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Florida chiropractic physicians association sells out to Big Pharma

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In a recent landmark decision the Florida Chiropractic Physicians Association voted to eliminate the word "drugless" from Florida law.

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Dr Ron Grassi DC MS

United States

#1 Sep 5, 2012
Keep in mind. Of the 1,200 deaths/ day caused by gross medical negligence 500 are due to drug errors.,JAMA. If Chiros. Can prescribe we can also get people off meds. We will always be conservitive. Also, the MD's are screaming for help in the primary care physician sector. We can fill this void with additional training. After all, we are a class of Physicians by law. That's our goal.
Cody

Cranford, NJ

#2 Sep 5, 2012
Just when you think that you've heard it all....now we hear that the FCPA is advocating pharma inclusion to be lumped into the Chiropractic "bag of tools".....to boost their bottom line.....as the profession is surely, for all intents and purposes, the "profession" is in the dumpster. Really?...Chiroquackers to prescribe drugs.....what?....after a Saturday seminar at the local Holiday Inn. Most Chiroquackers are inept at even doing what they were trained to do...move a bone....which, as I have said before.....I could teach a monkey to do......This will never come to pass. "Doc" Ron states: "If Chiros prescribe we can also get people off meds. We will always be conservative"....Really "doc" Ron......and by conservative you mean only adjusting a patient for 3X per week for a month...then reducing the "treatments" over time....like for as long as you can con the "patient" into coming back to "fix" those deathly subluxations?....A Chiropractor to "prescribe" drugs?....If the idea were not so sad and pathetic...it would be funny.....Chiropractor are not physicians/MD's....never were...never will be..no matter what white clinic jacket or stethoscope you wear in the offce. Hopefully you and your loved ones will never need real medical intervention needed heart surgery, or meds to control diabetes, hypertension etc etc.....or ER intervention......sadly that will never be the case. Stop the MD bashing.
Ex. Chiro.....and glad to be out of it.
Exposing Cody The Liar

Buffalo Grove, IL

#3 Sep 5, 2012
Cody wrote:
Just when you think that you've heard it all....now we hear that the FCPA is advocating pharma inclusion to be lumped into the Chiropractic "bag of tools".....to boost their bottom line.....as the profession is surely, for all intents and purposes, the "profession" is in the dumpster. Really?...Chiroquackers to prescribe drugs.....what?....after a Saturday seminar at the local Holiday Inn. Most Chiroquackers are inept at even doing what they were trained to do...move a bone....which, as I have said before.....I could teach a monkey to do......This will never come to pass. "Doc" Ron states: "If Chiros prescribe we can also get people off meds. We will always be conservative"....Really "doc" Ron......and by conservative you mean only adjusting a patient for 3X per week for a month...then reducing the "treatments" over time....like for as long as you can con the "patient" into coming back to "fix" those deathly subluxations?....A Chiropractor to "prescribe" drugs?....If the idea were not so sad and pathetic...it would be funny.....Chiropractor are not physicians/MD's....never were...never will be..no matter what white clinic jacket or stethoscope you wear in the offce. Hopefully you and your loved ones will never need real medical intervention needed heart surgery, or meds to control diabetes, hypertension etc etc.....or ER intervention......sadly that will never be the case. Stop the MD bashing.
Ex. Chiro.....and glad to be out of it.
Cody "The Liar" and admitted loser (says he failed in practice and now rats on successful chiropractors) does not know anything about chiropractic education. Either cody is the world's biggest liar here, or he is purposely deceptive. I don't know which is worse.
Cody flat out lied, since he is a liar, about chiropractors taking a "weekend Saturday course at the Holidy Inn" to prescribe drugs.
Again, cody is a liar. He can do nothing but lie. That's what angry losers do--they lie. Just like cody ALWAYS lies.
National University of Health Sciences offers a two year master's degree program in Advanced Practice for chiropractors wishing to expand their scope. They get hands-on hospital experience seeing hundreds of patients. http://www.nuhs.edu/academics/college-of-cont...

Anyone who believes "Cody the Liar" is a chump. Remember, cody said himself he failed in practice--then with the other side of his mouth he said he made a fortune in chiropractic during the 'mercedes 80's' when insurance money was 'easy pickens'. Now he says he testifies against successful chiropractors out of his 'moral integrity'. Man, when a liar like cody gets on a roll, look out!
Cody

