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United States

#108 Jun 19, 2011
I went ahead and asked for the undraped massage; it was made clear by the therapist that she allowed for no extras, just massage. When I made it clear to her that all I wanted was massage in a natural state, she agreed.
I expect it to go well. I might be a little nervous at first, but she is a professional, and I have no doubt that I will relax very quickly.
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United States

#109 Jun 21, 2011
You make some good points. I think in most other countries all you need to do is ask not to be draped and no problem. In the USA, I am thinking draping is required in most states. One is more likely to get a nude massage from a solo practitioner Licensed Massage Therapist who can set her own rules of practice.
Any massage therapist who is uncomfortable massaging a client in the nude should, of course, not allow it. If the therapist is married, but is comfortable massaging a nude client, then she should run it by her husband and get his okay. If he says no, then she should say no. It is not worth wrecking her marriage over the issue.
If a therapist with her own business is single and comfortable with a nude male client, then she can probably get more business that way. But then again, anyone who allows nude massages has to make sure the client is aware he cannot grope her, ask for a hand job, or anything else. It would be up to her if she would go further up the thigh on a nude client than she would on a draped client.
JayBee-80 wrote:
I would like to join this thread, having been a massage receiver for twenty years in many places in the US, as well as in Germany, England, Australia, Italy, Japan, China, Thailand, Vietnam, and various cruise ships in between. Previous posters are absolutely right that there is wide variation regarding body covering while receiving a massage. Germany:“Draping, what’s that?” Italy: I have been issued a tissue paper triangle with elastic band made into a peculiar thong-like arrangement. Thailand: body covering during pressure-point massage, then everything off. Cunard Ocean Liners:“No skin, please. We’re British.”
But to get right to a point that interests me greatly, I would like to follow-up on an idea suggested by Paul: namely, that there be two categories of massage service,“therapeutic” and “ sensual,” with pertinent differentiation in the law, professional standards, advertising, and practices.
The problem I have with these particular two terms is that to advertise “sensual” is to invite the reaction “sleaze.” There are already many LMT's on these discussion threads who think that the only two categories of body work are (1): THERAPEUTIC MASSAGE and (2) PROSTITUTION.(Find the posting where one LMT comes right out and says it: an undraped massage “prostitution.”) This makes discussion of the idea difficult because of the wide range of provider and client-desired practices that form a vast middle ground between them.
I would prefer instead to tighten the delineation of both “massage therapy” at one end of recognized practices, and “prostitution” on the other. The former is more readily agreed upon than the latter, but we need to try properly define prostitution so we can effectively and reasonably deal with this middle ground. In this regard, the concept prostitution should be limited to “the exchange of money for specific sexual acts solicited by or offered to a potential client at an initial interpersonal encounter: genital or anal intercourse, and the three principal oral forms: cunilingus,felatio, and anilingus.” These should be upgraded to “aggravated prostitution” if they involve inadequate protection against pregnancy or sexually-transmitted diseases, or if the offering party is under age or not a free agent, as is the case in an exploitative, abusive, or coercive arrangement. This, after all, is what is really bad about prostitution and what responsible parties agree should be stopped.
The remaining vast middle ground is the province of “Well-Being Massage,” which should have its own training and certification requirements, administered by an established agency different from therapeutic massage boards. This is what I see emerging from all the current on-line discussion . We need are suggestions as to how to bring it about.

Since: Oct 10

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#110 Jun 22, 2011
I have an opinion too wrote:
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I would like to be able to get a an un-draped massage from a female massage therapist who does not run a parlor. Where I come from this is hard to find, I think. I went to a young lady yesterday who I think would do it; maybe the safest way for me to ask her would be to ask her if any of her male clients request un-draped massage--if she is open to it, she will know that I probably want it and say, yes, I do un-draped massage if the client requests it. Then the ball is in my court, without making me feel awkward. If I ask her if she would consider giving me an undraped massage and she says "No, it is too risky", or "I might lose my license", then I would feel badly.
As far as you always being able to get an un-draped massage, I am surprised. But I am glad for you.
How about an undraped massage from a male massage therapist? If it is non sexual, then the gender shouldn't matter.
Dr G

