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Debz

Ottawa, Canada

#35 Oct 8, 2012
WHY ARE FEMALE VAGINAS OBSESSED WITH MALE DOCTORS???

A premarital exam provides women a safe, nonjudgmental environment to talk and ask questions about sex. Every woman needs that.

About five years ago, I went through my own exam in preparation of getting married. It wasn’t my first time at a gynecologist office, so I felt pretty comfortable with the whole thing.

In my own exam, I didn’t feel as though I gained any new valuable insight. I walked away with maybe a couple of new tidbits of information and what I like to call vaginal stretchers: expanding kits that allow women to stretch themselves in preparation of having sex for the first time. Everything else I had either learned in school, at home or from my friends.

I do think that the reason I didn’t learn too much had more to do with the actual doctor than the nature of premarital exams themselves. After talking to the UVU Health Center, it seems that I missed out on a lot of good information essential to me as a woman.

http://www.uvureview.com/2012/10/08/the-sex-t...
LET US ORGANISE OURSELVES

Wallsend, UK

#36 Nov 14, 2012
I believe that it is time we create an association which work on the scientific research side and on the legal research side.

From the side of the medicine, much has already been done by some researchers, to demonstrate the conflicts inherent to cross-gender intimate examinations. However, they are not enough.

Similarly, other studies investigate the related regulations. However they are not sufficient.

For instance, in the field of law, some amendments can be done to the current regulatory system.

Law by definition is the system which society gives to itself to regulate conflicts of interests: in this case the conflict between interest of one to do choose the doctor one wants, and the interest of a married partner not to be disturbed in the intimate enjoyment of the exclusivity of the sexuality of his marriage.

So far the latter interest has been defeated by the first one.

while on one side there is the supreme right of the freedom of choice to choose the doctor one wants, on the other right there is the supreme right, if u marry a person to have exclusive access to her body,that that right is guaranteed. However, the latter right is not any-more guaranteed in the current days.

A change in the laws regulating conjugal obligations, may for instance include the obligation that both partners have to disclose before signing the marriage documents or in the marriage documents themselves, whether they are in favour of intimate examinations from other gender, in the presence of same gender. Once a choice is recorded, both parties are bound to respect it, and violating it, would determine the fault of one partner in case of divorce.

It seems to me very unfair, that if one marries a woman because he wants exclusivity, he has systematically to submit himself to his woman being manipulated touched and viewed by other men and has to accept it. The system can be changed, so that also this interest can be protected. After all, if the fiancée is against this pre-nutial condition, she can refuse. But at least a husband know it in advance, not after the marriage, when if he divorce, he has to pay allowance etc to the wife who hurt him.
LET US ORGANISE OURSELVES

Wallsend, UK

#37 Nov 14, 2012
So Whoever wants to join me in creating an association which studies medical and regulatory aspects, which inform other men/women in a scientific way and who aim to improve current regulations, please feel free to join.

My apologies for the many missing "s" and for many other typing mistakes. Faulty keyboard and typing speed are the cause of this.
Regards
LET US ORGANISE OURSELVES

Wallsend, UK

#38 Nov 14, 2012
This regulation was unnecessary before, when Men dominated the world and women had no equal rights.

At that time, women could not vote, and could not obtain a loan without the signed authorization of the husband. It was unfair and changes have been made to emancipate women and guarantee their freedom of choice.

In doing so, however, women have been give rights without corresponding obligations:

The law privileged women's interest to men interests in many cases:

-Women's right to decide whether to kill the baby they have conceived with another man, without the consent of the other man.

-Women's right to be maintained by their rich husband at the level of wealth the rich husband has in case of divorce (except in the case of fault)

-Privilege in being de facto preferred for assigned kids in younger age in case of separation

In the current regulatory setting, women are becoming dominating and men are being subjected to abuses. We must rebalance this unbalance of power and of legal rights:

Both women and men must be guaranteed freedom of choice.

There is space in the law to make this happen

In particular, incorporating the pre-nuptial agreement on specific things, such as access to the partner's intimate parts, in the case same gender health care is available, and in the absence of any emergency, i.e. whenever the healthcare of the woman is not at risk,.

Such choice should be made before the marriage, so that both husband and wife make an agreement about it.

If a woman, does not agree on the exclusivity clause, she can refuse to sign it. Then it will be the man to freely decide whether he still wants to marry that woman or not.

Personally, if the law does not change, I will have a pre-nuptial agreement about this. So she can freely choose what she wants before the marriage and iif she later changes idea about it she can do so without me having to pay her any allowance after the divorce.

