You would not be comfortable with a male plumber watching your wife use a toilet. A male doctor is not morally above other men.

See a great article about how to ensure that you get an all female medical team for the birth of your child at http://patientprivacyreview.blogspot.com/2012... and http://patientmodesty.com/childbirthmodesty.a... .
afpm

Reno, NV

#7 Aug 6, 2012
paula wrote:
<quoted text> use only woman docs. Guys, move aside your not wanted anymore.
Hmmmm, that solves the problem for women, but what about men? Patient Modesty is not just about female patients. 92% of nurses are female, so how do we solve medical modesty for men?
MPM

Waynesville, NC

#8 Aug 6, 2012
afpm wrote:
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Hmmmm, that solves the problem for women, but what about men? Patient Modesty is not just about female patients. 92% of nurses are female, so how do we solve medical modesty for men?
I agree with you completely about male patient modesty. Many people falsely assume that modesty doesn't matter for men. I remember when I was a teenager that one of my friends said that men didn't have to worry about modesty in medical settings. It is true that women usually have to see doctor for intimate procedures at earlier age. But men have to face modesty concerns when they go in for male intimate procedures or surgery. People are unnecessarily stripped naked for certain surgeries such as knee. Check out some male modesty violation cases at http://patientmodesty.com/Case.aspx... . Check out some information about male patient modesty at http://patientmodesty.com/malemodesty.aspx . Dr. Joel Sherman wrote a great article about how genital exams are not necessary for sports physicals at http://patientprivacyreview.blogspot.com/2011... .
afpm

Reno, NV

#10 Aug 6, 2012
pailrider wrote:
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You have to realise there is a massive difference, as I posted numerous times. Men run on testosterone,female doctors do NOT put ky on finger and penetrate a mans sexual organ, that is the main issue, it is a sexual act.
Oh, come on pailrider. Are you really saying that there is nothing a female nurse or doctor can do to ruin the sanctity, trust, and bond of a marriage? A male gyn can penetrate a woman...yes. A female nurse can do intimate things to a husband that only a wife should be doing as well. Whether master-minded or driven by testosterone or anthing else, you should not belittle the sexual bond that a woman feeels with her husband. That is exactly the kind of attitude that damages the advocacy for male modesty. And , by the way, demeans the respect that woman have for their own husbands that other women trample on. You should be understanding how we all feel.
If you want to be graphic, we can compare acts to acts and see what we consider a sexual 'medical' act as well.
Charles

Bedford, MA

#11 Aug 6, 2012
My wife stopped seeing a male gunk when I told her how much it really bothered me. Thank god. I don't know why some wives give their husbands a hard time about this. Flame me if you want, I don't care.
Charles

United States

#12 Aug 6, 2012
afpm wrote:
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Oh, come on pailrider. Are you really saying that there is nothing a female nurse or doctor can do to ruin the sanctity, trust, and bond of a marriage? A male gyn can penetrate a woman...yes. A female nurse can do intimate things to a husband that only a wife should be doing as well. Whether master-minded or driven by testosterone or anthing else, you should not belittle the sexual bond that a woman feeels with her husband. That is exactly the kind of attitude that damages the advocacy for male modesty. And , by the way, demeans the respect that woman have for their own husbands that other women trample on. You should be understanding how we all feel.
If you want to be graphic, we can compare acts to acts and see what we consider a sexual 'medical' act as well.
. I agree that woman doctors probably wouldn't get off on examining a males genitals or giving a prostate exam, however it's still crosses the boundaries between husband and wife, also boyfriend/ girlfriend. Intimate exams should only be done by doctors of the same gender, unless it's an emergency care.
afpm

Reno, NV

#13 Aug 6, 2012
Charles wrote:
<quoted text>. I agree that woman doctors probably wouldn't get off on examining a males genitals or giving a prostate exam, however it's still crosses the boundaries between husband and wife, also boyfriend/ girlfriend. Intimate exams should only be done by doctors of the same gender, unless it's an emergency care.
Charles. Respectfully...yes they do. I've interviewed many, it just seems as if men (and women) are in denial about it.

What it proves is that we must all advocate for each other, Male AND Female. The truth helps everyone, and I advocate for all.
Charles

United States

#14 Aug 6, 2012
afpm wrote:
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Charles. Respectfully...yes they do. I've interviewed many, it just seems as if men (and women) are in denial about it.
What it proves is that we must all advocate for each other, Male AND Female. The truth helps everyone, and I advocate for all.
probably not as much as men, but we're on the same page. Same gender doctors.
afpm

Reno, NV

#15 Aug 7, 2012
pailrider wrote:
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You have to realise there is a massive difference, as I posted numerous times. Men run on testosterone,female doctors do NOT put ky on finger and penetrate a mans sexual organ, that is the main issue, it is a sexual act.
Yes pailrider, I've read your 'numerous posts'. I have to say that you show disrespect to all men when you decry that "we are all pigs but it's not our fault." ( an editorial paraphrase perhaps)
It is a disservice to men who have a truely loving relationship and women who enjoy a passionate sexual relationship.
You can pull the predator card, but I can make a sexist remark and say 'streak on a ring of lipstick and strap on a pair of higheels and we can get whatever we want for the evening." Or two. Or life.
So who's the sexual predator now?
Truth: while placing a Foley, many (many many)female nurses think of sex. While giving an intimate bed bath many (many many) female nurses think of sex, and when doing genital shaving, many (many many) female nurses think of sex. Maybe it bothers you, maybe it doesn't. But it is destructive to have so many men taken advantage of in such a vulnerable position.

