On the job with a chiropractor

On the job with a chiropractor

There are 142 comments on the Boston Globe story from Jun 11, 2009, titled On the job with a chiropractor. In it, Boston Globe reports that:

As a chiropractor, Chad Messina encounters his share of skeptics. 'Patients will tell me, 'I don't believe in chiropractic, as if it's a religion,' says the Marlborough-based practitioner.

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Wisdom

Brooklyn, NY

#1 Jun 12, 2009
"As a chiropractor, Chad Messina encounters his share of skeptics.“Patients will tell me,‘I don’t believe in chiropractic, as if it’s a religion,” says the Marlborough-based practitioner.“But it’s not a matter of belief, but having the structures of the body – the joints, bones, and muscles – in the right place.”

Ha ha That's rich.

There are "cult" like management companies that advise and run chiropractic offices throughout the United States. One of these companies is known as "maximized living" or "body by god".

Chiropractors that belong to these management companies are notorious for scaring patients into long term care.

You may never know which chiropractors belong to these groups. None can be trusted.

Indeed, you would never know what chiropractor uses legitimate manipulation techniques or which uses bizarre treatment techniques such as "activator" or nucca quackery.

Chiropractic has a long way to go in cleaning up their own field. They cannot be trusted.

Like a box of chocolates, you never know what you'll get when seeing one of these quackers.

Do not take a chance.
LMT

Chagrin Falls, OH

#3 Jun 12, 2009
Hmm, that's definately NOT my experience with chiropractors. I believe in chiropractic, but it still carries the stigma of when, say it with me, UNREGULATED chiropractic claimed to cure diabetes, cancer, etc. Today's chiropractors are very careful to refer a patient to an MD or DO when they determine that the signs and symptoms are beyond their expertise. What they are very good at is realigning rotated vertebrae. No sensible MD would attempt that.
LMT

Chagrin Falls, OH

#4 Jun 12, 2009
Addendum: and that's not because MDs don't believe in realignment. They're just not as skilled as a chiropractor in performing it.
YesMan

United States

#6 Jun 12, 2009
You see everyone dear old wisGUMPER cannot resist to do what anyone tells him to do. I told him that he has been promoted to Forrest GUMP aka wisGUMPER and what does he do in his posts he starts talking like him (the line about the box of choclates)?

wisGUMPER that proves you are a "YesMan", but I am glad that you are learning, I have tried hard to teach you what an idiot you really are and you know what from the above post, it is really working? Now did the chirotalkers teach you the trick of repeating activator and diapers? Sure sound like it, hey you are even better that my dog, well almost, he learns a lot quicker than you

How funny that wisGUMPER now talks like GUMP, how funny the fraulent little chirotalker has been exposed again and again for the lies he spread in his posts

That just proves that you cannot be trusted

HaHa that funny say it again for us

Ok wisGUMPER

I thought I scared you away as you could not post anything meaningful or provide any facts or studies to back your posts up?
I exposed you for the chirotalker you are and that you could not pass the boards and like your buddies could not make it do to being to darn lazy and blaming everyone else for your failures?

But I see you are back and at your old tricks again? Putting words in peoples mouths, but come one dude you are caught again with your posts.

The Chiropractor never stated to cure immune disorders and he never stated to used your activated diaper? Dude you are exposed again for your outright lies and fraulent tactics that you learned in your indoctrination as a chirotalker you guys are a cult dude, plain and simple.

Now show us some scientific evidence that states Chiropractic adjustments do not help improve a patients immune system, come on show us. It is simple you cannot and because you cannot you keep repeating activator and diapers.

You are a good little chirotalker. Your master is teaching well, but unfortunately for you, you end up looking like a donkey with your posts

Now I want to hear you say it for us, come on you know what I am talking about, you cannot resist it, ok "YesMan"

That is a good little chirotalker diaper boy now tell us another big fish story

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa
Immmmmmmmmmmm

You lose again wisGUMPER
Wisdom

Brooklyn, NY

#7 Jun 13, 2009
Since chiroquackers cannot provide any evidence that their spring loaded clicker "activator" heals anything, it is typical for an ignorant chiropractic defender to then ask, "show me that it doesn't work".

