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How soon should your daughter start seeing a gynecologist? Earlier than most people think, say Drs.

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How soon should your daughter start seeing a gynecologist? Earlier than most people think, say Drs.

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Debz

Ottawa, Canada

#116 Sep 28, 2012
Johnny O wrote:
<quoted text> Johnny o , retired obgyn. Owner of obgyn clinic. I'm retired though I still own the only all male obgyn clinic in the Northeast. I believe my older patients only want to see male doctors. I'm there every day supervising and assisting with some exams or acting as a chaperone. I enjoy helping woman.
I bet you enjoy helping women and helping yourself.....an acquired and very specific taste/fetish you have fine tuned into a lucrative profession that has lined your pockets and bulged your pants for many years

I aint buying it mate.....and I feel sorry for those die hard old ladies that keep coming back for more "service"

Thankfully the tide is changing and you and your kind are being exposed for what you really are.....misplaced, misled, missleading, miss-conduct.......its just one huge miss when it comes to contributing any real value to the pursuit of "well women's health" within the medical field

Id suggest - while there's still breath in your body.....look deep within and address some of these real issues you have struggled with over a lifetime of vagina fixation.....and make your contributions to the cause of weeding out the male from FEmale sexual health professions.

In the meantime - please refraim from "grooming" future generations via misleading and dishonest thread comments....in you "sweet innocet old man guise"

Btw - I have posted some poetry on these related threads u might appreciate the oppertunity to read.....in order to, for once, consider how a lot of women "really" feel at the hands of you and your kind.
Debz

Ottawa, Canada

#117 Sep 28, 2012
Johnny O wrote:
<quoted text> Johnny o , retired obgyn. Owner of obgyn clinic. I'm retired though I still own the only all male obgyn clinic in the Northeast. I believe my older patients only want to see male doctors. I'm there every day supervising and assisting with some exams or acting as a chaperone. I enjoy helping woman.
Poetry as promised "Good Dr"......like I said "Iaint buying it"

My diary of a mad black woman

Dr.'s expect u t drop all social norms as u drop your nickers

Open your mind to psychological trauma - as u open your legs

This they require in exchange for a pious air of urgent inconvenience

Their time is precious
Their profession is sacred
Their ego is fed
Their agenda is satisfied
Their dick is hard
Their fantasies fulfilled

I'm sorry did u think this was all about u?

__________

The Virgin Mary & Whore Well Woman Clinic

Our Hospital Pledge:

Here, at The VMW-WWC, we are proud to be able to offer you the great medical leveling experience, complete ‘parity of esteem’….
Here we aren't a respecter of persons.........one size (Fat stubby finger) fits all.

Footnote: All patients please be advised that (in the interest of “patient confidentiality and Doctor’s fetish) spouses are not allowed to accompany partners into “private consultations”. Please honor the,“very sacred”, Dr./Patient relationship of the medical gynecological profession.

“VMW-WWW, Clinic of choice,……. for the unique “Arrive a Virgin and leave a Whore” experience”.
Debz

Ottawa, Canada

#119 Oct 1, 2012
pailrider wrote:
<quoted text>
Debz is on form, a lioness awakes lol---Grrrrrrrr!
Cant u just imagine this dirty old man lingering round examining rooms - and for what purpous? Freak!

All the while telling himself he's a hero who's invested a lifetime in this honorable profession......

Talk about having your cake and eating it - If I get to cause him a fraction of the discomfort he's meeted out to his paients via his letcherous hands and eyeballs - my job is done

Eww - to think he's older than my father and would yet still think he has business in my daughter's nickers is truly repulsive.....what the hell were we all thinking....talk about brainwashing.....eww...ewww
Debz

Ottawa, Canada

#121 Oct 6, 2012
LanceAlotofM wrote:
my two before teens have both been opened up for inspection, and ONLY a male gyno will ever look up them, not some ©unt muncher, fu©k off lezboz.:-)
"my two before teens have both been opened up for inspection"

What kind of way is that to talk about your two daughters you sick bastard!!!
Debz

