Unemployed Bio teacher thinking about...

Unemployed Bio teacher thinking about chiropractic school.

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Anthony

Pittsfield, MA

#1 Feb 27, 2011
Hey

My name is Anthony. I am 25 years old. I graduated about a year ago with a BS in Biology and Secondary education. Finding a teaching job close to my family (NY) has proven to be quite difficult with no teaching experience (150 applicants for one bio teaching position in NY is quite normal).

As a child and a teen I went to a very successful chiropractor. After about 13 years of going to him my mother was diagnosed with breast cancer and survived thank god. My chiropractor told my mother at one point not to do radiation or chemo. My mother was deeply offended by this and ultimately discontinued going to him.

I have always considered the possibility of becoming a chiropractor but it seems as though my mother is flipping out overtly over the cost of school. Truth is she has a point. 120 K is not an amount of money to take lightly. But I imagine that other chiropractors had to deal with those type of loans.

I would like to know what its like to have to pay back a loan that big? Has the economy completely killed a recent graduate of chiropractor school's chance of getting hired in another practice? Ultimately I want to know if going down this path vs sticking it out as a teacher is more economical.
DrCallahan

Central Islip, NY

#2 Feb 28, 2011
Do yourself a favor Anthony. Visit the wesite chirotalk. There, you will find current and formerly practicing chiropractors willing to explain the pitfalls of becoming a chiropractor in this day and age.

Many of my colleagues have already left the field. Insurance reimbursement has declined dramatically. Trust me when I say that chiropractic school could leave you emotionally and financially drained.

Go to chirotalk. It could be the best thing you ever did.

P.S. If you could teach chemistry, you could find jobs all over the metropolitan area.
Aerial View

Buffalo Grove, IL

#3 Feb 28, 2011
Anthony,

Just like any professional school, you will have debt when you finish. But "DrCallahan's" advice about visiting chirotalk is both laughable and pathetic, most likely stemming from his own inadequacies and inability to make a living--and his "But I'm such a genius, it certainly could not have been my fault I failed. It's chiropractic's fault. Don't you see that?" Nice tantrum "Cheswick" Dr. Callagahn, "I want MY cigarettes. Mine. I don't want his cigarettes. I want MY cigarettes."
Yes, you will find disgruntled ex-chiropractors there who blame everyone but themselves for not making a living. And you'll see that failures often throw tantrums, imploring everyone to believe that it couldn't possibly have been their fault. No one on chirotalk owns up to their own failures.
How can any reasonable person say it's chiropractic's fault for them not making a living when over 20 million Americans are out of work in ALL fields! Therefore, don't become an engineer, visit 'engine-talk' and see what I mean. Don't become a computer analyst, visit 'compu-analysttalk' and see what I mean. Don't become a music teacher, visit 'musicteachtalk' and see what I mean.
You'll find failures from all professions, all walks of life. It's what YOU make of it. So don't listen to dumb ass failures who think they're doing you a big favor by steering you away from chiropractic, when in fact they couldn't hack it. "Nope, not my fault. Chiropractic screwed me over.' When a failure warns you it's simply therapy for themself.
By the way, I'm a successful chiropractor, helping tons of people and making more money than I can spend. I couldn't be happier. Chiropractic, for me, is a dream come true.
Anthony

Pittsfield, MA

#4 Feb 28, 2011
Arial View,

I would imagine that upon graduating I would want to work under someone (otherwise Id be taking out MORE loans on top of my school loans). In today's economy would you ever take on another practicing chiropractor ... further more ... what do you think the chances of being hired in today's market would be?
DrCallahan

Central Islip, NY

#5 Feb 28, 2011
That was quite an irresponsible rant "aerial".

Hard to believe that you are a chiropractor. To be so ignorant of your own field is surprising.

Be that as it may Anthony, you have been warned to reseach chiropractic from all aspects.

Chirotalk is there for you. Chiropractic school loans will bury you. But don't just trust me or the other chiropractor here.

More than 50% of my entire class from chiropractic school are in another line of work. What does that tell you? They were some fine chiropractors, if you will. They were ethical people.

