Parker

Matawan, NJ

#344 Jul 20, 2010
Franklin wrote:
I have been to hundreds of massage sessions from chiropractic's office to private MT's, by both men and women, and have now find my perfect place. Totally nude, face up or down, no draping of any kind. Short of sex, they massage me every where I ask and I enjoy it very much. You got to try several places until you find the one that meets your needs.
Just be nice, polite and respectful. Don't forget to tip. You'll get extra time the next visit.
So do they give you a happy ending?
Franklin

Vista, CA

#345 Jul 20, 2010
Parker wrote:
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So do they give you a happy ending?
I'm working on it; getting to know the person helps. But tips is the big plus.
Franklin

Vista, CA

#346 Jul 20, 2010
Dude, happy ending is not the goal here. Getting coming out with a sense of relaxation and feeling well, is. Be it your crack or your neck being worked on is the goal. All of my massages are totally nude, face up or down. And yes, my girl massages everywhere I point to with pleasure.
Gee

Zacata, VA

#347 Jul 21, 2010
At work, we formed a kickball league. I was sitting next to my capitins who is a young lady with big boobs and a thin waist. On the day of our game she needed a ride home to change then we would go to the gaem togerther. Once in her small apartment, I needed to get changed as well. I went to the bathroom and she went to her room to get changed. The bathroom was across from her room and the door was not closded all the way. I was watching her undress. God, she looked great! I was down to my underware and playing with myself while wartchig her. She was walking to the bathroon which was unlocked and I then pretened to get dressed. I had my underwear down so she would see me hard. She was startled and said WOW while looking at it for a moment. After, she said I though you were using the other bedroom. She said sorry for walking in on you. I said that's ok I don't mind. She said, why were you so hard. I said I was watching you change. She said did you like what you saw. I said yes very much so. I said did you like what you saw. She said yes. After the game, we went back to her place and had sex.
John

Houston, TX

#348 Jul 25, 2010
LMT wrote:
Uhh Draping IS required by the Texas State Law. They just recently changed the hourly requirements from 300 to 500hrs, which is good. But Draping is always required. For those who had to take the practical part of the Licensing exam(which is not required anymore) if you exposed genitals or breasts or the gluteal cleavage you were instantly failed. There are professional draping skills that most of us know that do not impede our Therapy.
When the practical was required, draping was graded, but absolutely not required by Texas state law. It is totally up to the client if they want full, partial or NO draping. Get your facts straight.
Gee

Zacata, VA

#349 Jul 26, 2010
No wonder you practice massage. You want to see weiners. Homo!
John wrote:
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When the practical was required, draping was graded, but absolutely not required by Texas state law. It is totally up to the client if they want full, partial or NO draping. Get your facts straight.

Since: May 08

Miami, FL

#350 Jul 29, 2010
I don't see why draping is mandatory anywhere? If the client and therapist agree on no drape, what is the issue? Both must be comfortable, but why force a drape?
I'm glad I am in Fla where it can be done to the client/MTs wishes.
Herman

Chicago, IL

#351 Aug 1, 2010
Undraped massages when lying on my stomach is the best way to go. After going to the same therapist for about 6 months, she herself suggested that she could give a more fluid full massage if I was completely nude. I was squeamish at first and never looked back. She is a first rate licensed therapist
and I think that after a long time you just develop a familiarization and trust. Nothing sexual, just feels right and great.
uncut tomas

Peru

#352 Aug 2, 2010
my girl friend massages my buttocks, their rim in the anal area, and massages my perineum, and that sends me shivers of pleasure. Then she introduces her well lubed finger into anus very carefully ,finds my prostate which she gently massages. Then sexual pleasure is delirious, sometimes I get a rock hard erection and sometimes an inmediate orgasm which makes me cum abundantly. This orgasm is not always desirable; so before getting into such a state,I tell her to stop so we can start having good intense sex...By the way: most people dont know what perineum is? Can somebody explain it, because my English is somewhat rusty.
linus

Ridgewood, NY

#353 Aug 2, 2010
Hey tomas, your girlfriend knows about the "Male G-Spot". I agree that it's truly an intense feeling. Good for you, buddy! The perinium, btw, is the area between yer balls and yer ass. Also lovingly referred to as the "taint" :)
mee

Conway Springs, KS

#354 Aug 29, 2010
I had never asked for my glutes to be massaged, but then a young lady therapist used a draping techninque that only exposed one cheek at a time (the crack remained covered--dont't laugh, massage therapists, this is the vernacular), it was all very ethical and it took me by surprise.
Since this was the first massage she gave me, I kind of wonder if she did it to improve her chances of getting me as a repeat clent. I have not been back, but ever since, even though it is a little embarrassing, I have always asked for my glutes to be massaged. I have never been turned down. Last Sunday was the only time I got the glute massage over the sheet, all other times my glutes were partially exposed.
mee

Conway Springs, KS

#355 Aug 29, 2010
Franklin wrote:
I have been to hundreds of massage sessions from chiropractic's office to private MT's, by both men and women, and have now find my perfect place. Totally nude, face up or down, no draping of any kind. Short of sex, they massage me every where I ask and I enjoy it very much. You got to try several places until you find the one that meets your needs.
Just be nice, polite and respectful. Don't forget to tip. You'll get extra time the next visit.
If it was the first time I went to a massage therapist, and she (I won't let a man touch me)asked if it was ok for her to totally undrape me, I would run like the wind.

