Should babies get chiropractic care?

Nov 11, 2009 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: KXRM-TV Colorado Springs

Dr. Ron Salvaggione, a chiropractor atA Alta Vista Chiropractics , sees patients every day of every age.

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Wisdom

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Nov 11, 2009
 
The youngest he's ever adjusted was a 2-day-old newborn named Katlyn Durham.

How utterly stupid.

Chiropractic students graduate without ever examining, diagnosing or treating truly sick patients. Most graduate NEVER having examined newborn babies. Yet they hold themselves out to be qualified to "adjust" babies?

Scary indeed.
L Baines

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Nov 11, 2009
 
Wisdom wrote:
The youngest he's ever adjusted was a 2-day-old newborn named Katlyn Durham.
How utterly stupid.
Chiropractic students graduate without ever examining, diagnosing or treating truly sick patients. Most graduate NEVER having examined newborn babies. Yet they hold themselves out to be qualified to "adjust" babies?
Scary indeed.
This empty-headed, angry man rises again. Wisdom is truly the Lying King.
Gump

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Nov 11, 2009
 
I will wisdom losses

No evidence to support claims against chiropractors

Only a Chiropractor can determine of a vaccine may cause a subluxation

Chiropractors are as qualified to examine a child as any pediatrician period

DO not let wisdom and the medical community fool you

Yes Chiropractors are primary care physicians

Yes make sure all children get checked for subluxations

Better start now and not wait until it is too late
Wisdom

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Nov 12, 2009
 
Maybe you chiropractors missed this fact.

"Chiropractic students graduate without ever examining, diagnosing or treating truly sick patients. Most graduate NEVER having examined newborn babies. Yet they hold themselves out to be qualified to "adjust" babies?"

Hmmmmm ... Tough to argue facts.
L Baines

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Nov 12, 2009
 
Wisdom wrote:
Maybe you chiropractors missed this fact.
"Chiropractic students graduate without ever examining, diagnosing or treating truly sick patients. Most graduate NEVER having examined newborn babies. Yet they hold themselves out to be qualified to "adjust" babies?"
Hmmmmm ... Tough to argue facts.
Again, and again, Mr. Liar, Wisdom, with NO credentials, purposely, and conveniently omits other facts.
Fact: No medical doctor is trained to perform open heart surgery during medical school.
Fact: Medical doctors have to take much additional training AFTER they graduate from medical school to perform open heart surgery.
Fact: Many chiropractors get a certification in chiropractic pediatrics. One example (hey, I learned how to copy and paste from Wisdom since that's ALL he knows). http://www.icpa4kids.com/seminars/

Once again I proved what a fraud, liar, and overall deceitful numbskull Wisdom is. Don't listen to this nut. He's a loser.
Wisdom

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Nov 12, 2009
 
Liar? ha ha

At least you are now saying that chiropractors graduate without any experience in treating or examining infants and newborns.

That's a start. But who is lying now when you imply that before chiroprators treat newborns they attend some icpa seminars? Hmmmm?

And who is lying now when you imply that chiropractors get real hands on experience in examining and diagnosing and treating children at the weekend "holiday inn" seminars? Hmmmmm?

I don't know about you, but no reasonable person I know would allow such an inferiorly trained person to touch, much less "adjust" their baby. Never mind the fact that their is no research to support adjusting newborns for fictitious chiropractic lesions known as "subluxations".

Before you said that the "icpa" is just a fringe chiropractic organization when I noted that even they claim that chiropractors can cure bed wetting. Now you use them to lend credibility to "your" argument.

You make my point.

But why don't you denounce as quacks, all those chiropractors who claim they can cure bed wetting. You know, the "bedwetting" which 99.9% of all kids outgrow on their own? Hmmmm?
Diggs

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Nov 12, 2009
 
I have to commend the NM board of Chiro, NM board of Pharmacy, and NM board of Medicine, as it shows that they are more concerned about patients. I think that this will spread to every state that wants it. NM giving Chiropractors prescriptive rights is a great idea.

Widsom, if I need to ever see a MD, I think that I will def be heading to NM as they are more in line with today and the racsism against Chiropractors is a thing of the past in NM

Hey did you guys know that a DC teaches MD students internal medicine at the University of New Mexico. I think NM should be crowned for making things work for the better welfare of patients.

I bet the DC at UNM school of medicine teaching internal medicince could run circles around wisdom

I hear the MD really like the guy and he is very humble person and sure knows his stuff

Wisdom when do you want to start DC college? I think that Kessinger and Barreter should also apply

Poor Botty Boy

Where is NEMO or Presto the magic numbdumb

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Wisdom

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Nov 13, 2009
 

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digger said, "I bet the DC at UNM school of medicine teaching internal medicince could run circles around wisdom"

Ummm, yeah sure.

That would be funny if it were not so stupid.

Chiropractors have NO, NADA, NONE, NEVER ever any experience in treating truly sick patients. Chiropractors have NO training in pharmaceuticals. And you think they are going to "teach" medical physicians about anything? Chiropractors can be thrown in jail if they even suggest that someone take an aspirin.

