Alternative remedies 'dangerous'

Dec 23, 2010 Full story: BBC News 18

Alternative remedies can be dangerous for children and can even prove fatal, according to a study carried out in Australia.

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C Redd

Red Bank, NJ

#1 Dec 23, 2010
This is the third time in a day or two that this material has been posted here and has been thoroughly discussed in the two previous posts.

Homeopathy has been proven in studies to be as effective as conventional drugs in treating eczema but without the serious side effects those drugs are linked to such as skin cancer and lymphoma.

Please see:

"Homeopathy versus conventional treatment of children with eczema: A comparative cohort study"

www.nationalcenterforhomeopathy.org/content/h...

Or:

www.nationalcenterforhomeopathy.org/articles-... (and scroll down through the many studies evidencing for homeopathy to the study on eczema)

This article also quotes Edzard Ernst as saying that homeopathy can be life threatening when used in place of conventional drugs. This is patently a false belief given the vast volumes of clinical data over 200 years proving that it has saved hundreds of thousands of lives in tens of millions of cases and the studies published in respected peer-reviewed journals proving the same.

Edzard Ernst has often claimed to have credentials in homeopathy but admitted in a public interview that he does not.

http://elephantsandmice.wordpress.com/ (and scroll down)
C Redd

Red Bank, NJ

#2 Dec 23, 2010
Let me correct my statement "...and the studies published in respected peer-review journals proving the same" to read "....proving that homeopathy results in significant and sometimes substantial benefit when used in many adult and childhood illnesses."

It's the opinion of people who use and practice homeopathy that the only instances in which homeopathy is not effective are those times when surgery is truly needed such as repairing a congenital hole in the heart and when the body does not make needed substances such as insulin or thyroid hormone.
Mark

Canberra, Australia

#3 Dec 23, 2010
This tells is exactly how well homeopathy works on exzema:

http://www.mydigitallife.co.za/index.php...
Nancy

Minneapolis, MN

#4 Dec 27, 2010
There is nothing more dangerous to an individual than pharmaceutical drugs...one only need listen to the listing of dangerous side affects in commercials to realize the ridiculousness of so many of these drugs...death being a potential side affect of something that helps you sleep...I'll take the insomnia anyday thanks! Having used homeopathics as a layperosn for the past 16 years I can attest to their unbelievable worth. And that is the rub...the AMA doesn't like cheap competition cutting into their profit margin...this is not about helping people, this is about big time money. Homeopathy works and anyone that says it doesn't is a fraud and a liar...two centuries of documented success is enough but yet they prattle on about how dangerous and fraudulent homeopathy is yet they know nothing about it. These people are sheer evil, attempting to deny the freedom to all of us to heal ourselves - forcing us instead to take their deadly unsafe pharma drugs...this is about big cartels yet again trying to take the freedoms away from everyday citizens...leave us alone ... we don't want your help...if we do we'll let you know. There is a place for pharmaceuticals..but they are attempting to control peoples lives with them - my poor mother listened to her doctor and once a vibrant healthy 60 yr old is now on a round of 10 pharmas controling all functions of her body...it's disgusting and it's ruining her financially - shame on you AMA... you've turned everyday, well-meaning doctors into your Big Pharma Marketing Arm - the solution to everything today is a little, expensive pill... Just Say No to AMA & Big Pharma
Mark

Canberra, Australia

#5 Dec 27, 2010
There is nothing more dangerous to a person than leaving serious illness untreated - which is exactly what homeopathy does. Homeopathy is just water or sugar pills - that is it. Homeopathy has no efficacy and no plausible mechanism for it to act on a disease.

It should also be noted that homeopathy is also the product of large corporations. It is advantageous for companies to make it as it costs relatively little to make, no expensive testing or trials are required and because it does nothing patients continue to buy overpriced water and sugar pills. Homeopathy is a con.
Herbsforhealth

Beckenham, UK

#6 Feb 13, 2011
C Redd

Red Bank, NJ

#7 Feb 13, 2011
Anyone interested in more information about homeopathy, in seeing some of the studies supporting homeopathic efficacy and some of the studies discussing the science of high dilutions or who want to know why comments like Mark's are made, please see:

www.extraordinarymedicine.org
Mark

Canberra, Australia

#8 Feb 13, 2011
C Redd wrote:
Anyone interested in more information about homeopathy, in seeing some of the studies supporting homeopathic efficacy and some of the studies discussing the science of high dilutions or who want to know why comments like Mark's are made, please see:
www.extraordinarymedicine.org
These are the best trials for homeopathy? Number 5 is the discredited 'Cytotoxic Effects of Ultra Diluted Remedies on Breast Cancer Cells', a trial so poor that even one of the people involved did not want their name attached to it.

It is a hopeless trial because the control (the stuff that is meant to do nothing) killed as many cancer cells as the homeopathic preparation. The control was the same alcohol used in the homeopathic preparation less the active ingredient (well inactive ingredient in this case).