So when MPM asks what we can do? We need to change the attitudes of some patients as well as most caregivers.
MPM

Waynesville, NC

#19 Aug 7, 2012
pailrider wrote:
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WOW that is total hogwash, I show disrespect to men, why do you think I post here? because I disagree with blokes stance on the dominance of male gynecologist, often raping women during training under anesthesia, in the name of medicine. You need to get real IMO.
I have never used the word pigs, post me a link to it? MPM should choose a female doctor as all women should for intimate exams, haven't your read the doctors post.
You have to realize man is very very different to women, repeat throw dog in field with bitch, a crude description but it proves how the animal kingdom works.
However, after all my posts, obviously gender choice is up to the individual and partners acceptance IMHO.
I think you may have me confused with another woman. I made it clear that I would never go to a male gynecologist or a male doctor for intimate women's health issues. I don't mind going to a male doctor for non-intimate health issues such as ear infections.
MPM

Waynesville, NC

#20 Aug 7, 2012
afpm wrote:
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Oh, come on pailrider. Are you really saying that there is nothing a female nurse or doctor can do to ruin the sanctity, trust, and bond of a marriage? A male gyn can penetrate a woman...yes. A female nurse can do intimate things to a husband that only a wife should be doing as well. Whether master-minded or driven by testosterone or anthing else, you should not belittle the sexual bond that a woman feeels with her husband. That is exactly the kind of attitude that damages the advocacy for male modesty. And , by the way, demeans the respect that woman have for their own husbands that other women trample on. You should be understanding how we all feel.
If you want to be graphic, we can compare acts to acts and see what we consider a sexual 'medical' act as well.
Thank you so much for bringing those points! Male patient modesty is as important as female patient modesty. I think it is hypocritical when a husband insists that his wife doesn't go to a male doctor for intimate health issues, but he sees nothing wrong with himself having a female doctor or nurse for intimate male procedires.
afpm

Reno, NV

#21 Aug 7, 2012
"However, after all my posts, obviously gender choice is up to the individual and partners acceptance IMHO."

On this we agree. How or why we get there.....we probably won't.

But I do hope it's enough to get every patient the dignity they deserve, whether it's my husband or your wife.
afpm

Reno, NV

#22 Aug 7, 2012
MPM wrote:
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Thank you so much for bringing those points! Male patient modesty is as important as female patient modesty. I think it is hypocritical when a husband insists that his wife doesn't go to a male doctor for intimate health issues, but he sees nothing wrong with himself having a female doctor or nurse for intimate male procedires.
Thank you MPM. Keep up the good work for both genders!
Richard

Bedford, MA

#23 Aug 7, 2012
afpm wrote:
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Thank you MPM. Keep up the good work for both genders!
. Afpm, I agree with you also. I don't know why it wouldn't bother any wife to have another woman put k y on their fingers and feel her husbands prostate, which is a sexual gland which can give pleasure.
Richard

Medford, MA

#25 Aug 8, 2012
pailrider wrote:
The prostate theory fails, a biopsy is necessary to check for cancer. I've been there frig, it ain't
good, extremely uncomfortable painful, never again.
The prostate gland is not accessible for manual exam.
Women use the testicle exam in reply, well they are dead dangly wood, no or little feeling, defo nothing sexual with them,if anything uncomfortable,
things that get in the way, better without when
firing blanks lol.
the prostate is accessible for manual exam, I've had it done. It's still an intimate exam. I agree, woman really get abused by male docs thAts for real. However I can empathize with a woman who says she feels horrible when her husband gets an intimate exam by female doctor. Horrible is horrible, I'm not saying my feeling of horrible is any worse then said woman, are you?
Richard

Medford, MA

#26 Aug 8, 2012
pailrider wrote:
The prostate theory fails, a biopsy is necessary to check for cancer. I've been there frig, it ain't
good, extremely uncomfortable painful, never again.
The prostate gland is not accessible for manual exam.
Women use the testicle exam in reply, well they are dead dangly wood, no or little feeling, defo nothing sexual with them,if anything uncomfortable,
things that get in the way, better without when
firing blanks lol.
Do you really believe your pain is worse then anybody els ?

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