Get a chemistry degree Anthony.
FYI

Toronto, Canada

#8 Mar 1, 2011
Anthony,
If DrCallahan went to "life" then I would 100% for sure believe his stats (50% of his class failed at chiro). If he went to "Life" then he might know very little about health care except "subluxations". Life college still graduates "traditional" chiros who's sole mission is to "identify and remove subluxations". Luckily, this is a minority of schools and chiropractors today. I would AVOID the schools Life, Palmer, Parker and Sherman. The style of chiropractic they teach is dying because it is inconsistent with todays culture of evidence-based medicine. These are the guys who will advise against vaccination, pharmaceuticals, etc, like your Mom experienced. This is unfortunate because we have good evidence that chiropractors can help alot of people using evidenced based therapies for many MSK conditions, these schools are doing a dis-service to their students by clinging to traditional dogma.

If you decide chiropractic is the career for you, I would advise advise CMCC in Canada, or NYCC or NUHS. These are by far the most evidenced-based and mainstream schools right now, although there are many others that are good. In Denmark and Switzerland, chiropractic is now taught in the medical universities and is considered mainstream for MSK disorders.

I have a BSc, MSc (molecular biology) and my Wife has a BSc, MSc, PhD (neuroscience). We have both returned to school to do chiropractic at CMCC in Canada, we have almost completed 3 years and have 1 to go. It is definitely a viable choice of careers in our opinions! If you are to look for info regarding chiropractic, talk to chiropractors, but make sure you ask where they graduated from, as it will heavily influence their opinion and success, etc. If you go to "ChiroTalk", be sure to consider that many chiropractors there failed at chiropractic and have a chip on their shoulder (not all, but many). Non-chiropractors who post there have a competitive interest, as physiotherapists are in competition with chiropractic to be established as MSK specialists.

If you wish, I can provide you with a complete list of schools, a fair bit of peer-reviewed literature from medical journals showing what we know chiropractors are effective at treating, and literature that describes what therapies chiropractors are using today are effective, etc.

Remember, health care (medicine, dentistry, physiotherapy, chiropractic etc) is a business just like any other, ruled by money. Always remember that ALL people giving advice have a conflict of interest.
Wisdom

Shirley, NY

#10 Mar 1, 2011
FYI, for the first time, we agree on a few things. those straight chiropractic schools that you mentioned are indeed, quack factories. Life, east and west, palmer, sherman, logan, and cleveland are at the forefront of health care quackery.

The schools you named, however, are part and parcel of the quack enterprise. Thought they attempt to be more "conservative". All those schools you mention teach quackery, though to a lesser extent than the "straight" schools you mentioned.

Whatever the case may be, those three schools that you hold out as "legit" are just a very small part of the chiropractic enterprise. An enterprise in which the foundation, the "chiropractic subluxation theory", remains as bogus today as it was when the fish monger, magnetic healer, founder of chiropractic, dd palmer started chiropractic 115 years ago.

And just because a few chiropractors don't entirely agree with the chiropractic subluxation theory, they remain in the very small majority of practicing chiropractors. indeed, the major chiropractic organizations, the ICPA, ICA,ACA, NY chiropractic council, most every chiropractic school etc etc continue to promote the bizarre notion that chiropractic subluxations cause illness and disease.

Anthony, if you stupidly decide to become a chiropractor, it won't matter what you think or what you want to believe or how you want to practice. You will be a member of a filed that is increasingly becoming dismissed as being legitimate. Insurance companies are waking up and reducing or eliminating coverage for chiropractic care. And why wouldn't they?

Today, chiropractors are claiming they can cure erectile dysfunction, ADHD, asthma, bed wetting and other conditions that could not possibly be helped by chiropractic treatments.

And while it would fit nicely into "FYI's" claim that the failures in chiropractic came from "straight" schools, either he is very ignorant of his own field or he is lying. It's quite possible that he is ignorant. he is only a student who is being fed the bull crap that all students are fed in chiropractic school.

I know plenty of NUHS and NYCC chiropractic school graduates that have left the field because of an inability to earn an honest living.

Read chirotalk Anthony. You and others who are contemplating chiropractic as a career have been warned. My pleasure.
FYI

Toronto, Canada

#13 Mar 3, 2011
Wisdom claims that chiropractors are failing...and yet the literature suggets that Chiropractic is thriving! Perhaps Wisdom is more of a propaganda expert than a Chiropractic expert?