Ottawa, Canada

#122 Oct 7, 2012
Not With My Lady You Dont wrote:
The news story in the following link was aired on local television Tuesday morning. I haven't had time until now to pass it along.
Keep in mind that he has yet to be tried, so still considered innocent. But why would 3 different women make similar complaints if nothing ever took place?
I'll reserve calling him a PIG until after the conviction. "How soon should your daughter start seeing a gynecologist?" Depends. How soon would you like to start throwing her to the wolves?
http://www.wtnh.com/dpp/news/crime/clinton-do...
From another forum:

There has been A LOT of talk about the Jimmy Savile scandal. Many, many people of my generation and older and now saying that they were sexually abused in schools. The staff and school authorities colluded with one another. These vile creeps don't work in isolation but are usually part of a huge network.

I think that doctors being allowed access to minors' bodies in the name of health checks was part of one. It was going on all over the UK for decades.

It makes me so very, very angry I can't even write about it anymore.


Vered
Not With My Lady You Dont

AOL

#123 Oct 7, 2012
Debz wrote:
<quoted text>
"my two before teens have both been opened up for inspection"
What kind of way is that to talk about your two daughters you sick bastard!!!
Don't worry Debz. He/she's just one of those little things that real people run into once in a while on Topix called a troll. They do a hit-n-run just to annoy.
(his/her head should be opened up for inspection)
Debz

Ottawa, Canada

#124 Oct 7, 2012
Not With My Lady You Dont wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't worry Debz. He/she's just one of those little things that real people run into once in a while on Topix called a troll. They do a hit-n-run just to annoy.
(his/her head should be opened up for inspection)
I hope to God he's not actually a father tho
Debz

Ottawa, Canada

#125 Oct 8, 2012
Just how deep is the madness?

The sex talk, part 2: The premarital exam

Written by Vanessa Perkins | Posted: October 8, 2012

In my last article, I focused on the importance of sexual education and the need for it in our public schools. While discussing the issue of sexual education, I also wanted to explore the phenomenon of premarital exams.

A premarital exam generally happens before a woman gets married and is not very common outside of Utah. In other states, a premarital exam is a blood test. In Utah, it can include a full pelvic exam and a Q-and-A portion, where both women and men are encouraged to bring whatever questions they may have to the table. Each exam is different depending on the doctor, but this is the general format.

Having questions before entering a sexual relationship for the first time is perfectly natural. I’m curious to know, however, if some of the questions that couples have are, indeed, questions that may have been answered in a sex education course in school that was more inclusive than abstinence only.

When I started my “Sex Ed” article journey, I thought I knew exactly how I felt about sexual education in schools and in pre marital exams. I had drawn the conclusion that premarital exams were specific to Utah because kids and teenagers weren’t learning important information in schools about sex. Now, even though I think there’s still a connection, I feel that they are essential because of the overall lack of knowledge.

A premarital exam provides women a safe, nonjudgmental environment to talk and ask questions about sex. Every woman needs that.

About five years ago, I went through my own exam in preparation of getting married. It wasn’t my first time at a gynecologist office, so I felt pretty comfortable with the whole thing.

In my own exam, I didn’t feel as though I gained any new valuable insight. I walked away with maybe a couple of new tidbits of information and what I like to call vaginal stretchers: expanding kits that allow women to stretch themselves in preparation of having sex for the first time. Everything else I had either learned in school, at home or from my friends.

I do think that the reason I didn’t learn too much had more to do with the actual doctor than the nature of premarital exams themselves. After talking to the UVU Health Center, it seems that I missed out on a lot of good information essential to me as a woman.

Aside from learning about women’s health, there are certain things that schools will not cover in great detail. Having a doctor’s professional insight can really be helpful, especially since they do an exam and can answer questions and be insightful, specific to you and your soon-to-be partner.

Premarital exams cover information about different types of birth control and provide women with important information about their health, like self-breast exams and pap smears. They also provide information for men about their health, as well.