Man you chiropractors are truly delusional.
L Baines

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Nov 14, 2009
 
Wisdom wrote:
digger said, "I bet the DC at UNM school of medicine teaching internal medicince could run circles around wisdom"
Ummm, yeah sure.
That would be funny if it were not so stupid.
Chiropractors have NO, NADA, NONE, NEVER ever any experience in treating truly sick patients. Chiropractors have NO training in pharmaceuticals. And you think they are going to "teach" medical physicians about anything? Chiropractors can be thrown in jail if they even suggest that someone take an aspirin.
Man you chiropractors are truly delusional.
Wisdom, the liar, rises again! He has absolutely NO clue what he is saying. He is not an expert on chiropractic. Wisdom is a frustrated, poverty stricken loser who takes out his frustration on chiropractic. Hey, I understand. Losers MUST blame someone other than themselves for their failures. I understand. I do. I've seen his type before--usually downtown Manhatten during the Christmas season. Bums, I think they're called.
Wisdom

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Another "professional" chiropractic response.

You must be another chiropractor who claims to be a "primary care physician" who never even saw, much less examined, a truly sick patient before you graduated you scamming chiropractic school.

Hey, facts are facts. Now stop scamming innocent people.

Since: Oct 09

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Nov 18, 2009
 
Good post, complete and competent! Congratulations !
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Nov 20, 2009
 
Wisdom you clearly have no idea what you are talking about and you should read through the literature before you voice your uneducated opinion. I would like to point out that there are hundreds of peer reviewed articles that show that spinal manipulation is an effective treatment for various conditions such as low back and neck pain. So to say that they are quacks is really an uneducated thing to say because the entire health community is aware of the benefits that spinal manipulation can offer to a patient with various types of musculoskeletal pain. Also, Chiropractors are not the only health care providers to apply manipulation rather osteopaths and physical therapists also use manipulation to treat dysfunctional joints. So Wisdom please try and educate yourself before you post another inaccurate comment.
Wisdom

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Nov 20, 2009
 

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ummmm, "comment". I AM the chiropractic expert here. I am incredibly knowledgeable about the chiropractic enterprise.

So here are the facts. Chiropractors graduate without ever seeing, much less examining, diagnosing or treating babies. They have NO pediatric training or clinical experience what-so-ever. Indeed, chiropractors graduate without ever examining, diagnosing or treating truly sick patients. By definition, they are not qualified to be primary care practitioners.

Whether or not mild spinal manipulation is effective for uncomplicated low back discomfort in adults it is totally irrelevant as to whether or not these untrained chiropractors should be "manipulating" babies and infants. There is NO legitimate evidence that shows manipulation should be performed on babies. Period.

So, I stand by my term "quack", as I apply it to any chiropractor who claims that he should "adjust" babies to remove subluxations.

The chiropractic diaper needs to be emptied.
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Nov 21, 2009
 
"There is NO legitimate evidence that shows manipulation should be performed on babies. Period."

So by this comment pretty much every procedure in medicine should not be performed. Because only about 18% of the treatments that MD's perform has legitimate evidence. So therefore according to you the vast majority of medical procedures should NOT be performed. So MD's, DC's, or whatever primary care provider should just identify red flags and if the patient does not have a condition that falls under that 18% with legitimate evidence then we should just say too bad there is nothing we can do for you and send them home with no treatment.
Wisdom

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Let me be more clear. There is no evidence that manipulation should be performed on babies. NONE.

And where did you get the 18% figure from? I mean really, is that your justification for manipulating the spines of infants and babies?

And don't forget that most chiropractors graduate without any experience examining, diagnosing or treating babies and infants.

I'm guessing that fact doesn't bother you either?

By the way, I am in the medical field. What medical procedures and treatments have no legitimate evidence? Hmmmm? I'll be sure to pass your opinion on to the medical doctors I work with.
SPAM

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Nov 21, 2009
 
I may be wrong, but I would bet that very few, if any surgical procedures that are routinely performed have ever been subjected to a randomized, double-blinded, controlled trial.
Luckily for all of those who have benefited from such surgeries that RCT evidence is only absolutely required for Chiropractic and other allopathic alternative care to be considered legitimate.
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Nov 21, 2009
 
SPAM you are correct with that statement. I got that 18% figure from a speaker at a health conference she was an MD, PHD. I would say thats a pretty legitimate and unbiased source wouldn't you?
Diggs

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Nov 21, 2009
 
Wisdom stated that there are no Chiropractors at University of New Mexico school of medicine that teach medical students as he states that would be funny.

Well wisdom here it is
Jeffrey P. Schnapp DC. Dr. Schnapp is Clinical Assisitant Professor in Internal Medicine, and serves as a clinical preceptor for senior medical students (Phase III)
http://hsc.unm.edu/som/cfl/facultynstaff.shtm...
The above is the link to the FACTS that wisdom is wrong again.
This doctor Teaches at UNM med school and is on staff at UNM Center for Life

Wisdom you have to stop lying to everyone.

Get a life wisdom and stop pretending to do rounds in hospitals as your posts clearly show you are not even qualified to change bed pans in hospitals let alone be a MD/DO

Stop you lying
SPAM

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Nov 22, 2009
 
@ Diggs,
In regards to the DC teaching internal medicine at UNM med school, there are similar situations in Canada. In fact, this is becoming more common worldwide as chiropractic physicians are becoming more established as the authority on the spine.
In addition to your example, Dr. M. Erwin DC, PhD is assistantan professor in orthopedic surgery at Toronto Western Hospital, where he also does spinal research. I am pretty sure he also works with neurosurgeon and clinic director Michael Fehlings to decide who requires surgery.
SPAM

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Nov 22, 2009
 
Just for fun, here's another example:
Dr. Hebert DC, PhD holds appointments to the Department of Neurosurgery and the Department of Physical Therapy at the University of Utah where he teaches medical students.

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