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LMT

Cuyahoga Falls, OH

#81 Feb 2, 2009
Rich wrote:
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I'm saying it is a differnt situation. It's more resonable to think that a person might be inclined to feel sexual during a pleasurable, massage they chose to enjoy, rather than during a medical treatment by an actual doctor that are forced to do.
But it actually is not a different situation. If a man can behave like a gentleman during a colonoscopy, a man can behave like a gentleman on a massage table, DESPITE the fact that we're not MDs and the massage is a very pleasurable experience. Enjoying physical pleasure does NOT have to automatically morph into a sexual fantasy!!!
Adrenalin

Australia

#82 Feb 3, 2009
You really do come from another planet LMT , Of course Enjoying physical pleasure while laying naked on a table can morph into sexual pleasure , What the heck has fantasy got to do with it.
Normal physical human response does not have to involved fantasy.
I can assure you gentlemen are not exempt from natural feelings and reactions just because you have personal hangups with sexuality!!
LMT

Cuyahoga Falls, OH

#83 Feb 4, 2009
Adrenalin wrote:
You really do come from another planet LMT , Of course Enjoying physical pleasure while laying naked on a table can morph into sexual pleasure , What the heck has fantasy got to do with it.
Normal physical human response does not have to involved fantasy.
I can assure you gentlemen are not exempt from natural feelings and reactions just because you have personal hangups with sexuality!!
But, unlike you, gentlemen have matured to the point of having some control over their bodies and emotions. You're beginning to sound like a leg-humping dog.
CCLMT

Corpus Christi, TX

#84 Feb 4, 2009
I think I have to agree with Adrenalin on this. You really are starting to come across as bitter and with sexual hangups. I want my patrons to be totally relaxed and to like what I do as well as feel a kinship to me. If an erection shows up...well so be it, it's natural and happens all the time. They can take care of it in any way that they see fit as soon as I leave. I also take it as a compliment if they fantasize about me while they do what they do.
LMT

Cuyahoga Falls, OH

#85 Feb 4, 2009
CCLMT wrote:
They can take care of it in any way that they see fit as soon as I leave. I also take it as a compliment if they fantasize about me while they do what they do.
Thank you for your contribution to the professional image of Licensed Massage Therapists. BTW, I wouldn't want to have to do your laundry!
Eric

Melbourne, Australia

#86 Feb 4, 2009
CCLMT wrote:
I think I have to agree with Adrenalin on this. You really are starting to come across as bitter and with sexual hangups. I want my patrons to be totally relaxed and to like what I do as well as feel a kinship to me. If an erection shows up...well so be it, it's natural and happens all the time. They can take care of it in any way that they see fit as soon as I leave. I also take it as a compliment if they fantasize about me while they do what they do.
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You might feel that way CCMT, but I can assure you that many women will be repulsed by men thinking that of them whilst giving massage. Massage has a genuine place in relaxing people and rehabilitating people, but I'm certain , that, despite a man's stronger sexual desire, that many women would NOT like it to be thought of as anyhting more than massage. For that reason, if you due value the massuese as a human being, and a practioner that wants to see people made better, you'll contain your sexual desire. Of course, if you don't respect people, then anything goes I guess.

Since: Feb 09

Franklin, WI

#87 Feb 4, 2009
Adrenalin wrote:
You really do come from another planet LMT , Of course Enjoying physical pleasure while laying naked on a table can morph into sexual pleasure , What the heck has fantasy got to do with it.
Normal physical human response does not have to involved fantasy.
I can assure you gentlemen are not exempt from natural feelings and reactions just because you have personal hangups with sexuality!!
At least I am not the only one who now believes LMT has secxual hang-ups. Adrenalin, I completely concur.
Eric

Melbourne, Australia

#88 Feb 4, 2009
Does having morals implie having sexual hangups ido262? It used to be that people without proper restraint were called perverts - which category do you belong to?

