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Newly insured expected to crowd ERs | The Columbus Dispatch

There are 78 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from Aug 12, 2010, titled Newly insured expected to crowd ERs | The Columbus Dispatch. In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

Patients with or without insurance are already crowding emergency departments. The new health-reform law means more Americans will have health insurance in four years, but it doesn't ensure that they'll have a doctor to see when they have a medical problem.

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Independent

Columbus, OH

#65 Aug 12, 2010
Leave it to the Reich wing Dispatch...where the h*ll do you think they go for "healthcare" WITHOUT "insurance" ? And who picks up the tab then?

The Columbus Dispatch? The GOP or DNC? LOL

No, taxpayers do-so you may as well make health care accessible for everyone-prevention is always less expensive than the price of delayed treatment.
huh

Zebulon, NC

#66 Aug 12, 2010
Well, "Oh", lets just say this. I will respectfully bypass everything inflammatory you've just posted- about our government AND CORPORATE welfare private insurance. Its JUST NOT WORTH repeating- any of it.
I seriously doubt you would like to see your Grandmothers soc. sec and/or MEdicare, which she's actually paid INTO all these years- be 'privatized', and thus, eaten away by declining WALL STREET markets. Yes?? Thus, fair to say, its WHY we hold SS and MC in specialized accounts FAR and AWAY from the Republican run WALL STREET BANKS- that- as of late- have TANKED. State run school pension systems- included- that- sadly, too many bought into the Bush Banking system's subprime mortgage CDO swaps. Case(s) in point- Denver Public Pension Schools system, CALPERS, etc... which, ahem... are all now bleeding money thru fees due on those subprime bond funds fees- all now coming due.

I seriously doubt you want our SS and MC system to be privatized, in the same fashion. You dolt.
Oh ok wrote:
<quoted text>
And you'd rather the government dictate your health care?
This bill is an attempt to cover the costs caused by earlier gov't intrusion. Medicare, Medicaid and SS are over $100 TRILLION in debt. Most of this is due to fraud, ineptitude and mismanagement. Because, unlike business, gov't doesn't need to make money, just take it.
This is a tax being imposed with the illusion that it will make health care affordable and accessible. The true reason for it is that the gov't has wasted what it's gotten from us to date, and can't continue it's current course without more.
If you doubt it's a tax (Obama outright denied it), check out the New York Times: "In a brief defending the law, the Justice Department says the requirement for people to carry insurance or pay the penalty is 'a valid exercise' of Congress's power to impose taxes."
Independent

Columbus, OH

#67 Aug 12, 2010
Reading through the hate written all over this board against black Americans, etc. it is clear there are many uneducated people in Columbus and they are a product of not only poor health care themselves, but a broken school system. It's a real shame-they say "ignorance is bliss" but apparently ignorance also inspires hate.
Radar U

Delaware, OH

#68 Aug 12, 2010
Great,JUUUST GREAT!
Now I'll have to wait in huge lines of illegal aliens,street bums and non working deadbeats just to have the Dr tell me, "oh no,Obozo says you need THIS medication,NOT the medication you have been previously taking for 16 years".Remember,the government knows what you need more than you do!
Also...just so there's no pie slinging from anyone who lost a job and thinks I am referring to everyone.
When I say "non working deadbeats," I am referring to the people who CAN work but refuse to because it's easier to milk the welfare system.
Sam

Mcconnelsville, OH

#69 Aug 12, 2010
Radar U wrote:
Great,JUUUST GREAT!
Now I'll have to wait in huge lines of illegal aliens,street bums and non working deadbeats just to have the Dr tell me, "oh no,Obozo says you need THIS medication,NOT the medication you have been previously taking for 16 years".Remember,the government knows what you need more than you do!
Also...just so there's no pie slinging from anyone who lost a job and thinks I am referring to everyone.
When I say "non working deadbeats," I am referring to the people who CAN work but refuse to because it's easier to milk the welfare system.
And just who do you think is making the decisions about your health care now? It's your insurance company, that's who, a for-profit organization who wants more of your money. The non-working deadbeats and the poor are already in line with you. They have medicaid and SSI. The only folks this health care bill is going to help is the middle class. What do you have against them?
Oh ok

