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Rob J

Portland, OR

#1 Feb 25, 2012
After going to the same massage therapist for over 6 months, he tells me that he no longer feels comfortable to give me a massage. I was taken aback by this, since in the beginning, he massaged me undraped and would sometimes touch my penis/balls while massaging. I didn't think of it as being sexual but more like getting into the areas that I find sensual and working some of the tight areas around my gluteus, inner leg and thighs. In short, he told me that I wanted him to get me off. Honestly, my goal was not to cum, but rather to have a sensual massage from a legitimate massage therapist.

I'm wondering if this has happened to others that was looking for a sensual but not necessarily an all out sex filled massage session. I'm also wondering how I will find the right kind of person to give both a therapeutic and sensual massage without the guilt trip.

Is it too much to ask for both a sensual and therapeutic massage by a legit massage therapist?

Thanks
an LMT

Des Moines, IA

#2 Feb 26, 2012
Yes.
hotdude

Miami, FL

#3 Feb 27, 2012
NO! I have been going to a licenced MT for over 2 years. He gives a very sensual massage undraped.
He massages my glutes and goes over my ass crack and lightly brushes down to my balls, which feels amazing. He will touch my penis some to get me aroused but does not have me climax. He has stated flat out that he builds a relationship over time and will do as much as he and I are comfortable with but there is a line he will not cross.
This is what you are looking for and it is not unreasonable to find someone to do this.
Paul

Birmingham, AL

#4 Feb 27, 2012
Rob J wrote:
After going to the same massage therapist for over 6 months, he tells me that he no longer feels comfortable to give me a massage. I was taken aback by this, since in the beginning, he massaged me undraped and would sometimes touch my penis/balls while massaging. I didn't think of it as being sexual but more like getting into the areas that I find sensual and working some of the tight areas around my gluteus, inner leg and thighs. In short, he told me that I wanted him to get me off. Honestly, my goal was not to cum, but rather to have a sensual massage from a legitimate massage therapist.
I'm wondering if this has happened to others that was looking for a sensual but not necessarily an all out sex filled massage session. I'm also wondering how I will find the right kind of person to give both a therapeutic and sensual massage without the guilt trip.
Is it too much to ask for both a sensual and therapeutic massage by a legit massage therapist?
Thanks
No, and since you don't mind (or prefer?) a male therapist, you really shouldn't have to try too hard to find this. Therapists willing to provide this type of service are certainly out there.
Gee

Wayne, PA

#5 Feb 27, 2012
...I went to this one Asian massage place in the city. It was at night on the weekend on one of the small side streets. I opened the door and a lady comes up to me and takes me to one of the rooms and says to undress. 10 seconds later, she comes in as I was undressing. She did not mind. Neither did I. When I pulled off my underware, I was real hard. She said lay on your back. No towel. She said how much you got. I said $100. She took off her clothes and climbed on me. She put my cock inside of her with no condom. I pulled out to cum and she sucked it all up. The best $$ ever spent!

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Louisiana LMT

West Monroe, LA

#6 Feb 29, 2012
I hope none of you fellas come to Louisiana looking for that type of "therapist". Any REAL licensed massage therapist from Louisiana could lose their license for incorrect draping (we have to keep the breast area, genitals, and glut. cleft covered at ALL times)and inappropriate touching.
Massage therapy is not something that should be sensual. It is therapy, just like physical therapy and any therapy you would receive from a psychologist or psychiatrist. While it can cause arousal, that is most certainly NOT the goal of massage therapy and it is never something a REAL LMT would include in their routine.
To be honest, if I ever get a client who requests something as disgusting and lewd as any of the you guys seem to think that we LMTs do, I would stop the session and make you leave my place of business immediately, and you would be lucky if the cops are not waiting for you in the parking lot! LMTs are NOT hookers! Your minds are just putrid and filthy.
an LMT

Des Moines, IA

#7 Feb 29, 2012
Right on Louisianan LMT!
Paul

Birmingham, AL

#8 Feb 29, 2012
Louisiana LMT wrote:
I hope none of you fellas come to Louisiana looking for that type of "therapist". Any REAL licensed massage therapist from Louisiana could lose their license for incorrect draping (we have to keep the breast area, genitals, and glut. cleft covered at ALL times)and inappropriate touching......
Of course, no one here would suggest you do something you don't want to do. And yes, in all states in the US, sexual services are illegal when traded for money (except for certain counties in NV).
Still, who knows what happens behind closed doors? A client who requests undraped massage and/or sexual services isn't going to tattle on a therapist who provides those services.
So while you are correct from a technical standpoint, in the real world, this does happen, with no consequences. And personally, I don't think there should be legal or licensure consequences for the private actions of two consenting adults.
LMT