These exams are also helpful for women who are already sexually active, and these women actually get a pap smear as part of their appointment. All in all, I am convinced that these exams are helpful and think they would also be helpful outside of Utah.

I think the only concern is when a premarital exam is the first time a woman goes to a gynecologist. According to the American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, women should see a gynecologist as early as the ages of 13-15.

Thirteen seems young, and to be honest, I didn’t go until I was 17, but it makes sense because that’s about the age girls hit puberty, and I think that the sooner women can become comfortable with the gynecologist, the better
Debz

Ottawa, Canada

#126 Oct 8, 2012
Debz

Ottawa, Canada

#127 Oct 12, 2012
Good related (to thread) quote from another forum:

We've said it before, but it bears repeating--nobody would want to send their teenage son to a doctor who is sexually sexually attracted to young men, but they don't bat an eye when it comes to sending their teenage daughter to a doctor who finds young women sexually attractive. How many women would not go to a podiatrist who is into women's feet?

CW
Debz

Ottawa, Canada

#129 Oct 12, 2012
pailrider wrote:
<quoted text>
WOW is that really a womens words, "well" brainwashed if they actually are' Best explain to women about the desease god has given them and get it sorted by a nice any gender doctor ""NOT""
Good money spinner, nice way to build customer base,fill pockets,
the real world HEY!!!!
Sorry to tell you Debz, you have a serious problem which needs fixing NOT lol...
If it ain't broke don't fix it :)
Pre Marital Dr Visits:

This woman didn't even have a disease needing sorting - she was simply looking to get married as a virgin and wanted the good Doctor's tips - like how to STRETCH HER OWN VAGINA IN PREPARATION FOR SEX!!!! can u imagine?

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#130 Oct 12, 2012
Not With My Lady You Dont wrote:
<quoted text>
John, for what it's worth, I think you're taking the right approach. I hope that by the time your daughter is approaching that "older age" that you mention that either you or her mom will have educated her regarding the TRUE cause of cervical cancer and how very rare it is.
According to figures published by the Center for Disease Control (CDC) for 2007, 2.4 women out of a group of 100,000 died from cervical cancer in the U.S.
Doctors do not disclose these figures for self-sustaining reasons.
Think about it....if you provide some type of specialized service, are you going to turn business away based on true statistics, or accept (and maybe even promote) your business?
Women are NOT born as a walking disease waiting to happen.
What a frankly stupid attitude. Have you bothered to ask yourself why it's only 2.4 per 100,000? It's because of regular screening.

There are only 10.63 fatalities on US roads per 100,000 population. I suppose you think this means the importance of road safety is exaggerated and precautions should not be taken?

Women are not born as a walking disease waiting to happen, but clearly women can get diseases. Regular screening decreases the chance of cancers being caught too late.
CHRIS

Bedford, MA

#131 Oct 12, 2012
Jocasta wrote:
<quoted text>
What a frankly stupid attitude. Have you bothered to ask yourself why it's only 2.4 per 100,000? It's because of regular screening.
There are only 10.63 fatalities on US roads per 100,000 population. I suppose you think this means the importance of road safety is exaggerated and precautions should not be taken?
Women are not born as a walking disease waiting to happen, but clearly women can get diseases. Regular screening decreases the chance of cancers being caught too late.
H.P.V. Causes 99% of the cases of cervical cancer. Don't sleep around and you'll reduce your chances 99%.
CHRIS

Bedford, MA

#132 Oct 12, 2012
Females who had mother that took DES while pregnant also have a greater risk of getting cervical cancer. So if a woman hasn't been exposed to HPV or had a mother who took DES, she has less than a 1% chance of getting cervical cancer. The pap smear was invented 87 years ago, what other medical test do we use which is 87 years old ??????
Debz

