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magnets antidote homeopathics: fact or fiction?

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shehoss99

Spokane, WA

#1 Apr 17, 2010
Hello!

I am looking for individuals who have ignored the antidote warning about magnets and homepathics and used the two in conjunction (either low gauss magnets as sold by companies like Nikken, or the very high gauss negative magnets).

I have Lyme Disease with a lot of chronic pain and am treating homeopathically. I recently discovered magnets and am experimenting with both the lower and higher gauss magnets with remarkable pain alleviation. I don't want to give up my magnets!!!!!

So, I am looking for individuals who may have used both to see their actual experiences. I know I can drink coffee without antidoting, but magnets????

Perhaps there is a way to use the magnets intelligently? Say, store homoeopathics far away from magnets and do not wear magnets within a half hour either way of actually admistering the homeopathic dose?

Appreciate your thoughts,
thank you,
elizabeth
Mark

Australia

#3 Apr 17, 2010
The magnets sold as bracelets or in mattress underlays will not do anything. The permanent magnets used emit a weak static electrical field (even the high gauss ones) that will only penetrate a few mm into the skin. They are a scam relying on people misunderstanding the real magnetic treatment that uses strong pulsating magnetics to assist in knitting bones. These devices will be found in hospitals.

Here are some links:

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/...

http://quackfiles.blogspot.com/2005/04/magnet...

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4007

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet_therapy
shehoss99

Spokane, WA

#4 Apr 17, 2010
Hi--thanks so much for the links and comments.

I actually have tried the Nikken magnets and I am getting dramatic pain relief. Having had a medical bankruptcy from trying every quacky and unquacky thing under the sun to heal undiagnosed lyme disease symptoms, I know I am not prone to the placebo effect. In fact, I tried those insipid magnet products available at drug stores to no effect and resisted trying the Nikkens until a lyme friend told me about her experience with them.

I am pretty sure the Nikkens must be going at least 1/2" in given the nature of my pain.

But the stronger negative magnets I am looking into go up to 3200 gauss and are explained as having fields a couple inches deep.

From your comments, I am assuming the Nikkens are not a problem with homeopathy, but if the 3200 gauss magnets do as claimed and go 2" in, would you consider that a probably antidote?

have you taken homeopathics while on magnets and clearly not antidoted?

thanks so much for the further clarification,
elizabeth
Mark

Australia

#5 Apr 17, 2010
shehoss99 wrote:
Hi--thanks so much for the links and comments.
I actually have tried the Nikken magnets and I am getting dramatic pain relief. Having had a medical bankruptcy from trying every quacky and unquacky thing under the sun to heal undiagnosed lyme disease symptoms, I know I am not prone to the placebo effect. In fact, I tried those insipid magnet products available at drug stores to no effect and resisted trying the Nikkens until a lyme friend told me about her experience with them.
I am pretty sure the Nikkens must be going at least 1/2" in given the nature of my pain.
But the stronger negative magnets I am looking into go up to 3200 gauss and are explained as having fields a couple inches deep.
From your comments, I am assuming the Nikkens are not a problem with homeopathy, but if the 3200 gauss magnets do as claimed and go 2" in, would you consider that a probably antidote?
have you taken homeopathics while on magnets and clearly not antidoted?
thanks so much for the further clarification,
elizabeth
Everyone is subject to the placebo effect which is why medical treatments that cannot possibly work appear to work. As for homeopathy its principles were invented in 1796 before we knew much that was useful in medicine. Its basic principles such as like cures like & the more you dilute something the more powerful the effect defies both logic & physics.

For example a 30c Dilution advocated by Hahnemann for most purposes - a patient would need to consume 1041 pills (a billion times the mass of the Earth), or 1034 gallons of liquid remedy (10 billion times the volume of the Earth) to consume a single molecule of the original substance.

I know that you will say from personal experience that they have helped you. How do you know? How can you be sure that the symptoms haven't eased over time as your body has become accustomed to them? How do you know that the magnets are not slowing down the healing process?

I am not having a go at you personally. Everyone, myself included, can wrongly associate causation - its an easy thing to do.

I am guessing from your comment on medical bankruptcy that you live in the USA. I am fortunate to live in Australia where we have nationalised medical treatment that is inexpensive for everyone. Hopefully Obama can provide the same for people in the USA.
C Redd

Towaco, NJ

#6 Apr 18, 2010
shehoss99 wrote:
Hi--thanks so much for the links and comments.
I actually have tried the Nikken magnets and I am getting dramatic pain relief. Having had a medical bankruptcy from trying every quacky and unquacky thing under the sun to heal undiagnosed lyme disease symptoms, I know I am not prone to the placebo effect. In fact, I tried those insipid magnet products available at drug stores to no effect and resisted trying the Nikkens until a lyme friend told me about her experience with them.
I am pretty sure the Nikkens must be going at least 1/2" in given the nature of my pain.
But the stronger negative magnets I am looking into go up to 3200 gauss and are explained as having fields a couple inches deep.
From your comments, I am assuming the Nikkens are not a problem with homeopathy, but if the 3200 gauss magnets do as claimed and go 2" in, would you consider that a probably antidote?
have you taken homeopathics while on magnets and clearly not antidoted?
thanks so much for the further clarification,
elizabeth
Hello, Elizabeth.....

