Butt Massage

“Live Laugh Love”

Since: Oct 07

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#299 Jan 13, 2010
Have to agree with LMT on this one. Just what is the fascination with undraped massage?

It only takes 3-4 seconds to undrape an area (I timed myself to find this out) and about 1-2 seconds to redrape. I use flannel sheets that are very soft, and have never had a client ask for undraped massage. In fact, since I use a few soft, soothing strokes before re-draping, my clients enjoy the entire experience.

I do extensive work on the gluts for everyone since a person really can't move without engaging one or more of the 9 gluteal muscles. I do this through the sheet instead of uncovering the butt, and have never had any complaints.

Got to wondering why several posters complain about draping and having to actually ask for a butt massage. Every MT I know does gluteal work and drapes all clients. Again, what is the fascination with not being draped?
Tim

Chester, VA

#300 Jan 21, 2010
Rick wrote:
I havent had a massage for years but plan on soon after reading all the comments here. I do have a question. I remember some masseuse would somehow ask when its only like 10 minutes before time is up, if I like "something else". There are times that I certainly would have, and other times I dont feel any connection at all to the masseuse and would rather just not be asked. However some are so persistent. Any recommendation from any of you LMTs on this
There shouldn't be any harm in them asking you once. If you say no, they shouldn't press the issue. If they do, or otherwise make you uncomfortable, go to a different massage therapist next time. An ethical professional wouldn't pressure you to have anything done that you're not comfortable with.
Paul

Birmingham, AL

#301 Jan 21, 2010
Fullermassage wrote:
Have to agree with LMT on this one. Just what is the fascination with undraped massage?
In the first place, not all therapists are as skilled as you (apparently) are with the undraping/redraping process. With some therapists, there's undraping, tucking, pulling, straightening, etc. Can be quite a distraction at several points throughout the session.(I know, the answer there is find a new therapist, right!?!?)

In the second place, a drape in the middle of the body sort of precludes the long-flowing strokes of a Lomi- or Esalen-style massage, which I thoroughly enjoy.

In the third place, a drape on the front side of the body, particularly in the groin area, can sometimes increase the problem of unintended arousal. Soft, smooth sheets sliding against a man's genitals as the drape is moved around can cause a problem to "pop up," ha ha.

It seems paradoxical, I know. But I find myself more likely to have an erection during a draped massage than an undraped one, because of the movement of the sheet against my genitals.

“Live Laugh Love”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#302 Jan 21, 2010
Paul, as massage therapy moves into the mainstream, so does the need for adequate training. This is an area that needs much improvement, since too many states do not regulate massage schools. However, as massage therapy becomes more established with those who seek to help the body instead of just those looking to earn some money with hand jobs, so too will the training become better.
If the MT is constantly tugging, tucking, pulling etc. I can see how this would be annoying. I have told MTs to stop fussing with the sheets whenever I happen to have an MT who doesn't quite understand how annoying it is. You should feel free to gently tell your MT that the constant fussing with the sheets detracts from the massage. When I first started my training, I also pulled and tugged to get the sheet perfectly smooth (why? no idea). I had to learn that the sheet is secondary to the massage and that MOST people don't even feel the sheet against their skin.
Lomi Lomi and Esalen style massage are totally different from the average therapeutic massage. The style of cover used for these is understood to be much less or absent. Yes, long relaxing strokes can be accomplished by a competent MT without removing the draping, which again goes to good training in the first place. But to compare Lomi Lomi to therapeutic is comparing apples and oranges. Both are good modalities.
If a man is so sensitive in the groin area that a simple soft sheet is causing an erection, then there is a problem there. Does the patient gown at the Dr. office cause the same problem as it moves across the groin? Do the sheets on your bed cause you to have an erection every time you turn over? Really, I am NOT trying to be nasty here, just discussing the whole sheet across the groin thing. What about the many men who wear silk boxers, are they constantly having an erection all day? If a man is that sensitive he really needs to find out why. I have teenage boys who come to me for a massage (sports injuries) and they don't get erections, so why should an adult.
Erections in and of themselves are not an issue for the properly trained MT. It is an established fact that relaxation can and will cause a man to experience an erection. It is all this "talk" about something HAS to be done about the erection by the MT that is frustrating.
Thanks for sharing your views, I do appreciate the opportunity to learn and discuss.
Paul

Birmingham, AL

#303 Jan 22, 2010
Fullermassage wrote:
...If a man is so sensitive in the groin area that a simple soft sheet is causing an erection, then there is a problem there. Does the patient gown at the Dr. office cause the same problem as it moves across the groin? Do the sheets on your bed cause you to have an erection every time you turn over? Really, I am NOT trying to be nasty here, just discussing the whole sheet across the groin thing. What about the many men who wear silk boxers, are they constantly having an erection all day? If a man is that sensitive he really needs to find out why. I have teenage boys who come to me for a massage (sports injuries) and they don't get erections, so why should an adult.
Good points, I just wanted to respond do this one.