I guess that is the "evidence" they are taught in chiroquackery school.

Yeah, prove that angels are not dancing on this pin. Cause if you can't then they must be there.

Ha ha Thank you all for posting. It more than makes my point.

Laslty, seems no chiroquacker here wants to address the chiropractic "cult" "maximixed living". A religious cult within chiropractic. Followed by chiropractors across the country. I understand the embarrassment.

You cannot trust a chiropractor. How could you?

The chiropractic diaper needs to be emptied. It needs to be cleaned up.
Wisdom

Brooklyn, NY

#8 Jun 13, 2009
Oh and ummm, "lmt", it is not "unregulated" chiropractic that claims they cure diabetes and other visceral illnesses. It is the majority of the field.

The fundamental belief held in chiropractic is that "chiropractic subluxations" cause disease.

Thats a fact. And that's fraud.

The chiropractic diaper needs to be emptied. Phew!!!
Yes Man

United States

#9 Jun 14, 2009
Gump
Just like I stated
All you can talk about is your activated diaper

You loose and I win

Exposed again for the fraud you really are

By the way I am the Chiropractic expert here and not you

Now go bug someone else
Wisdom

Brooklyn, NY

#11 Jun 15, 2009
Laslty, seems no chiroquacker here wants to address the chiropractic "cult" "maximixed living". A religious cult within chiropractic. Followed by chiropractors across the country. I understand the embarrassment.

You cannot trust a chiropractor. How could you?

The chiropractic diaper needs to be emptied. It needs to be cleaned up.
Wisdom

Brooklyn, NY

#12 Jun 15, 2009
Funny, yesboy claiming to be a chiropractic expert but can't explain any chiropractic technique.

Just like a quacker to make stupid claims.
Yes Man

United States

#13 Jun 15, 2009
You GUMP cannot explain anything but your activated diaper

Sit down you idiot

I am the Chiropractic expert
You are the propaganda expert

I put you to shame in previous posts

Then you only reponse is your activated diaper

Now go back to Chirotalker
Say hi to everyone for us
Tell them to get off their __________ you know what and get a life

For me I like owning you on these posts "It's like playing video games" (does that qoute sound familar?)

Now go get us another big fish story

By the way your have been exposed again for the fraudlent poster you truly are and you know nothing about Chiropractic and I mean nothing GUMPBOY
Wisdom

Brooklyn, NY

#14 Jun 16, 2009
Funny, yesboy claiming to be a chiropractic expert but can't explain any chiropractic technique.

Just like a quacker to make stupid claims.

Tell me again how you "exposed" me.

Ha ha

Now empty your chiropractic diaper.
YesMan

United States

#15 Jun 16, 2009
Do not listen to anything wisGUMPboy posts

Why? Because he is a chirotalker fraud

In fact he is not even a Chiropractor

The only thing he can post is what he learns about on chirotalker forums

He is a fraud that needs to be booted from here

He lies

He is a fake

All he talks about is his activatd diaper

wisGUMPboy need to confess up to the liar and fraud he really is
Wisdom

Brooklyn, NY

#16 Jun 17, 2009
Funny, yesboy claiming to be a chiropractic expert but can't explain any chiropractic technique.

Just like a quacker to make stupid claims.

Tell me again how you "exposed" me.

Ha ha

Now empty your chiropractic diaper.
LMT

Chagrin Falls, OH

#17 Jun 17, 2009
What's with your "diaper" fetish? Chiropractic has its place alongside all other proven medical modalities. If you feel you had a bad experience with a certain chiropractor, it is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to admit your mistake and find a better one. You're just trying to justify your bad judgment of practitioner by dissing the entire profession. Get over it!!!
Income question

Bend, OR

#18 Jun 17, 2009
Wisdom,
Do you just post the same thing over and over? If you can, why dont you prove us wrong. I have read alot of posts of yours, but have yet to actualy see any research to back up your claims. Get a life! Did you flunk out of chiro school and now you are mad at the people that are smarter then you? Not trying to put you down, just wanting to know why you have such an ax to grind.
nwtk2007

Lewisville, TX

#19 Jun 17, 2009
It's simple, Wisdom wanted to be a chiro but couldn't and now he's mad and got his panties all in a wad!