Since: Feb 09

Burlington, WI

#89 Feb 4, 2009
Eric wrote:
Does having morals implie having sexual hangups ido262? It used to be that people without proper restraint were called perverts - which category do you belong to?
I fail to see where morals come into question here. Is it immoral to be naked in this environment? Wow, "without proper restraint"...that is a reach!
LMT

Cuyahoga Falls, OH

#90 Feb 5, 2009
This isn't about "sexual hangups." As a matter of fact, I COMPLETELY support prostitution. Just don't call it massage and don't expect it from any LMT with any self-respect. I've learned over the past few weeks that there are those who call themselves LMTs or CCMTs or CMTs (whatever) who place more value on whether they can sexually arouse their clients than whether they can treat their clients' musculoskeletal complaints. I guess in this economy, the attitude is, "Do whatever it takes to get clients on the table." My comments have at times been sarcastic and satirical, but I'm trying to show these LMTs that they learned a valuable healing skill and they can do so much more for their clients than providing a hand job or an orifice. Anyone can be a tramp or a ho. Try being the healers that you once thought you were.
CCLMT

Corpus Christi, TX

#91 Feb 5, 2009
Akron, you sure seem to see the worst in people even if you have to assume facts. My laundry would probably be the same as yours...I never said I let them do anything on my table. I said that what they did after I left was up to them, I do out calls at resorts, homes and other places and I always take my table with me when I leave. You shouldn't assume and if you must, try to assume on the side of betterment.

Eric, "control my urges"??? I never said I did the fantasizing, I'm giving them a massage in a non-clinical way and yes. A key word there is non-clinical. Respect, again ????? I never said I didn't have morals nor do I disrespect any of my clients. You need to crawl out and open your eyes a little.

Erections are part of human nature and they happen. Maybe not when I'm giving a sport massage and seldom when I give deep tissue but they do happen when I'm giving Swedish. I guess if you ever woke up in the morning with an erection, you would consider yourself immoral also. I hope you wouldn't, but who knows.
Adrenalin

Australia

#92 Feb 5, 2009
CCLMT , you are an absolute credit to the profession, not only in your attitude but with your professional non judging responses.
It's a real shame that a person like yourself with strong ethics and morals , clear and realistic views has to put up with peers like LMT and whocares that are clearly out of touch with reality.

LMT completely supports prostitution !! while in the same breath refers to any person with a sensual feeling or thought during massage as being disgusting, immoral , perverts and now the Leg humping dog.
Who exactly is it flooding these threads with holier than thou morals and I am a professional LMT that should be respected ??
How completely professional LMT , I sincerely hope you don't open your mouth while giving a massage you truly are fowl mouthed and disgusting.
No matter how wondering you think your massage ethics are, your words and lake of wisdom prevail above all else.

LMT

Cuyahoga Falls, OH

#93 Feb 5, 2009
Adrenalin, aren't you exaggerating and misquoting just a tiny bit? Why would my acceptance of the prostitution industry but my desire to differentiate it from Massotherapy be so illogical to you? I know in many parts of the world, massage is still struggling to escape its image of being a front for a prostitution parlor. For you, you may still see no difference. In the USA, Massotherapy is developing into an accepted branch of medicine, especially in states like Ohio where it is regulated and inspected by the State Medical Board. Re-read some of these Penthouse Letters posts in the Massage Therapy forum. These are not innocent erections in most cases. These are erections caused by the client's inappropriate expectations of what the LMT might be willing to do (wink, wink). When a client comes to a reputable massage practitioner without having these expectations, it is no different than going to a Physical Therapy or Occupational Therapy visit - but with nicer surroundings, music and aromatherapy. They close their eyes and enjoy being healed, without sexual thoughts or arousal. They leave completely satisfied and they readily book again. THAT is the state-of-the-art of my profession and NOT the tawdry image presented by these LMT wannabes.
LMT

Cuyahoga Falls, OH

#94 Feb 5, 2009
As I said in a post last year, if NFL football players can receive daily massage with heavy downward pressure on their bare glutes without getting aroused, I think most other, less virile men can as well. It's just a matter of their frame of mind.
LMT

Cuyahoga Falls, OH

#95 Feb 5, 2009
When the legislative session came to a close this summer in Texas, the state’s massage therapists had a new law governing their industry—but it wasn’t the one many massage professionals have been toiling for years to pass.