However, if a young lady had massaged me a few times and I had signed an intake form, if she then said would you like to be undraped, then I might say "yes" as long as you do not give me a "massage parlor" massage. She could massage my glutes, but I would not let her touch my privates, that is for sure.

On the other hand, I have always gone to ethical practitioners, so I am sure no young lady will ever ask if I am comfortable with being totally undraped. But then I am sixty-three, not a 25 year old hunk.
Franklin

Vista, CA

#356 Sep 3, 2010
mee wrote:
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If it was the first time I went to a massage therapist, and she (I won't let a man touch me)asked if it was ok for her to totally undrape me, I would run like the wind.
However, if a young lady had massaged me a few times and I had signed an intake form, if she then said would you like to be undraped, then I might say "yes" as long as you do not give me a "massage parlor" massage. She could massage my glutes, but I would not let her touch my privates, that is for sure.
On the other hand, I have always gone to ethical practitioners, so I am sure no young lady will ever ask if I am comfortable with being totally undraped. But then I am sixty-three, not a 25 year old hunk.
Hey Mee, for you to know, I'm over twice as "25 year old hunk" myself and still enjoy my bi-weekly massages. Except for the last one. Got a "Thai Massage"; not my favorite. I'll stick with deep tissue massage. Butt naked and all.
Ferris Bueller

Conway Springs, KS

#357 Sep 3, 2010
Today I received my first one and one half hour massage. I did intend to ask that my hip and buttocks be massaged, which I thought I would be telling the therapist before she left the room for me to undress. Always, the therapist, if she has not seen me before, will state that you can undress to the point to which you are comfortable, but she just simply said, "You can take everything off", and left the room. When she came in she did not ask what parts I wanted to focus on, and simply started to massage my back with quick strokes. It felt good, and since she had not asked about specific areas, I asked if she could do my hips and my cheeks. I was kind of embarassed, but have never been turned down, and it is ethical. However, she is the only massage therapist who pulled the sheet down to my thighs, exposing my entire buttocks. I did not mind one bit. She also massaged to within probably an inch or so of my crack, but never did she touch any part of my crack. So I am sure what she did was ethical.

When she turned me over to the front, I think I spread my legs further apart than usual, but it was not like it was so far apart to signal her to go high on my inner thigh. Not only did she go high on my inner thigh, but she once or twice went so high as to touch the base of my scrotum. I am pretty sure that my scrotal area was draped, but I know she touched it with her fingers. It felt good, and I started to wonder if she was going to ask if I wanted my privates massaged. Thankfully, she did not ask, and she did not do that.

I am about 95% certain that she intended to touch the base of my scrotum; however, I do not consider it unethical because she pulled back immediately each time and did not linger there, or massage my genitals. I read that it is unethical to massage a woman's breast; however, I am sure it would be ethical to massage a woman to the point of touching the base of her breasts as long as the massage therapist did not linger there or go higher.

I consider the massage I got to be pushing the ethical envelope, so to speak, but still inside the circle. I have been massaged by many therapists, however none of them have ever come close to touching the base of my scrotum. I would consider going back to her; however, she asked me a bunch of personal questions and wanted to see if I was interested in dating a friend of hers. Very tacky massage table conversation. I am almost certain she would liked to have dated me, and found me to be attractive. She is divorced, and when she found out I was single and not dating, she said "Why don't you go out and get you a woman". Not too forward in a bar, but certainly too forward for an AMTA massage.
Ferris Bueller

Conway Springs, KS

#358 Sep 3, 2010
To add to the comment I just posted, I am now pretty sure that her touching the base of my scrotum was a discreet signal by her that I was welcome to ask for a happy ending massage. It did not occur to me at the time; however, now I am almost certain this is what she was signaling.

Since I did not react, I believe she did not ask if I wanted my genital region massaged because she knew that she could be reported and possibly lose her certification for that. However, if I would have taken the signal and asked for a prostate or a genital massage, I am almost certain she would have done it. She could not have ethically charged me more for the massage, but I am thinking she probably thought if I asked for the "happy ending" massage I would leave a much larger tip.