A doctor's office is NOT a massage studio. Yes, I've had unwanted erections at a doctor's office. But rarely. Why? Because the nervousness about being at the doctor inhibits that natural reaction.

During a massage, on the other hand, the goal is relaxation, without any of the accompanying nervousness. Now, especially with a new therapist, I am sometimes nervous. But with a therapist who knows what he/she is doing, the nervousness disappears, and the body's natural reactions sometimes take over.

With the teenage boys that see you, I suspect the nervousness may be a factor.

If I slept naked in bed, I might get erections from the friction sometimes, yes.

If I wore silk boxers, I would undoubtedly get an erection at times. In fact, this is why many men wear them.

I can only speak for my experience, no one else's.
Terry

Seattle, WA

#305 Feb 27, 2010
As a naturist, may I say that the main problem with being draped during a massage is that it implies there is something dirty about the human body. There is not. The human body is beautiful, in all its myriad shapes and forms. People who insist on hiding their nakedness or that of others have obviously not experienced the open, liberating, non-judgemental, all-inclusive feeling of being nude with other like-minded people.
LMT Aide

United States

#306 Mar 28, 2010
Was wondering if any therapists would be interested in a massage aide I am designing that addresses this specific issue. It is a soft flexible device (that is covered with a white terry cover) that covers just the genitalia and the glutial cleft (just above the anus). This allows for full lomi-lomi strokes w/o moving drapes (on either side) and avoids needing to protect / avoid genitals completely on groin pain issues.

Thanks for your feedback
Dexter Ous

Baton Rouge, LA

#307 Mar 28, 2010
LMT Aide wrote:
Was wondering if any therapists would be interested in a massage aide I am designing that addresses this specific issue. It is a soft flexible device (that is covered with a white terry cover) that covers just the genitalia and the glutial cleft (just above the anus). This allows for full lomi-lomi strokes w/o moving drapes (on either side) and avoids needing to protect / avoid genitals completely on groin pain issues.
Thanks for your feedback
Where can one see an illustration of such a device? Might be interested.
keith

San Jose, CA

#308 Mar 30, 2010
i have had alot of massages,and only a few times was i undraped.i found that male therapists will massage clients undraped more than female therapists.
LMT Aide

United States

#309 Mar 30, 2010
Dexter Ous

Working on the design now. We got the idea from a woman's new underwear product called a C-string
https://www.cstringdirect.com/product.php

Ours would go less high in the back so to avoid hitting with cross strokes but be much more ample in the front to cover both men's genitalia and more modesty for women

Additionally it would be a standard white terri and easily washable
Client in Texas

Austin, TX

#310 Mar 31, 2010
I would not want to wear any such device when getting a massage. It sounds really uncomfortable. I much prefer un-draped massage. Why spoil the natural relaxing feeling from a massage. When I was in Europe, people were not uptight about natural nudity like Americans are.
Paul

Birmingham, AL

#311 Mar 31, 2010
Client in Texas, I agree. But the regulations in some states require some sort of covering over the genitals. For therapists and/or clients who aren't comfortable breaking those regulations, this C-string inspired product might be better than a drape.
Sheet Head

Baton Rouge, LA

#314 Apr 2, 2010
Got the worst massage of my life this week. But that's another story for another day. However, just one detail. The therapist acted so nervous, even paranoid about "state law" that I began to wonder if she thought I was an "undercover agent" from the Massage Board. I was SO covered with the sheet from the time she started until she finished. When she had me on my stomach, the sheet was never pulled lower than about 2/3's of the way down my back. Through the sheet, the finger-tipped my buttocks, legs, etc. Then she did some percussions on my legs and back, through the sheet, before finishing. This was the first time I left an MT having more stress than I did when I went in. Never will I return.
LMT Aide