Even if the homeopathic preparation worked, this does not mean homeopathy works as there is no delivery method for it as the trial was direct application on cancer cells. Are patients supposed to cut into their bodies so they can pour the homeopathy directly onto the cancerous cells???

The following link takes you to a review of this trial and illustrates how homeopaths are clueless when it comes to science:

http://scepticsbook.com/2010/02/14/a-giant-le...
Mark

Canberra, Australia

#9 Feb 14, 2011
http://www.acsh.org/healthissues/newsID.668/h...

There is absolutely no scientific evidence that homeopathy has any objective salutary effects on conditions that are not self-limited (i.e., that do not have an inherently limited course). In other words, persons who recover from a nonpsychologic, nonpsychosomatic disorder after they have taken a homeopathic preparation are those who would have recovered without taking it. The placebo effect and that most diseases short-circuit themselves are almost certainly responsible for virtually all of homeopathy's apparent therapeutic successes. Alas, patients in distress seldom accept nontreatment unless they believe it is treatment.
C Redd

Red Bank, NJ

#10 Feb 14, 2011
There are 100's of high quality studies published in 78 respected, peer-reviewed journals showing that homeopathy works beyond placebo to significant and sometimes substantial benefit.

Anyone interested in learning more about homeopathy and/or seeing some of them will find them at:

www.nationalcenterforhomeopathy.org/articles-...

also see:

http://avilian.co.uk/
Mark

Canberra, Australia

#11 Feb 14, 2011
C Redd wrote:
There are 100's of high quality studies published in 78 respected, peer-reviewed journals showing that homeopathy works beyond placebo to significant and sometimes substantial benefit.
Anyone interested in learning more about homeopathy and/or seeing some of them will find them at:
www.nationalcenterforhomeopathy.org/articles-...
also see:
http://avilian.co.uk/
Who are the peers of homeopaths? Homeopaths and other idiots who believe in magical nonsense. Sometimes the reviewers are the same people who wrote the article! The only value a journal peer reviewed by morons has is in a lavatory.
Mark

Canberra, Australia

#12 Feb 16, 2011
Here is a response Maliks blog on "quality homeopathy trials". As can be seen homeopaths are totally clueless when doing science:

http://xtaldave.wordpress.com/2010/10/02/scie...
Mark

Canberra, Australia

#14 Feb 22, 2011
MRCP II MADE EASY wrote:
Dr Deepak Chopra is on the American comitee of FDA for Alternative medicine. Please let the experts decide. Perhaps you are angry as you Australian MD is not recognised in the USA or EU including UK despite a Queen as your monarch. You are part of Asia mate, get used to it.
How come when I google "American comitee of FDA for Alternative medicine" or even American committee of FDA for Alternative medicine I find nothing? When I search the FDA website for Deepak Chopra I find 4 comments by other people, no mention he works with them. Once again a homeopath lies to convince others of their BS.
Mark

Canberra, Australia

#15 Feb 22, 2011
Here is my opinion on 'MRCP II Made Easy'- it is a scam to sell a book about BS by titling to sound like an actual legitimate qualification, the 'Membership of the Royal Colleges of Physicians'(MRCP(UK)), a postgraduate medical diploma in the UK.

Google "MRCP II Made Easy" and all you find is spam posts in other forums. Reading these you find out the poster "stumbled" upon thgis book in a variety of libraries and that the author was a computer programmer and a Harvard physican. He studied with Bruse Lee and Tsem Tulku. Yet despite all this detail we never find out the authors name.

Finally as it is being promoted by homeopaths we can safely conclude it is probably rubbish and only useful in a lavatory.

NMG

Since: Feb 11

Baulkham Hills, Australia

#16 Feb 23, 2011
Alternative remedies are dangerous for the Big Pharma Death Corps and the retard doctors that dole the junk out because their financial holdings would decrease as more people realise the scam.
Mark

Canberra, Australia

#17 Feb 23, 2011
NMG wrote:
Alternative remedies are dangerous for the Big Pharma Death Corps and the retard doctors that dole the junk out because their financial holdings would decrease as more people realise the scam.
Why is it that every alt med site is covered with ads for overpriced bottles of water, sugar pills and often toxic substances like miracle mineral supplement and heavy metal laced ayurvedic? They are making big bucks by allowing people to remain ill.

NMG

Since: Feb 11

Baulkham Hills, Australia

#18 Feb 23, 2011
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>
Why is it that every alt med site is covered with ads for overpriced bottles of water, sugar pills and often toxic substances like miracle mineral supplement and heavy metal laced ayurvedic? They are making big bucks by allowing people to remain ill.
Well, 99% of things on the net is a scam. It wouldn't surprise me that the same people pushing the dope would stick their greedy fingers into the alternative medicine market. I haven't seen what you have described on every alt med site either.
Clinnovo

Hyderabad, India

#19 Feb 23, 2011
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