In July, Texas Gov. Rick Perry signed into law House Bill 2696, which sets new rules for massage practitioners and stiffens penalties for prostitution practiced under the guise of massage therapy. The legislation was introduced by Rep. Rafael Anchia (D-Dallas) as part of his Safe Neighborhoods package, a bundle of bills intended to crack down on crime.

The bill requires massage practitioners to be at least 18 years old and undergo a criminal-background check when applying for a massage-therapy license, prohibits practitioner nudity while giving a massage, and broadens police power to inspect massage studios. The bill also changes the term “registered massage therapist” to “licensed massage therapist.” The state's 20,500 currently registered massage therapists will automatically receive their licenses in the mail, although a licensing department official didn’t know when.

“It changes appearances, but there’s no educational changes to go along with the word change,” says Brooks Kasson, legislative chair of the Texas Association of Massage Therapists (TAMT).

Kasson says the TAMT supported the bill and worked closely with Anchia to ensure that it did not impose unreasonable rules. For example, she says, Anchia dropped a provision requiring that clients and all massage-practice employees be at least 18 years old, after massage therapists protested.

However, the bill the TAMT wanted to see pass was killed in committee. That bill, HB 1842, would have increased the required number of educational hours to become a massage therapist in Texas from 300 to 500. Bill supporters hoped to heighten the reputation and professionalism of the state’s massage industry by upping educational standards.

For two-and-a-half years, TAMT worked with the American Massage Therapy Association, the Texas Coalition of Massage Therapists and Instructors, and the Massage and Bodywork Educators Alliance to come up with a consensus on how to improve curriculum.

However, HB 1842 died in the Senate Health and Human Services Committee. Despite reaching an apparent consensus among interested parties, Kasson says, in the end, a lack of unified support for the bill led to its demise.

HB 2696, Kasson says, may help legitimize massage in Texas. However, she adds, it’s a crime-fighting law, and does nothing to improve skills and professionalism among massage therapists.“The impetus, the motivation of this bill was completely different from [HB] 1842,” she says.
CCLMT

Corpus Christi, TX

#96 Feb 5, 2009
Psst, psst...In Texas it is 500 hours of instruction from an accredited school.
CCLMT

Corpus Christi, TX

#97 Feb 5, 2009
You were reading from an article that was published in 2005. We are now in 2009.
LMT

Cuyahoga Falls, OH

#98 Feb 5, 2009
CCLMT wrote:
Psst, psst...In Texas it is 500 hours of instruction from an accredited school.
Glad to hear it. 750 would have been better.
Eric

Melbourne, Australia

#99 Feb 5, 2009
ido262 wrote:
<quoted text> I fail to see where morals come into question here. Is it immoral to be naked in this environment? Wow, "without proper restraint"...that is a reach!
Being naked is not the issue at all - it's your reason for being naked, and what you are expecting from the massage (if it's anything sexual, do you think that is fair on the therapist?)
Adrenalin

Australia

#100 Feb 7, 2009
LMT , any fool already knows a massage parlor is where people go exclusively for Sex.

I have said countless times the only person I know that constantly draws a comparison between massage therapy and prostitution is you.
You know as well as anyone that the only act in question that you draw the comparison from is the "Happy Ending" , In your opinion this makes whoever performs it a prostitute.

Try going to a massage parlor and requesting a 1 hr massage with a happy ending , they would just laugh at you !!

The new ( OLD ) bill you refer to clearly refers to cleaning up the massage industry, You need to be checked for a criminal record and you are not allowed to massage your clients without wearing cloths.
There is no mention in this Bill , Your code of practice or any law that states what you are fixated on , that providing this happy ending is an act of prostitution! I would be very happy to eat humble pie when you show me this ?

Just accept the fact , some do it and some don't , you are not obligated to do it and if you did become human it would not make you a prostitute!

I see many adds in newspapers that say N/S ( non Sexual ) massage , several of these same people have no issues with the happy ending as they don't consider it sex!, I have never heard of any massage therapist going beyond this point into full blown sex between therapist and client.
This would be wrong is every possible way!

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