Columbus, OH

#70 Aug 12, 2010
huh wrote:
Well, "Oh", lets just say this. I will respectfully bypass everything inflammatory you've just posted- about our government AND CORPORATE welfare private insurance. Its JUST NOT WORTH repeating- any of it.
I seriously doubt you would like to see your Grandmothers soc. sec and/or MEdicare, which she's actually paid INTO all these years- be 'privatized', and thus, eaten away by declining WALL STREET markets. Yes?? Thus, fair to say, its WHY we hold SS and MC in specialized accounts FAR and AWAY from the Republican run WALL STREET BANKS- that- as of late- have TANKED. State run school pension systems- included- that- sadly, too many bought into the Bush Banking system's subprime mortgage CDO swaps. Case(s) in point- Denver Public Pension Schools system, CALPERS, etc... which, ahem... are all now bleeding money thru fees due on those subprime bond funds fees- all now coming due.
I seriously doubt you want our SS and MC system to be privatized, in the same fashion. You dolt.
<quoted text>
Although you haven't exhibited the capacity to argue as an adult, I will grant you a response...

First, I never said we should privatize SS and MC. But they were mandated, and have been run into the ground, by the gov't. Not by Wall Street. Giving gov't the reins to ALL of health care therefore seems foolhardy at best. If you found that your business accountant had stolen all of your company's funds, would you then hand him your personal accounts?

Second, I agree that those who have paid into those accounts should receive payments from same. However, while Grandma may be getting hers, don't expect to get yours. For while you may think "we hold SS and MC in specialized accounts", they have been pillaged by politicians from both parties.

You can view the dismal state of these programs at https://www.cms.gov/ReportsTrustFunds/

But to sum it up, "Social Security and Medicare Unfunded Liabilities(trillions of dollars) 2009 =$ 106.8"
Source: 2009 Social Security and Medicare Trustees Reports.

If you can come up with better numbers and/or provide convincing evidence that the gov't is capable of controlling all of health care better than they did SS and MC, please do so. But do so not as a Democrat, but as a person who, like I, will have to live with the decisions being made by politicians today that will have enormous impacts on us and our children far into the future.
You asked for it

United States

#71 Aug 12, 2010
Me calling you nuts is an understatement & the least of your worries--look over your shoulder--duck!
JAG wrote:
Call me nuts if you want. Sit down with someone from another developed country and listen to them laugh at this issue.
Remember the yes votes

Caledonia, OH

#72 Aug 12, 2010
Those in congress who voted "yes" need to be held accountable for going against the will of the majority of the people. The things in this article were/are quite predictable, but the "yes" voting congress didn't care or didn't listen. It's so easy to demand government-paid ______(fill in the blank) and have someone else pay for it (taxpayers). Now its time for the congressional "yes" voters to pay for it (in the form of losing their jobs for not listening to their constituents).
Some good news

United States

#73 Aug 12, 2010
The wait might be longer now in the ER..but for guys having their butts

checked out, the visit will now include a nice reach around. To relax ya &

take the edge off..especially when you get the bill.

Three Finger Louie
Bill

Hilliard, OH

#74 Aug 12, 2010
Where are those death panels Glenn Beck lied about. I notice he does not mention them any more. FAIL
Griefer

Columbus, OH

#75 Aug 12, 2010
I would have love to be a doctor..not for money as much as to help people..but who can afford med school?
GiveMeABreak