United States

#315 Apr 2, 2010
Client in Texas wrote:
I would not want to wear any such device when getting a massage. It sounds really uncomfortable.
The design will not be comfortable at all. it will will soft and pliable no more noticable than a towel or draping. The goal is for clients to not think about it and therapists to not worry about it.
LMT Aide

United States

#316 Apr 2, 2010
Sorry, I meant, not uncomfortable at all, need to learn how to edit posts.
Client in Texas

Austin, TX

#317 Apr 2, 2010
To Sheet Head - I also experienced a massage like that - and I also will never go back to that establishment. When the primary focus of the therapist is to drape rather than provide a relaxing massage, there is no value in it for me. I have had a few draped massages that were "good" massages, where the therapist attempted to minimize the inconvenience of draping, however no matter how well the draping is done, it interferes with the complete relaxing effect.

To LMT Aide - While I appreciate your efforts to provide a solution to the draping issue, I would suggest that your statement "would not be more noticeable that a towel or drape" comes back to my opinion and that of some others, that a towel or drape detracts from the massage.
I have had quite a few un-draped (nude) massages that have been professional, relaxing, non-sexual and therapeutic, from both male and female therapists. I will continue to seek out those professionals that are able to accommodate my preferences.
Tina

Avenel, NJ

#319 Apr 8, 2010
I have been getting massages for a month now from my new next door neighbor. He is an elderly man living alone, he invited me in for coffee when he moved in, and conversation got my lower back ache I had the day before.

Well he said that he had massage training years ago, and might be able to help, so I reluctantly agreed to get undressed and lay on a blanket on his livingroom floor. I guess I figured on him offering me a towel because I felt strange being undressed, and I still didn't know if he was for real.

Well no towel, and I laid face down on the floor and I was nude. He did massage me in other places, but concentrated on the lower back. I will tell you that he did concentrate on my behind (glutes) as well, saying it was necessary for aligning and relieving my back.

I have been going to him three times a week, and yes, he does massage inside the "cleft" and deeper, but it does feel amazing. I have nothing against it, and he doesn't seem to my mind doing it, so I lucked out I guess.

I also get more than the glutes, as he has no problems performing breast, even pelvic massage.

Than you.
Lucked Out for sure

Baton Rouge, LA

#320 Apr 8, 2010
Tina: Sounds like this is a great arrangement for the both of you--an old man gets his jollies and you get yours. Can't beat an arrangement like that, especially since you don't indicate that any funds exchange hands. Mutual bliss--nothing nicer. Cheers!

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#321 Apr 13, 2010
Paul wrote:
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With some therapists, there's undraping, tucking, pulling, straightening, etc. Can be quite a distraction at several points throughout the session.
As a licensed therapist, I have to agree with you Paul about some therapists draping technique being very distracting. I recently hired a new therapist, and we had a couples massage. She was talking, telling the client all about tucking his drape, constant fiddling with it. It was very distracting to me as a therapist working on the other client in the room, I can only imagine how bad it was for both clients. I had to talk to her about these distractions, it didn't do much good, she did the same thing in the next couples massage. She no longer works for me, but that's a different story.
Paul

Birmingham, AL

#322 Apr 13, 2010
djb2103 wrote:
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As a licensed therapist, I have to agree with you Paul about some therapists draping technique being very distracting. I recently hired a new therapist, and we had a couples massage. She was talking, telling the client all about tucking his drape, constant fiddling with it. It was very distracting to me as a therapist working on the other client in the room, I can only imagine how bad it was for both clients. I had to talk to her about these distractions, it didn't do much good, she did the same thing in the next couples massage. She no longer works for me, but that's a different story.
No question. Anything that takes the client "out of the moment," so to speak, out of the zone of relaxation, is a bad thing.

Obviously, my preference is for undraped massage. But when that is not available, I much prefer for a therapist to use a towel rather than a sheet for draping. If the room is at the proper temperature, I don't need my back covered, don't need my legs covered.

Keep the gluteal cleft covered, and work the rest of the backside of the body without having to move the towel once.

On the front side, keep the pelvic area covered, and again the rest of the body can be massaged without any moving of the drape.

I realize that this situation works better in my case than in some; being a male, it is not necessary for my chest to be covered, so a towel is adequate.

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