Medina, OH

#9 Feb 29, 2012
Paul wrote:
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Of course, no one here would suggest you do something you don't want to do. And yes, in all states in the US, sexual services are illegal when traded for money (except for certain counties in NV).
Still, who knows what happens behind closed doors? A client who requests undraped massage and/or sexual services isn't going to tattle on a therapist who provides those services.
So while you are correct from a technical standpoint, in the real world, this does happen, with no consequences. And personally, I don't think there should be legal or licensure consequences for the private actions of two consenting adults.
That's why you would never pass the ethics training, let alone the background check required for licensure as an LMT.
Gee

Wayne, PA

#10 Feb 29, 2012
You are one of those type of people. I would stay away from you. You don't sound like much fun. Maybe you need a drapless massage to see what all the hype is all about.
Louisiana LMT wrote:
I hope none of you fellas come to Louisiana looking for that type of "therapist". Any REAL licensed massage therapist from Louisiana could lose their license for incorrect draping (we have to keep the breast area, genitals, and glut. cleft covered at ALL times)and inappropriate touching.
Massage therapy is not something that should be sensual. It is therapy, just like physical therapy and any therapy you would receive from a psychologist or psychiatrist. While it can cause arousal, that is most certainly NOT the goal of massage therapy and it is never something a REAL LMT would include in their routine.
To be honest, if I ever get a client who requests something as disgusting and lewd as any of the you guys seem to think that we LMTs do, I would stop the session and make you leave my place of business immediately, and you would be lucky if the cops are not waiting for you in the parking lot! LMTs are NOT hookers! Your minds are just putrid and filthy.
Paul

Birmingham, AL

#11 Feb 29, 2012
LMT wrote:
<quoted text>That's why you would never pass the ethics training, let alone the background check required for licensure as an LMT.
Chuckle. Well, as a client, not a therapist, this isn't relevant.

Having said that, I've taken plenty of ethics training, and had plenty of background checks for various employers. All clean.
Sally

Des Moines, IA

#12 Mar 1, 2012
Paul wrote:
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Chuckle. Well, as a client, not a therapist, this isn't relevant.
Having said that, I've taken plenty of ethics training, and had plenty of background checks for various employers. All clean.
You lead a scary double life. Please stay away from the real massage therapists.
Paul

Birmingham, AL

#13 Mar 1, 2012
Sally wrote:
<quoted text>You lead a scary double life. Please stay away from the real massage therapists.
I won't, but thanks for telling me what to do. I will continue to have solid relationships with massage therapists, will continue to be a polite, respectful, and generous client.

When appropriate, I will also broach the subjects of undraped massage and happy endings, when I feel that the MT might be open to such conversations. If she declines either, I will drop the subject and NEVER bring it up again.

In 15+ years of seeing massage therapists, I have only ONCE been dropped as a client for bringing up the subject of a happy ending. I respected her wishes and never returned.

Otherwise, even MTs who don't wish to provide happy endings have continued to see me as a client, because I am polite and respectful. Two adults can discuss sexual topics without the world ending.
Louisiana LMT