So he says chirpractic's diaper is full. It's just something he can relate to and misery loves company.
Wisdom

Brooklyn, NY

#21 Jun 18, 2009
Thank you nwtk, typical chiroquacker, when confronted with the fact that half of all chiropractors use a spring loaded dental instrument and claim to clock vertebrae back into place, you resort to the classic chiropractic illogical retort.

No, you don't deal with the facts you start calling names. As if I failed as a chiroquacker. He he Chiroquacker schools are filled with C students. Yup it must have been real challenging for ya mr. quacker.

But now that you mentioned it. Many many chiropractors have already left the field after they realized that it is filled with charlatans and cult leaders such as rondberg, williams and "maximized living".

Wnat to deny that too? Huh, mr "integrity"?

Stop drinking the chiropractic kool aid stupid.

And empty your chiropractic diaper.
nwtk2007

Lewisville, TX

#22 Jun 19, 2009
Deny it all you want Mr pathetic loser.

You failed at it and now you're all mad. Boo hoo.

You want people to think you are someone special. Special ed maybe. I found it pretty revealing when you previously tired to fool us into thinking you were some kind of "research scientist". But you said you were a "researcher". Right Mr Researcher.

I'm a "researcher" too. Ha Ha, too funny.

Tried to read an "research" lately? Oh I forgot, you don't read it, you just know it's no good. You should join those guys over at Science-BasedMedicine. They have a guy over there who doesn't read "research" either but he can still comment a plenty on it.

What a laugh.
Wisdom about nothing

Bend, OR

#23 Jun 19, 2009
All I ask from you wisdom is to provide some sort of research to back up your claims. 50% of chiropractors use a dental tool (you dont even know its name)? I only know a few chiropractors in my town that use it and we have over 75 in my city alone. Lets see some of your proof! Can you justify your claims, or are you just some paid spammer from the AMA? Lets see just how smart you really are. Ill bet you just reply with one of your diaper statments again.

BMJ clinical evidence handbook (put out by United health foundation) just released its latest research and now lists spinal manipulation as the most beneficial treatment for lumbar disc bulges based of all reviewed research. If you can read I would like you to tell me why this is not true and why a medical journal would list manipulation as a beneficial treatment if it was not.
bystander

Toronto, Canada

#24 Jun 19, 2009
@ Wisdom about nothing
" [BMJ].... lists spinal manipulation as the most beneficial treatment for lumbar disc bulges based of all reviewed research. If you can read I would like you to tell me why this is not true and why a medical journal would list manipulation as a beneficial treatment if it was not."

I can already give you Wisdom's response, there is usually nothing new from him.
Wisdom says:
"I do not deny that generic manipulation can have some therapeutic benefit for mechanical back pain, but generic manipulation is not chiropractic.
Dipaer, diaper, dental tool, push on C1, diaper"

Contrary to Wisdom's conspiracy theories, it is my understanding that chiropractic physicians were the first practitioners in Western medicine to use manipulation, and chiropractic is in part defined by the use of it, at least to "lay people" such as myself :)

I think Wisdom is hung up on the chiropractic physicians who claim this treatment can cure diseases such as diabetes or even cancer, also those who strive to 'close more patients' and seem to be in the profession for the $(not an issue unique to chiropractic). In this I am forced to agree with Wisdom, there seems to be alot of chiropractic physicians who do not recognize that there are limitations to their treatment. Some seem to claim that they can do far more than there is evidence, or even logic for....too bad. I steer clear of those 'doctors', and always shop around for those who understand the concepts of critical rationalism. Otherwise, I think chiropractic physicians are very useful and needed members of the greater medical team.

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