Loveland, OH

#76 Aug 12, 2010
Sam wrote:
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The US health care system rationed care to those who could afford it. The poor had care paid for through medicaid. The wealthier folks had health insurance or paid cash. The middle class is who got rationed out of the US health care system. Consider all those fellow citizens who lost their jobs due to malfeasance on the part of loan officers and mismanagement of Wall Street. Sure, there will be a shortage of family practice docs. We already had a shortage under the old system. Nurse practitioners and physician assistants will go a long way in reducing waits for care. Getting health care coverage for the middle class will not break the system.
When people say we've got the best health care system, to what do they refer? We have the most advanced techniques available and will take cases to the extreme as long as you pay for it. Most folks don't get those, since they can't afford them. If we look at basic health care compared to other developed nations, we rank somewehre in the 30's. We don't rank number one in basic health/sickness care since so many middle class have not had access to affordable, avaiable health insurance.
The cost of illness care is going to go up, no matter what we do. Going to a universal system will make more health care available to the middle class. When coverage is available, more folks will get care before the onset on more expensive treatment requirements. That's the arguement for lowering costs. The earlier the treatment, the less expensive the overall cost.
If you are middle class and have health insurance as a part of your salery/benefits package, don't feel too smug. As many of us have found, all they have to do is eliminate your job and you have no coverage. The new health care plan goes a long way in reducing the rationing we have had for years in this country.
We shouldn't be treating non-emergencies in the ER. If someone doesn't have a primary care doc, they should go to one of the local 'doc in a box', care centers. When hospitals stop taking non-emergency patients, there won't be such a wait in the ER. By the way, I've had to take both of my folks to the ER for pneumonia recently. There was no wait. The ER was not crowded.
This is not single-payer, universal health care - this is the larger insurance companies providing insurance with the government as the middleman. The premiums to get into the Ohio risk pool will be $500/month upward with a $1500 deductible - IF you can qualify. Poor saps paying a fortune for COBRA don't qualify. Obama himself said this would only cover 61 million - again, not universal care.
Most of all, doesn't anyone posting here read international media? As one example, Canada's system is expected to take 70% of government's budget by 2013 which, of course, is not something practical. As they begin to revamp their health care system to bring the percentage down, do you still think they'll get the same kind of care?
I'm all for reform, but Congress rammed this through without knowing anything of what they were doing. If it were truly reasonably fair reform, Congresspersons wouldn't have had to have been offered - and worse, accepted - bribes for a yes vote.
Start reading - as people are getting their rates for 2011, they are finding the premiums are skyrocketing with the insurance companies justifying the costs because there is no longer a lifetime max, no denials and picking up those under 26. If you can afford it, good for you! But for those who can't, they will be knocked out of the system and may or may not qualify for any state pools.
QUIT WASTING TAX MONEY

Columbus, OH

#77 Aug 13, 2010
Independent wrote:
Reading through the hate written all over this board against black Americans, etc. it is clear there are many uneducated people in Columbus and they are a product of not only poor health care themselves, but a broken school system. It's a real shame-they say "ignorance is bliss" but apparently ignorance also inspires hate.
Where is the hate against black Americans? I found the hate against the Somalis, hate against the gov't, hate against the insurance companies...

What did I miss?
QUIT WASTING TAX MONEY

Columbus, OH

#78 Aug 13, 2010
sorry about the double post - i apologize..
Duderino

Toledo, OH

#79 Aug 13, 2010
Remember the yes votes wrote:
Those in congress who voted "yes" need to be held accountable for going against the will of the majority of the people. The things in this article were/are quite predictable, but the "yes" voting congress didn't care or didn't listen. It's so easy to demand government-paid ______(fill in the blank) and have someone else pay for it (taxpayers). Now its time for the congressional "yes" voters to pay for it (in the form of losing their jobs for not listening to their constituents).
They did listen to their constituents, idiot. There was no majority. There were polls conducted on the subject but none of them were conclusive. Fox News had one polling company present reports that 58% of people polled were against HCR, but that poll was very narrow in its scope and targeted an anti-Obama demographic. Objective polls had the country split rather evenly on the subject.

Obama and most of the Democrats in office ran on a platform that promised Health Care Reform. I remember because it was one of the reasons I voted for him and democrats in both houses. The biggest reason I voted for him was because McCain and Sarah Palin were a disaster, but I actually supported Obama's initiatives.

My biggest problem with the reform is that the GOP didn't have the guts to participate in the discussion. They could have stepped up and offered some alternatives, but they decided to hedge their bets and get in the way. The GOPs objective all along has not been to move this country forward but to undermine the democrats so they can point fingers and try to win offices in future elections. Perhaps they are the ones who need to be held accountable in November.
Moving forward