West Monroe, LA

#14 Mar 7, 2012
Paul wrote:
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Of course, no one here would suggest you do something you don't want to do. And yes, in all states in the US, sexual services are illegal when traded for money (except for certain counties in NV).
Still, who knows what happens behind closed doors? A client who requests undraped massage and/or sexual services isn't going to tattle on a therapist who provides those services.
So while you are correct from a technical standpoint, in the real world, this does happen, with no consequences. And personally, I don't think there should be legal or licensure consequences for the private actions of two consenting adults.
There are laws set up for a reason. These laws are to help ensure that everyone involved in the massage remains safe. These laws can help keep the therapist safe from false accusations and what do to to make sure you can prove the accusations false. This helps with clients not feeling like they are forced to do anything they dont want as well. Whether you believe it or not, most clients will feel vulnerable and self conscience instead of aroused during a massage. After all, they are in a small room with dimmed lights and having to lay naked or in their underwear under a sheet on a little table while someone else is examining their body. Yes, it can seem sensual and even sexual just from hearing it, but it is more like a visit to gynecologist or a man having his prostate examined than some dirty story. We LMTs are here for the client's health and relaxation, not their wet dreams.
Did you know that in the state of Louisiana if a therapist wanted to date one of their clients they would have to stop seeing them as a therapist for 6 months BEFORE they can ask the client out on a personal level? This is in place to allow the client and the therapist to make sure that the feelings they might have had were real and not some psychological issue that would remove the consent from the "two consenting adults". This is much like the psychiatrist and psychologists who are accused of rape after having "consensual" sex with a client only later to find out that the client felt forced to because of vulnerability factor. And yes, it does happen. Clients may feel like they need to do whatever the therapist requests because of this vulnerability. They may think that because we are the licensed professionals we know exactly what we are doing and may be too afraid to speak up at all during the massage. I have had plenty of clients who sit there quietly instead of speaking up if I work on a spot that is tender. When I asked them why they didnt say anything sooner, it was because I was the professional and they were not!
And you bring up another point I want to address. You claim that a client would not tattle on a therapist if they did go along with the requests, but don't you think that the clients would brag about it or share it with friends who shared similar interests like these individuals in this forum are? Even if they only told ONE other person, and they only told ONE other person each time it was passed on, it wouldn't take long before the place got a reputation as a sex parlor instead of a therapeutic spa. Then there would be more and more clients who want the same type of service. Except that not all "clients" who request such things are really clients. Some are undercover cops and some are people from the license board. Generally, when word gets out that there is a place doing such a thing one of the two, if not both, tend to show up undercover.
Also, I completely disagree with you on the point of it being illegal and the LMT losing their license. They SHOULD be thrown in jail and lose their license and no longer be allowed to practice. Legitimate LMTs such as myself are trying very HARD to get acceptance from the medical field. There are some who are against massage being accepted precisely due to the fact that there are hookers masquerading around as LMTs. We need to weed out the hookers.
Louisiana LMT

West Monroe, LA

#15 Mar 7, 2012
Gee wrote:
You are one of those type of people. I would stay away from you. You don't sound like much fun. Maybe you need a drapless massage to see what all the hype is all about.
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If by "one of those people" you mean a professional who abides by the law while attending my clients needs that are within my scope of practice, then yes, I am one of those people. I would hope that you did stay away from me as I would hate to have to call the cops for your attempted sexual solicitations. Also, I am actually loads of fun. My husband can vouch for that. And again the drape-less thing is against the law and since I am "one of those people", I have absolutely no interest in it and wouldn't be doing that now would I?
Honestly I feel sorry for you and any other person who has to pay someone to have sex with them. I mean, it is truly pitiful that someone would have to try and solicit sexual favors from a professional LMT or anyone else involved in healthcare. You guys must not have much experience with human touch or not a lot going on for you in other places if you think that just because a professional LMT is working on your body then it must mean sex should be involved.
Louisiana LMT

West Monroe, LA

#16 Mar 7, 2012
Paul wrote:
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Otherwise, even MTs who don't wish to provide happy endings have continued to see me as a client, because I am polite and respectful. Two adults can discuss sexual topics without the world ending.
Also, I feel I need to make sure that you are aware that there is actually a difference between sexual solicitation and two adults talking about sex.
The first thing, sexual solicitation, is when someone asks another for sexual favors with or without the exchange of money. By asking anyone to give you a happy ending, you are soliciting them for sexual favors, NOT having a conversation that just happens to have a sexual topic. What you are doing just by asking for sexual favors IS ILLEGAL.
When law enforcement agencies seek to curtail prostitution, they use decoy operations. A person who offers to perform a sex act with an undercover officer for money can be arrested for solicitation of prostitution. Police decoys are also used to nab customers. When a person looking to pay for sex approaches a decoy officer and makes, by words or gestures, this request, the person can be arrested for solicitation of prostitution.
So keep right on. Hopefully you will get caught soon.
Paul

Birmingham, AL

#17 Mar 8, 2012
Louisiana LMT wrote:
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Also, I feel I need to make sure that you are aware that there is actually a difference between sexual solicitation and two adults talking about sex.
The first thing, sexual solicitation, is when someone asks another for sexual favors with or without the exchange of money. By asking anyone to give you a happy ending, you are soliciting them for sexual favors, NOT having a conversation that just happens to have a sexual topic. What you are doing just by asking for sexual favors IS ILLEGAL.
When law enforcement agencies seek to curtail prostitution, they use decoy operations. A person who offers to perform a sex act with an undercover officer for money can be arrested for solicitation of prostitution. Police decoys are also used to nab customers. When a person looking to pay for sex approaches a decoy officer and makes, by words or gestures, this request, the person can be arrested for solicitation of prostitution.
So keep right on. Hopefully you will get caught soon.
I won't, since it would be illegal for a police officer to portray him/herself as a massage therapist and perform a massage on me. I also generally visit a therapist a few times before the topic of happy endings is broached.