Joinville, Brazil

#111 Jun 22, 2011
bellfly wrote:
<quoted text>How about an undraped massage from a male massage therapist? If it is non sexual, then the gender shouldn't matter.
I agree, gender of MT should not matter in this regard.
Paul

Birmingham, AL

#112 Jun 22, 2011
Dr G wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree, gender of MT should not matter in this regard.
Many men, myself included, prefer to receive a massage from a female therapist. This is true even in the case of a strictly legitimate massage that follows conservative draping principles.
There is no doubt a little bit of homophobia in this attitude of "I don't want a man touching me," and I'm not particularly proud of that attitude.
On the other hand, when I'm paying my hard-earned money for a massage, I want it to be worth it. I prefer female therapists, and that's what I request.

Since: Oct 10

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#113 Jun 22, 2011
Paul wrote:
<quoted text>
Many men, myself included, prefer to receive a massage from a female therapist. This is true even in the case of a strictly legitimate massage that follows conservative draping principles.
There is no doubt a little bit of homophobia in this attitude of "I don't want a man touching me," and I'm not particularly proud of that attitude.
On the other hand, when I'm paying my hard-earned money for a massage, I want it to be worth it. I prefer female therapists, and that's what I request.
Let me see if I have this right.

You want only a female massaging your muscles, right?

I wonder if you only want a male doctor, you know, the one who puts his finger in every orifice, handles your genitalia, and generally touches you everywhere.

I wonder, if you were unaware of the sex of the massage therapist during the massage, if it would make any difference.

How do you feel about massage therapists who are transexuals in the midst of changing?

Interesting.....
I have an opinion too

United States

#114 Jun 22, 2011
sorry for you wrote:
LMT, you really must be a sad and bitter person. I'll pray for you to be happy some day and I invite others to do the same.
LMT is simply a massage therapist who would never do an undraped massage. She is entitled to her opinion, and it very well may be an issue of losing her license if she gave one.

An LMT who has her own business and is careful not to do an undraped massage unless it is requested is likely pretty safe as far as keeping her license. The reason is if she is giving the client what he or she wants, why would the client turn them in?

Any massage therapist who has her own business will be asked to do an undraped massage unless she has an intake from stating she drapes everyone; one who works for a clinic with eight or ten therapists and an intake form for the client to sign should not have any problems about being asked for an undraped massage. She can simply ask the client to leave, or do the massage draped, in which case, the client will probably not come back anyway.
I have an opinion too

United States

#115 Jun 22, 2011
bellfly wrote:
<quoted text>How about an undraped massage from a male massage therapist? If it is non sexual, then the gender shouldn't matter.
You make a good point; however, I am somewhat homophobic, as many men are. Most men are far more comfortable being in a natural state in the presence of a female than a male. except of course for showering at the gym or something like that.

As it turns out, I screwed up the courage to ask a female massage therapist for an un-draped massage and she agreed provided there were no extra. I did not want any extras, so my wish was granted.

Another poster remarked that it is easy to get a nude massage; I disagree,except if one frequents a massage parlor.
I have an opinion too

United States

#116 Jun 22, 2011
Paul wrote:
<quoted text>
Many men, myself included, prefer to receive a massage from a female therapist. This is true even in the case of a strictly legitimate massage that follows conservative draping principles.
There is no doubt a little bit of homophobia in this attitude of "I don't want a man touching me," and I'm not particularly proud of that attitude.
On the other hand, when I'm paying my hard-earned money for a massage, I want it to be worth it. I prefer female therapists, and that's what I request.
In my opinion, there is no reason not to be proud of only wanting a female massage therapist. Many females also will not let a man touch them because they are concerned he might make suggestive remarks or somehow proposition them is some way. Some of them may have a boyfriend or a husband who might be uncomfortable having another man seeing and rubbing parts of her body that are normally not seen in everyday life.

I have also had female massage therapists tell me that men have a hard time making it in the massage therapy business. If most women prefer a woman and almost all men prefer a woman, the male therapist can have very slim pickings.