I haven't used the magnets myself so cannot answer your question from personal experience. I have never heard that magnets can antidote but to be on the safe side I would get in touch with the Nat'l Center for Hom. or maybe even a manufacturer or distributor of homeopathics like Standard Homeopathics and Boiron and ask them what their opinion would be. Also, you could simply use the magnets (I don't know how much they cost and this is a consideration) with the homeopathics and see what happens.

Thanks for the info on Nikkens. It's always great to know about these things in case of future need.

Good luck!
C Redd

Towaco, NJ

#7 Apr 18, 2010
shehoss99 wrote:
Hi--thanks so much for the links and comments.
I actually have tried the Nikken magnets and I am getting dramatic pain relief. Having had a medical bankruptcy from trying every quacky and unquacky thing under the sun to heal undiagnosed lyme disease symptoms, I know I am not prone to the placebo effect. In fact, I tried those insipid magnet products available at drug stores to no effect and resisted trying the Nikkens until a lyme friend told me about her experience with them.
I am pretty sure the Nikkens must be going at least 1/2" in given the nature of my pain.
But the stronger negative magnets I am looking into go up to 3200 gauss and are explained as having fields a couple inches deep.
From your comments, I am assuming the Nikkens are not a problem with homeopathy, but if the 3200 gauss magnets do as claimed and go 2" in, would you consider that a probably antidote?
have you taken homeopathics while on magnets and clearly not antidoted?
thanks so much for the further clarification,
elizabeth
To be more explicit in my answer, I don't know whether they would antidote or not. You mention in your first post that there is a warning that they do. I'd be curious to know who/what organization gives this warning.

Thanks!
C Redd

Towaco, NJ

#8 Apr 18, 2010
Elizabeth,

I do see a warning on abchomeopathy about exposing the remedies to magnets. You probably already know that this is a highly respected organization so is giving good information.

I'm sorry I could not provide the help you're asking for.
Rick Hammon

Bridgeport, WV

#9 Apr 19, 2014
My son had neurological Lyme in his brain and spinal fluid. He was absolutely psychotic in many ways. I could elaborate but it would take too long. He was teated at Lymestop.com and he is about 95 percent back to normal. I am in awe of the results so far. It has only been 3 weeks but he seems to be doing great. Made a believer out of me.
Rick Hammon

Bridgeport, WV

#10 May 4, 2014
shehoss99 wrote:
Hello!
I am looking for individuals who have ignored the antidote warning about magnets and homepathics and used the two in conjunction (either low gauss magnets as sold by companies like Nikken, or the very high gauss negative magnets).
I have Lyme Disease with a lot of chronic pain and am treating homeopathically. I recently discovered magnets and am experimenting with both the lower and higher gauss magnets with remarkable pain alleviation. I don't want to give up my magnets!!!!!
So, I am looking for individuals who may have used both to see their actual experiences. I know I can drink coffee without antidoting, but magnets????
Perhaps there is a way to use the magnets intelligently? Say, store homoeopathics far away from magnets and do not wear magnets within a half hour either way of actually admistering the homeopathic dose?
Appreciate your thoughts,
thank you,
elizabeth
I know this is 4 yrs later but my son has been treated in Idaho and is doing well. In fact it was almost an instant turn around but he still is detoxing. Please reply if you got ths
Ann

Howell, MI

#11 Jul 15, 2014
Rick Hammon wrote:
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I know this is 4 yrs later but my son has been treated in Idaho and is doing well. In fact it was almost an instant turn around but he still is detoxing. Please reply if you got ths
I am interested in sending my son to Lymestop. How is your son doing now that it has been a couple of months?
hesed

Wenatchee, WA

#12 Nov 16, 2016
Rick Hammon wrote:
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I know this is 4 yrs later but my son has been treated in Idaho and is doing well. In fact it was almost an instant turn around but he still is detoxing. Please reply if you got ths
Hello Rick (and son!)
This site was apparently last updated 2 years ago. I hope it's still functional.
I've been on a waiting list x 5 months for Lymestop and am filling out my current symptoms sheet right now! I've heard nothing but goodness coming out of Dr. Tony's expertise and I can't wait to start to feel alive again! I'm sooo happy for you and your son.

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