Trends in the use of complementary and alternative medicine in the United States: 2002-2007. J Health Care Poor Underserved. 2011;22(1):296-310.

"In this study we seek to assess recent trends in complementary and alternative medicine use based on a comparative analysis of data from the 2002 and 2007 National Health Interview Survey (NHIS). The findings suggest that CAM use, in particular the use of provider-based CAM therapies such as chiropractic care, massage, and acupuncture, have grown significantly in the U.S."
Wisdom

Shirley, NY

#14 Mar 3, 2011
yada yada.

First you claim that the failures in chiropractic are form schools that teach "fundamental" chiropractic. Now you say that chiropractors are "thriving"?

Get real and get a clue.

half of all of Dr. Callahan's class has left the field.

I know hundreds of chiropractors and they all say that the field is in decline.

My waiter a few weeks ago, said most of his chiropractic class of 2007 are not even practicing. And that he, as a waiter, is making more than any of them.

Why you try to convince someone to take on more than $100,000 of student loan debt and face a lifetime of emotional and financial misery is beyond me.

"Chirotalk" for the facts about the chiropractic enterprise. It is the world's most widely read chiropractic web site. And for obvious reasons, it is despised by chiropractic schools and chiropractic quacks.

FYI, did you know that "maximized living" is one of the largest chiropractic management groups in the world? truly a cult, but look at their claims anyway ....

http://www.maximizedliving.com/Home/Maximized...
FYI

Toronto, Canada

#15 Mar 3, 2011
Wisdom, did you know that a small cohort of traditional chiros (majority being from Life college) can be failing at practice while the profession as a whole thrives

Did you know that less than 20% of chiropractors use ANY management firm, so even if Max living is the biggest...it still represents a small minority of chiropractors.

Did you know that your so-called chat with a waiter is meaningless (I am sure that you had a chat with your waiter about chiropractic, it really does sound like a true story...honest).

I know thousands of chiropractors, and they all say the profession is thriving. This is also supported by the very recent research I provided for you above. It is always nice to counter your ignorant opinions with research...it ensures everyone knows that you are full of BS :)

More propaganda from the propaganda expert! What other ignorant opinions are you going to try to push as fact Wisdom?
chirostudent

Chesterfield, MO

#17 Oct 24, 2011
I am attending National University of Health Sciences for Chiropractic Medicine. The internet is full of opinions, biases, distortions, rants, etc. Websites like chirotalk are discouraging prospective students from enrolling. Why? Well, conventional medicine tied to pharma companies are losing money to chiropractors, naturopaths, acupuncturists, and even massage therapists to name a few. Why would these businesses support professions or several professions that treat the cause of disease and show their patients how to take control of their own health rather than relying on conventional medicine for every little hiccup? I think chirotalk is supported by businesses, conventional medicine gurus, and pharma companies to scare people out of the profession. I will tell you that is my opinion. Looking at chirotalk as a consumer is silly, because how many other professions have a whole website and a few like it to discourage those from going into it? Who in the world would devote their time and money to run such websites? I think it is pharma companies and conventional medical doctors who are misled by being told what to think is right and wrong. The conspiracy of the AMA trying to rid the world of chiropractic was only back in 1993! That wasn't that long ago people. I bet these same people are going around it now and using websites such as chirotalk to continue their conspiracy. My goal as a chiropractic physician is to make sick people well. Plain and simple. Help people help themselves and give them the resources and health care to the sick so they can again take control of their life without having to rely on conspirators, greedy physicians from all types (MD, DC, DO, ND, etc). Chiropractic helps people and if anyone wants to do that they can. Don't let your confidence be shaken by conspiracy.
DrCallahan

Central Islip, NY

#18 Oct 24, 2011
Conspiracy? The "AMA"? The "chirostudent" knows not of what he speaks. Most medical docotrs don't give two hoots about chiropractic. You really have no idea what you are talking about. Sad what they are teaching you at National.

You "want to get sick people well"? That's nice. But truly a naive statenment.

The reality is that chiropractors are failing at a very high rate. I wish it weren't so.