That being said, I was at a Massage Envy today that had two male massage therapists. So maybe the demand for male massage therapists was up at that particular location.
Dr G

Joinville, Brazil

#118 Jun 23, 2011
bellfly wrote:
<quoted text>Let me see if I have this right.
You want only a female massaging your muscles, right?
I wonder if you only want a male doctor, you know, the one who puts his finger in every orifice, handles your genitalia, and generally touches you everywhere.
I wonder, if you were unaware of the sex of the massage therapist during the massage, if it would make any difference.
How do you feel about massage therapists who are transexuals in the midst of changing?
Interesting.....
I was going to respond to him generally down the line you did, but you got there first. I myself do not care about the sex of my doctors, dentists, barbers, or any other persons who attend to my various needs, at least in principle. But I do care about how I am treated in ways that go beyond the purely professional function of the caregiver.

HOWEVER - I think this is an area that would benefit from a mature exchange of thinking with respect to massage. Massage involves extensive touching, including in areas of the body often untouched by any other person. Indeed, few spouses ever touch each other as extensively as does a MT during massage (and PLEASE - I AM NOT referring to sexual massage). As such, it has both a physiological component and a psychological component, and the MT should concern him(her)self with both. MTs who only care about the physiological component are perceived as remote or "cold" with respect to the client. I have experienced such massages and they have not been fully satisfactory to me. At least one MT that comments on this forum gives the impression that is his style.

Cultures vary widely, and the psychological component is most affected by cultural experience and education. Some cultures are more homophobic than others, and in those that have a high degree of resistance to male-male or female-female intimacy, choice of the sex of the therapist can be at least partly attributed to such social conditioning. While I consider myself very liberal-minded, I will conceed that I am most comfortable with a female MT, whatever the reason. Interestingly (because I have asked her), my female MT is most comfortable with a male MT! In the case of women patients, however, most often the social need for modesty is greater than feelings of homophobia, and most, unlike my MT, prefer a female therapist (as does my wife, although she has used male therapists in the past).

Any professional that deals one-on-one with the public has to develop multiple skills, not only technically, but in interpersonal relationships as well. It is the TOTAL experience, not only the physiological adequacy of the massage, that leaves a client satisfied. And that depends upon the highly complex interaction of two people, both of which bring to the massage table a host of personal experiences and pre-conceived concepts about social relationships in this context. In my opinion, that is the most challenging aspect of the profession, which has my deepest respect.
LMT

Medina, OH

#119 Jun 23, 2011
Dr G wrote:
<quoted text>
MTs who only care about the physiological component are perceived as remote or "cold" with respect to the client. I have experienced such massages and they have not been fully satisfactory to me. At least one MT that comments on this forum gives the impression that is his style.
I appreciate your post, but in respect to what is quoted above, you assume wrong. The fact that my clients come to me expecting mature, professional, and ethical massage in no way means that they expect the massage to be psychologically sterile, and neither do I. A draped massage by a professional in a serene setting is very relaxing and soothing. Even my deep-tissue massage (otherwise known as Rolfing, which can hurt like the dickens) clients come out of the room in a deeply relaxed state and when I ask them if there is anything I can improve upon for their next massage, they all say, "Not at all. That was wonderful." And they book up to 4 massages ahead because I have massage packages for regular clients.
So it's not an either-or situation. I care very much about the massage room environment and so I carefully select the music, lighting, and the client's choice of aromatherapy essential oils to be mixed with their massage lotion for that session.
And all of this is done in accordance with the AMTA's Code of Ethics. Imagine that!
LMT

Medina, OH

#120 Jun 23, 2011
To be completely honest, I did have one male deep-tissue client 2 weeks ago who told me after the first session that "You could have actually gone deeper with the pressure." This guy golfs, plays tennis, and weightlifts regularly. Even so, I was cautious on the first session because a lot of new clients ask for deep-tissue but really want a Swedish massage with firm pressure. That style doesn't hurt.
So tomorrow for his second session I will ramp up the pressure.
Dr G

Joinville, Brazil

#121 Jun 23, 2011
LMT wrote:
<quoted text>I appreciate your post, but in respect to what is quoted above, you assume wrong. The fact that my clients come to me expecting mature, professional, and ethical massage in no way means that they expect the massage to be psychologically sterile, and neither do I. A draped massage by a professional in a serene setting is very relaxing and soothing. Even my deep-tissue massage (otherwise known as Rolfing, which can hurt like the dickens) clients come out of the room in a deeply relaxed state and when I ask them if there is anything I can improve upon for their next massage, they all say, "Not at all. That was wonderful." And they book up to 4 massages ahead because I have massage packages for regular clients.
So it's not an either-or situation. I care very much about the massage room environment and so I carefully select the music, lighting, and the client's choice of aromatherapy essential oils to be mixed with their massage lotion for that session.
And all of this is done in accordance with the AMTA's Code of Ethics. Imagine that!
I am not competent to judge your massage methods, having never experienced them, nor the experience of your clients. If they are satisfied, you have fulfilled your role in their care. That does not negate, however, my observations - I gather if they want undraped massage, as some do, they are not your clients, and therefore you cannot speak for them. That would be the case with me.
Hotdude