After all a marriage is a promise of the fulfilment of a joint project of life based on common values. If she changes idea, well this is a free world. But I do not want her to walk away with half of my money or with half of my assets after breaching a promise of exclusivity which she made to me before marriage. E

My pre-nuptial will only allow cross-gender intimate examinations when same-gender health care is not available or when they are necessary for emergency situations.

I will not tolerate my right of exclusivity to be violated, because she likes the male doctor because he is cuter, sweeter, nicer, or because he handles the speculum in her vagina more softly than the women do, or because she prefers a man to a woman when putting his fingers in his sex.

If she does not agrees on this clause, it is her freedom of choice. But at least I can know it in advance and can move on to a woman who value the same exclusivity principle.

It seems to unfair to married men who married a woman on the essential condition of mutual respect of such exclusivity, that their wife can at a certain point violates such an agreement without justified healthcare needs, because same gender options are available and she electively chooses to go to a male doctor because she likes him for non-medical reasons.
LET US ORGANISE OURSELVES

Wallsend, UK

#39 Nov 14, 2012
If after signing the clause she still does it, then at least I can divorce at her fault, for breach of the pre-nuptial agreement without adding insult to injury. With the current regulation if I marry her without pre-nuptial agreement and she breaches the promise of keeping her body for me, without justified health care motivations,because same gender option is available, I can divorce her. However, I might still be obliged to pay her allowance and give her half of my assets.

In other words the system allows her to deceive me before marriage, be selfish and violate my moral principles and sensitivity after marriage and then get half of my assets as reward in case I divorce her.

it is a woman-centric legal framework and we have to change it to include men's rights.

I invite all those who agree to join me and collaborate with me for a change
LET US ORGANISE OURSELVES

Wallsend, UK

#40 Nov 14, 2012
If after signing the clause she still does it, then at least I can divorce at her fault, for breach of the pre-nuptial agreement without adding insult to injury.

On the contrary, with the current regulation if I marry her without pre-nuptial agreement and she breaches the promise of keeping her body for me, without justified health care motivations,because same gender option is available, I can divorce her. However, I might still be obliged to pay her allowance and give her half of my assets.

In other words the system allows her to deceive me before marriage, be selfish and violate my moral principles and sensitivity after marriage and then get half of my assets as reward in case I divorce her.

it is a woman-centric legal framework and we have to change it to include men's rights.

I invite all those who agree to join me and collaborate with me for a change

So Whoever wants to join me in creating an association which studies medical and regulatory aspects, which inform other men/women in a scientific way and who aim to improve current regulations, please feel free to join.

My apologies for the many missing "s" and for many other typing mistakes. Faulty keyboard and typing speed are the cause of this.
Regards
Hi Pailrider and everyone

Wallsend, UK

#42 Nov 14, 2012
pailrider wrote:
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Install iespell free from cnet or tucows websites GL..
Yes I will join your web site.
Pailrider, I hope you too will join all of us actively. We are all professionals with different specialisation and we are all busy.

Additionally, there is a Medical Doctor with me who will support us.

He has a Degree in General Medicine an Surgery, a Specialization in Psychiatry and a specialization in Psychotherapy. He supports our idea and will help all of us with reference to the posts of scientific information.

I will be happy, instead, to provide a contribution on the legal aspects.

I welcome our friend "Boots" offer to help us to deal with the Name and Shame session.

Please let me know if any of you has any expertise which can be beneficial to the purposes of the association
Neil

Lowell, MA

#43 Nov 18, 2012
Why are doctors (gyns and g.p's) obsessed with vagina ? Because they have always been pencil neck geeks who couldn't score pn$$y on their own merit, pathetic little men.
Mee

Montréal, Canada

#45 Nov 21, 2012
I find that doctors in general are quite creepy. Obgyns are absolutely obsessed with touching, and cutting up women's bodies. I refuse to go see one ever again.

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#47 Nov 22, 2012
pailrider wrote:
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Perhaps you read this link...
http://forwomenseyesonly.wordpress.com/2012/1...
Nice one - beat me to the post comrade!!! LOL
EEEE HHHH

Norwich, UK

#51 Feb 15, 2013
Why are male doctors obsessed with the vagina?

Isn't that obvious? Why do people even question why!

Men are men, nothing wrong with men being obsessed with vagina but it is wrong when they mess with people's gfs, married women's and daughters vaginas for a job! VERY WRONG INDEED!

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