You are right that police officers often use decoys on street corners as a way to make prostitution-related arrests, of both prostitutes and johns. So I won't go anywhere near that scene.

I fully and completely understand that it's illegal to discuss sexual favors in exchange for money. I don't agree with it, but I understand it.

I also understand that it's illegal to exceed the speed limit, even by ~5 miles an hour or so. Yet I do that as well, practically on a daily basis. We all have our comfort levels. I don't perform any actions that harm others or infringe on other people's rights. So my conscience is clear.
Paul

Birmingham, AL

#19 Mar 9, 2012
Normal Flora wrote:
<quoted text>So you never really found out if you COULD re-book with them after revealing yourself to be just another horny John, right?
With that therapist? No, because it was quite obvious she was no longer comfortable with me as a client, and I respected that.

I have continued to see many other therapists who told me they were not interested in providing undraped massage and/or happy endings. If the massage quality was good, I continued (and in two cases, continue to this day) to see them for strictly therapeutic, properly draped massage.
Paul

Birmingham, AL

#21 Mar 9, 2012
Normal Flora wrote:
<quoted text>And yet you wish they were hookers. I wonder how they would feel about that if they knew your real intentions.
You aren't paying attention. They *DO* know my real intentions. I'm talking about therapists to whom I've expressed my preference for undraped massage and/or a happy ending.

They know it, they've declined to allow it, and they're OK with me returning as a client. They also don't call me derogatory names like "pervert." They understand that the human body isn't anything to be ashamed of; and even if they aren't interested in doing certain things, they aren't offended by the mere suggestion of those things.

In other words, they are mature, reasonable adults.
Louisiana LMT

West Monroe, LA

#22 Mar 11, 2012
Paul wrote:
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I won't, since it would be illegal for a police officer to portray him/herself as a massage therapist and perform a massage on me. I also generally visit a therapist a few times before the topic of happy endings is broached.
You are right that police officers often use decoys on street corners as a way to make prostitution-related arrests, of both prostitutes and johns. So I won't go anywhere near that scene.
I fully and completely understand that it's illegal to discuss sexual favors in exchange for money. I don't agree with it, but I understand it.
I also understand that it's illegal to exceed the speed limit, even by ~5 miles an hour or so. Yet I do that as well, practically on a daily basis. We all have our comfort levels. I don't perform any actions that harm others or infringe on other people's rights. So my conscience is clear.
You misunderstood me on that first point. A police officer would not portray themselves to be a therapist, they would portray themselves as a client looking for those types of services. They might ask around and get info on where to go based on what the clients who claim to have received those types of "massages" say and then go investigate the therapist. From there they could arrest the therapist and may, depending on the state and laws about a therapist's records, be able to use any records the therapist kept to arrest their other clients for prostitution.
Honestly I am appalled and disgusted that you and others seem to think it is perfectly acceptable to ask for sexual favors based on the fact that they are touching your body in any shape or form. May I ask, do you also ask your nurses, doctors, or any other profession that may run the risk of touching you if they will give you a happy ending as well?
I had to go to school to learn every technique used and their proper names, every muscle in the body (their names, what they attach to, what they do, ALL OF IT), how everything in the body works, and numerous other things including several laws before I was even allowed to take the testing necessary to get my license. To keep my license I must take continuing education classes each year to show that I am current and up to date on any changes to information that may have taken place during the course of the year.
It is a pity that you obviously are too horny to see me or any other therapist as nothing more than a high class hooker, especially after having to see what all we learned to make sure you are safe and enjoy your massage in a legal manner. It is also people just like you who solicit sexual favors from apparently every single therapist you have ever been to, that keeps the medical field from completely allowing massage therapy to be recognized as beneficial to so many people for so many needs (that don't involve sex).
You claim you have a clear conscience, but you shouldn't since you obviously enjoy treating other people like hookers. It is insulting and degrading on many levels, not to mention just plain pathetic. You say you are not harming people, but you really are. It may not be physically and it may not be easily seen, but you know you are since you already stated that you made one therapist so uncomfortable that you wont even go back to them. You think you didn't hurt them emotionally by treating them like some garden variety hooker just to satisfy yourself? Think again. It just kills me a little inside every time I have to explain to people that I am not some "undercover hooker" and what massage therapy REALLY is because they are getting these distorted versions from perverts.
By the way, there is no "polite way" to insinuate that someone is a hooker or even ask for a sexual favor. You keep insisting you are very polite and never rude to all your therapists no matter how they answer your request, but I find that incredibly hard to believe. You are just trying to justify your actions and make yourself sound good, in my opinion.

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