Chirotalk is filled with factual information about what goes on in chiropractic. Saying otherwise or trying to dismiss it as "negative" is truly ignorant and shows how very little you really understand about the reality of practicing.
Washington Chiro

AOL

#19 Oct 25, 2011
DrCallahan wrote:
Conspiracy? The "AMA"? The "chirostudent" knows not of what he speaks. Most medical docotrs don't give two hoots about chiropractic. You really have no idea what you are talking about. Sad what they are teaching you at National.
You "want to get sick people well"? That's nice. But truly a naive statenment.
The reality is that chiropractors are failing at a very high rate. I wish it weren't so.
Chirotalk is filled with factual information about what goes on in chiropractic. Saying otherwise or trying to dismiss it as "negative" is truly ignorant and shows how very little you really understand about the reality of practicing.
Wisdom just chimed in again as 'callahan'. See, no one respects anything wisdom says, so he gets desperate and enlists his evil twin, callahan. Funny thing, no one respects 'cal' either. Both losers. Both liars.
Wisdom

Manhasset, NY

#20 Oct 25, 2011
ha ha Still paranoid huh mr. chiropractor.

I see you can't refute anything Dr. Callahan said with any evidence, so you call him a liar.

Ha ha Me thinks you lose.

Like Larry Bird trash talked and said, "get someone out here who can play defense against me".
Washington Chiro

AOL

#21 Oct 25, 2011
Wisdom wrote:
ha ha Still paranoid huh mr. chiropractor.
I see you can't refute anything Dr. Callahan said with any evidence, so you call him a liar.
Ha ha Me thinks you lose.
Like Larry Bird trash talked and said, "get someone out here who can play defense against me".
"Like Larry Bird trash talked and said, "get someone out here who can play defense against me".

Just more dribble from the loser, wisdom.
CODY

Anderson, IN

#22 May 10, 2012
I will try to keep this rant short. All I will say to Anthony and ANYONE else that is foolish enough to even consider Chiropractic school....just FORGET IT. If you go it will be the worst mistake of your life. Unless your father is an orthopedic surgeon willing to let you "practice" on his real patients that is....or else you are doomed to a life of quakery, salesman tactics, lies and dishonest/illegal behavior. Maybe your uncle is a PI attorney....or know folks in the Russian mob that stage car accidents I would stay far away. IT is a sham of a "profession".....I have seen it all and could write a book on what I have seen and experienced. Last time.....CLOSE all CHIRO schools.
Washtington Chiro

Buffalo Grove, IL

#23 May 10, 2012
CODY wrote:
I will try to keep this rant short. All I will say to Anthony and ANYONE else that is foolish enough to even consider Chiropractic school....just FORGET IT. If you go it will be the worst mistake of your life. Unless your father is an orthopedic surgeon willing to let you "practice" on his real patients that is....or else you are doomed to a life of quakery, salesman tactics, lies and dishonest/illegal behavior. Maybe your uncle is a PI attorney....or know folks in the Russian mob that stage car accidents I would stay far away. IT is a sham of a "profession".....I have seen it all and could write a book on what I have seen and experienced. Last time.....CLOSE all CHIRO schools.
Wisdom is now posting as "CODY". Losers, like wisdom, have to scatter when the lights come on, just like his fellow cockroaches.
Maybe wisdom is a loser, but I make a fortune each year as a chiropractor--and I get to help thousands of people. Nothing could be better. Chiropractic is the best profession. Period.
Wisdom

Williston Park, NY

#24 May 10, 2012
"Wisdom is now posting as "CODY""

ha ha Man you're getting more paranoid each day.
Washtington Chiro

Buffalo Grove, IL

#25 May 10, 2012
Wisdom wrote:
"Wisdom is now posting as "CODY""
ha ha Man you're getting more paranoid each day.
TOPIX is just one of 9 chiropractic sites wisdom posts on every day. It has to take him at least 5 hours each day to post of each of these 9 sites multiple times as he does. And he still finds time to be the head of neurosurgery at the Mayo clinic. Remarkable! he he he he FRAUD!
Wisdom

Williston Park, NY

#26 May 10, 2012
ha ha Man you're getting more paranoid each day.

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