Caledonia, OH

#80 Aug 13, 2010
Duderino wrote:
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They did listen to their constituents, idiot. There was no majority. There were polls conducted on the subject but none of them were conclusive. Fox News had one polling company present reports that 58% of people polled were against HCR, but that poll was very narrow in its scope and targeted an anti-Obama demographic. Objective polls had the country split rather evenly on the subject.
Obama and most of the Democrats in office ran on a platform that promised Health Care Reform. I remember because it was one of the reasons I voted for him and democrats in both houses. The biggest reason I voted for him was because McCain and Sarah Palin were a disaster, but I actually supported Obama's initiatives.
My biggest problem with the reform is that the GOP didn't have the guts to participate in the discussion. They could have stepped up and offered some alternatives, but they decided to hedge their bets and get in the way. The GOPs objective all along has not been to move this country forward but to undermine the democrats so they can point fingers and try to win offices in future elections. Perhaps they are the ones who need to be held accountable in November.
Your definition of moving the country forward is to make the productive people pay more and more bills on behalf of the non-productive people. If you were paying MY bills and your own, pretty soon you'd say "enough". Since you are calling names "idiot", I will label you and probably correctly: I bet you didn't pay 1 cent of federal income tax last year. You expect everyone else to pay.
Duderino

Toledo, OH

#81 Aug 13, 2010
Moving forward wrote:
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Your definition of moving the country forward is to make the productive people pay more and more bills on behalf of the non-productive people. If you were paying MY bills and your own, pretty soon you'd say "enough". Since you are calling names "idiot", I will label you and probably correctly: I bet you didn't pay 1 cent of federal income tax last year. You expect everyone else to pay.
I labeled you an idiot because you made an idiotic statement. Just because a handful of people go to a tea party doesn't mean the majority of the country feels that way. You have to broaden your view of the issue. There's no public consensus, we are split down the middle.

I pay plenty of income tax, thank you. This is such a typical uninformed response from the right. This isn't about supporting people who don't work. When I think about national healthcare (and we don't have a public option so stop pretending you're paying for anything) I think about guys who work for themselves. A buddy of mine takes home 6 figures doing construction. That's good money but he also has four kids, a house a car and his work truck. Plus he pays for his own workers' comp. After everything is said and done, he can't afford medical insurance. You think somebody making 100 grand has it made but call a broker and see how much family coverage is. He's a contractor who works for himself so he can't get group coverage.

I wonder how many people would take a gamble and open up their own businesses if they didn't have to worry about basic medical care. The cost of medical care in this country creates a dependency on group coverage and forces people to huddle under the wing of big corporations. So ideas and innovation die like grapes on an unwatered vine.

I think government health care is the key to reinvigorating the American dream. I'm all for welfare reform and making these benefits temporary for people who refuse to work, but it's not just the unemployed who can't afford medical care.

I think it's disgusting that people like you overlook them. How dare you insinuate that people who want free basic health care are freeloaders who won't work. Most of them work harder and are more productive than you could ever dream of being. You're just underestimating how expensive medical care is and how difficulte it is to find coverage.
Sam

Mcconnelsville, OH

#82 Aug 13, 2010
Duderino wrote:
<quoted text>
I labeled you an idiot because you made an idiotic statement. Just because a handful of people go to a tea party doesn't mean the majority of the country feels that way. You have to broaden your view of the issue. There's no public consensus, we are split down the middle.
I pay plenty of income tax, thank you. This is such a typical uninformed response from the right. This isn't about supporting people who don't work. When I think about national healthcare (and we don't have a public option so stop pretending you're paying for anything) I think about guys who work for themselves. A buddy of mine takes home 6 figures doing construction. That's good money but he also has four kids, a house a car and his work truck. Plus he pays for his own workers' comp. After everything is said and done, he can't afford medical insurance. You think somebody making 100 grand has it made but call a broker and see how much family coverage is. He's a contractor who works for himself so he can't get group coverage.
I wonder how many people would take a gamble and open up their own businesses if they didn't have to worry about basic medical care. The cost of medical care in this country creates a dependency on group coverage and forces people to huddle under the wing of big corporations. So ideas and innovation die like grapes on an unwatered vine.
I think government health care is the key to reinvigorating the American dream. I'm all for welfare reform and making these benefits temporary for people who refuse to work, but it's not just the unemployed who can't afford medical care.
I think it's disgusting that people like you overlook them. How dare you insinuate that people who want free basic health care are freeloaders who won't work. Most of them work harder and are more productive than you could ever dream of being. You're just underestimating how expensive medical care is and how difficulte it is to find coverage.
Well Said!

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