I am sure a lot of you out there will think I was naive on not picking up her signal, but I don't care. I do not believe in a "Massage Parlor" massage. If I had wanted a "happy ending" massage, I would have gone to a massage parlor.
Ferris Bueller

Conway Springs, KS

#359 Sep 4, 2010
Fullermassage wrote:
I don't have any hangups about nudity at all, in fact I could very easily be a nudist. I do however, drape ALL clients because I run a professional clinic. I personally find that I get more respect from clients because of this.
I also expect my GYN to keep me covered above the groin area, never heard of a gyn/ob visit where you are nude with no cover. How do you equate being covered with a sheet by your doctor and doing anything by feel? Most MTs uncover the area being worked, never heard of working through a sheet for most clients.
Draping is merely showing respect for the client, not having hangups as so many are trying to falsely accuse here.
In America, nudity and touch are too easily equated with sex. It is for this reason that rules for draping where established. Draping also establishes boundaries for the MT and for the client.
Most clients are not comfortable with being completely on display for anyone. For those who hate being draped with a sheet, a towel will suffice.
I ask that you please stop labeling and belittling those who are different from you. There are rules and regulations in place to protect the client and the MT. Please remember that there is much diversity in this world and no one thing will please everyone.
About butt massage: I teach my clients about the 9 muscles on each side of their butt so that they have a better understanding of why I spend so much time on their gluts, and to de-sexualize it for anyone who might get the wrong idea (i.e. sex). Knowledge is a good thing.
I so appreciate the way you wrote this. I only recently started getting my glutes massaged, and even then I did not ask for it until after a massage therapist undraped one glute, massaged it, recovered it, and then did the same on the other. I remember thinking, this feels really good. So ever since then I have asked for a glute massage.

My experience is that massage therapists will not massage the glutes unless they are asked for a hip and/or buttocks massage. And one time I was given the glute massage through the sheet, which was probably just as therapeutic, but not as enjoyable.

I have never been massaged at a massage parlor, nor do I intend to. Nor do I intend to ever ask to be completely undraped, or to ask for a happy ending.
Ferris Bueller

Conway Springs, KS

#360 Sep 4, 2010
Herman wrote:
Undraped massages when lying on my stomach is the best way to go. After going to the same therapist for about 6 months, she herself suggested that she could give a more fluid full massage if I was completely nude. I was squeamish at first and never looked back. She is a first rate licensed therapist
and I think that after a long time you just develop a familiarization and trust. Nothing sexual, just feels right and great.
I am glad for you that your therapist is so professional. Since she asked you if you would not mind being undraped, this was a big plus, in my opinion. I think oftentimes when the client asks to be undraped, the massage therapist is put into the uncomfortable position of wondering whether the client is going to ask for a happy ending massage, which in some states can lead to loss of one's license, if reported by the client.

I think a lot of the therapists I have seen would have refused to undrape me totally if I had asked for that, and I never have asked for that. As we all know, the Swedish method is to only undrape the area being massaged.
Ferris Bueller

Conway Springs, KS

#361 Sep 5, 2010
I read on a massage website today that, in general, it is never appropriate for a massage therapist to touch any part of a client's genitals. So now I realize that what my therapist did was inappropiate, when she massaged my inner thigh at least twice to the point of touching the base of my scrotum, although she did not linger there, or go higher.

It said that if the therapist accidentally touches any part of the genitals, the therapist should apologize. She did not apologize; however, I did not call her on it, I actually kind of enjoyed it. Yet again, I never told her or encouraged her to go that high, she just did.

That being said, I don't feel like I was harmed in any way, but I will not go back. And I will not report her. It was a violation of massage ethics, but not a gross violation.

The main reason I will not go back is that she asked too many personal questions, and tried to get me interested in dating an acquaintance of hers who happens to be of the same faith as I, Catholic. She also commented when I said I was unattached and lonely, "Why don't you go out and get you a woman".
Ferris Bueller

Conway Springs, KS

#362 Sep 5, 2010
There has been much discussion on this forum about being massaged totally undraped; and I think most times this has meant full nudity while lying on one's back in addition to full nudity while lying on one's stomach.

As I see it, whether or not frontal nudity is or is not ethical (and I do not think it is), one problem is that the massage therapist, if married, is cheating on his or her spouse by looking at someone else's privates, just as a married man is cheating on his wife by going to a gentleman's club and watching a dancer perform completely nude. The same goes for the client, if there is frontal nudity during the massage, then the client, whether male or female, has cheated on his or her spouse. To me, if either the therapist or the client or both are married and there is full frontal nudity during the massage, even if no privates are touched, there has been adultery. The only naked person a married person is suppose to see in the flesh is his or her spouse.

Exceptions are for like doctors, nurses, occupational therapists, et cetera, who sometimes have to see a patient naked as a necessary part of doing their job.

If both the therapist and the client are single and the threrapist massages the client with frontal nudity, that may be a type of fornication, even if their is no genital touching.
client in Texas

Waco, TX

#363 Sep 6, 2010
Ferris - you are one uptight dude

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