Ottawa, Canada

#133 Oct 12, 2012
Jocasta wrote:
<quoted text>
What a frankly stupid attitude. Have you bothered to ask yourself why it's only 2.4 per 100,000? It's because of regular screening.
There are only 10.63 fatalities on US roads per 100,000 population. I suppose you think this means the importance of road safety is exaggerated and precautions should not be taken?
Women are not born as a walking disease waiting to happen, but clearly women can get diseases. Regular screening decreases the chance of cancers being caught too late.
Here we aren't denying that women need public services - but these services - whether health or policing - should be conducted with respect and appropriate boundaries...for intimate issues it isnt wise to use cross gender staff. Consider the treatment of Hope Steffey in Stark County Jail - Ohio, USA:

Forum comment:

John wrote:
Well since the Supreme Court ruling on the Albert Florence case, who was strip searched twice in seven days after he was arrested on a warrant for a traffic fine he had already paid, we will probably be seeing more of this crap.

As for the tampon, that is what I suspected about the Hope Steffey case. That the guys were checking her for a tampon, and that's why she is going ballistic at the end of the video. But like I said, even though their own jail rules say that a woman on her period can not be completely stripped, they deny that she was checked, even though it violates their own rules.

BTW this isn't the only incident of woman being strip searched by the side of the road. Arnetta McCloud, her then-15-year-old daughter, Cynthia were also strip searched by the side of the road.
And then we have cases like Ms.(Ellin) Spellman & Maureen Rattray who were strip searched, but some how once lawsuits were started, the video's came up "missing".(Like a lot did in the Hope Steffey case!)

Corrupt politicians are bad enough, but it looks like we have a corrupt majority on the Supreme Court now! The future looks bleak!
http://blog.simplejustice.us/2009/07/16/hope-...
CHRIS

Bedford, MA

#134 Oct 13, 2012
Jocasta wrote:
<quoted text>
What a frankly stupid attitude. Have you bothered to ask yourself why it's only 2.4 per 100,000? It's because of regular screening.
There are only 10.63 fatalities on US roads per 100,000 population. I suppose you think this means the importance of road safety is exaggerated and precautions should not be taken?
Women are not born as a walking disease waiting to happen, but clearly women can get diseases. Regular screening decreases the chance of cancers being caught too late.
You should be asking why woman's health care is still using tecknology from one hundred years ago. If a woman feels as though she needs a paps, fine. However, she should be given accurate facts so she can make a true, "informed conscent."
Debz as Bootz65

Ottawa, Canada

#135 Oct 13, 2012
Exactly

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#136 Oct 14, 2012
CHRIS wrote:
<quoted text> H.P.V. Causes 99% of the cases of cervical cancer. Don't sleep around and you'll reduce your chances 99%.
Well, of course promiscuity increases the chances of contracting STDs, but that has nothing to do with what I was saying.

Also, abstinence only education fails in the long term because it is impractical.

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#139 Oct 14, 2012
Debz wrote:
<quoted text>
Here we aren't denying that women need public services - but these services - whether health or policing - should be conducted with respect and appropriate boundaries...for intimate issues it isnt wise to use cross gender staff.
Actually, the author of that post was implying just that. They were attempting to diminish the numbers of people who die from these illnesses, by suggesting the entire thing was a scam to make money. They fail to note, however, that countries where healthcare is universal and socialised, and based on patient need not profit, still have these general screening policies. I should know - I live in one.

No one is going to deny that examinations should be conducted with respect. It's so obvious that it hardly bears stating. However, the gender of the doctors or nurses should be down to patient preference. I don't care whether my doctor is male or female.

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#140 Oct 14, 2012
pailrider wrote:
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Your comments on education, the problem there is brainwashing, how to seperate the two. Doctor knows best thingy, when in fact it is our amazing body's.
promiscuity or not doctors treat all risks the same and for what reason, the root of all evil, imo money!!!
I'm sorry, but it's really rather difficult to grasp what you're attempting to convey when you don't use decent spelling and grammar.

If I understand you correctly, you're trying to say faith in doctors is brainwashing. Well, no. Doctors, by and large, are guided by the empiricism and the scientific method. There are no doubt flaws in practice and mistakes that creep in, but overall, trusting medicine over how your 'amazing body' happens to feel on any given day is a much more sane and rational.
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