Miami, FL

#122 Jun 23, 2011
Male MTs are much better in my opinion for a few reasons:
1- they have larger, stronger hands
2- they are not as concerned with fully undraping areas of the body
3- they are more willing to allow undraped or minimally draped massages
4- I just like a guys hands all over me!!!
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United States

#123 Jun 24, 2011
Old perv wrote:
As far as getting a massage form a male vs. a female, I like the female therapist. I have recieved good massages from male therapists, but I don't think I was completely relaxed. The same with a male/female doctor. I recently changed to a female doctor, she has smaller fingers.
All of my massages have benn while I was nude, some of them draped, but you can't have everything you want.
I take it you are just joking when you use the blog name: Old Perv. There is nothing at all perverted about enjoying an un-draped therapeutic massage from a female.
I like an un-draped massage but have to admit it is difficult to get unless you find the right therapist and then keep going back to her, or you go to a massage parlor. I found one on Craigslist who is going to massage me undraped, but it will be just a massage, nothing more. She does not offer extras, but is a good therapist.
I should leave satisfied, not feeling the shame men often feel after going to the massage parlors.
wtf

Tomball, TX

#124 Jun 29, 2011
Lmt , you appear to be the massage police! Ever get laid. Seems alot more people don't care to hear your opinion!

Since: Oct 10

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#125 Jun 29, 2011
WTF = Where's The Feet? Why The Frown? Win the Fight?
Paul

Birmingham, AL

#126 Jul 11, 2011
bellfly wrote:
<quoted text>Let me see if I have this right.
You want only a female massaging your muscles, right?
I wonder if you only want a male doctor, you know, the one who puts his finger in every orifice, handles your genitalia, and generally touches you everywhere.
I wonder, if you were unaware of the sex of the massage therapist during the massage, if it would make any difference.
How do you feel about massage therapists who are transexuals in the midst of changing?
Interesting.....
You have it exactly right. And in general, when possible, I prefer female doctors, dentists, hair stylists, etc.

If someone's touching me, I'd prefer it to be a woman. That isn't always possible, of course; and as I said, it smacks of homophobia a bit.

I certainly wouldn't walk out of a hair salon if the only stylist available were male. Currently, my primary care physician is a man, while a couple of specialists I see are women, as is my dentist.

Again, it's simple personal preference, even when no sexual contact is involved.
Alex

Norway

#127 Jul 13, 2011
Interesting discussion...
Personally I wouldn't want a massage without draping because it would be cold and i suspect id be rather uncomfortable, which would hinder my ability to relax during the massage. If someone prefers a massage without being draped and find a therapist who is willing to do that, thats fine by me allthough i suspect that a decent number of those people may have alterior motives and not just go for the therapy. I might be wrong though.

Now on the subject of genders of the massage therapist and wether it matters or not it personally does to me. I prefer female massage therapists, in fact i prefer females when it comes to doctors, nurses, dentists or what have you. It is my personal opinion that females are generally better at showing empathy and i feel more "cared for" whenever the person in question is female. That might sound sexist, and it might be i dont know, nevertheless it is how i feel. I have had male massage therapists in the past and while they did an ok job ive always felt that i got better massages and felt better afterwords after recieving a massage from a female therapist. And i want to stress that to me massage is not something sexual, because i have Cerebral Palsy and there is alot of extra physical issues and sometimes pain that comes with that, i have found massage to be just as important to me and my quality of life as going to the doctor is important for your general health.
Paul

Birmingham, AL

#128 Jul 13, 2011
You're not far off. I often do have "ulterior motives."

However, even without sexual contact, even if the therapist told me there was a zero percent chance of receiving any "extras," I'd still always prefer undraped massage.

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