Cranford, NJ

#4 Sep 5, 2012
Exposing Cody The Liar wrote:
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Cody "The Liar" and admitted loser (says he failed in practice and now rats on successful chiropractors) does not know anything about chiropractic education. Either cody is the world's biggest liar here, or he is purposely deceptive. I don't know which is worse.
Cody flat out lied, since he is a liar, about chiropractors taking a "weekend Saturday course at the Holidy Inn" to prescribe drugs.
Again, cody is a liar. He can do nothing but lie. That's what angry losers do--they lie. Just like cody ALWAYS lies.
National University of Health Sciences offers a two year master's degree program in Advanced Practice for chiropractors wishing to expand their scope. They get hands-on hospital experience seeing hundreds of patients. http://www.nuhs.edu/academics/college-of-cont...
Anyone who believes "Cody the Liar" is a chump. Remember, cody said himself he failed in practice--then with the other side of his mouth he said he made a fortune in chiropractic during the 'mercedes 80's' when insurance money was 'easy pickens'. Now he says he testifies against successful chiropractors out of his 'moral integrity'. Man, when a liar like cody gets on a roll, look out!
Mr. Doc Washboy.....at least have the balls to post under your usual moniker... fraud that you are.
I never failed in practice, now retired.....and I can still teach a monkey how to move a vertebrae....for crying out loud.....someone even (supposedly) even showed you.....but you prefer the "clicker" Activator..no?.......and cold laser for all of your deep wound "patients" that the medical field failed....Sure...tell us more "doctor"........You probably walk around with a stethoscope and white jacket too ....right "Doc"....At least when I practiced it was musculoskeletal based....and not some pseudo wanna be MD fraudulent behavior and tactics that are so prevalent in the Chiro field today. The truth kind of hurts eh. Doc Washboy?...Now get back to your $5 tip jar adjustments and cold laser.....too funny.
Wisdom

Great Neck, NY

#5 Sep 5, 2012
Cody, I enjoy you exposing this chiropractor "exposing" as just another quack. Posting under another name is so typical of these frauds.

The "national" program that he talks about is slowly becoming just another money making useless chiropractic program. The hope was that those graduates would be able to go to New Mexico and prescribe just like PAs, NPs, DOs and MDs. They were denied that opportunity by the NM medical society who exposed chiropractic "training" as pathetic.

And really, this quack "dr. ron" claims that chiropractors are conservative? ha ha ha ha ha What planet is he living on. Better yet, he's just another quack who is full of crap. The most widely used chiropractic technique is the activator. A spring loaded clicker which has basically NO evidence to support its use. These quacks wouldn't know what an "evidenced based" practice is if it smacked them in the head.

Cody, I recall the first chiropractor I went to work for after graduating chiropractic school. Every patient was treated at first ...Every day for 2 weeks, 3 x per week for 4 weeks, 2 x times per week for 6 weeks then once per week for 8 weeks, then of course the "maintenance" visits ... once per month for life. No matter what the patients condition was.

Chiropractors are a bizarre bunch indeed.
Wisdom

Great Neck, NY

#6 Sep 5, 2012
On a follow up, I see that this "dr. ron" already claims to practice ... "chiropractic medicine".

Ummm dro. ron, that is baloney, you do not use "medicine". You are a chiropractor.

I love it when chiropractors first bash "medicine" and then use the term "medicine" in their title to appear more legitimate.

I also see that "dr. ron" attended some seminars at logan chiropractic school. A school that teaches "logan basic" as its premier chiropractic treatment.

Logan basic is a bizarre chiropractic "treatment" in which chiropractors lower the pants of their "patients" and hold pressure near the anus as a way to "heal" them of their conditions.

Oh, and NO evidence to support its use. Geee what a surprise.
Exposing Cody The Liar

Buffalo Grove, IL

#7 Sep 5, 2012
I'm glad cody finally admitted he's been lying all along. That's the first step for a full recovery.
Good boy! Atta boy! Nice job!! Ciao!!!
Wisdom

Great Neck, NY

#8 Sep 5, 2012
Let's see now. This quack above is now using the name" exposing", first he posted under the name "fraud", then it was "aerial", then it was "washington chiro". He has claimed to cure "deep wounds", adhd and eczema. He also claimed that chiropractors already have the rights to prescribe pharmaceuticals.

So dr. ron, is this a quack chiropractor you want to have prescription rights?

If he is, you are just as looney as he is.

Dr. ron, tell me all about those thousands of chiropractors who promote the bizarre belief that subluxations cause disease and who use unfounded treatments like activator, nucca, gonstead, dnft, ak and network to "locate and remove those subluxations".

dr. ron, you and chiropractic are in NO position to even think about the right to prescribe. Chiropractic needs to be shut down.
Cody

Cranford, NJ

#9 Sep 5, 2012
Dr Ron Grassi DC MS wrote:
Keep in mind. Of the 1,200 deaths/ day caused by gross medical negligence 500 are due to drug errors.,JAMA. If Chiros. Can prescribe we can also get people off meds. We will always be conservitive. Also, the MD's are screaming for help in the primary care physician sector. We can fill this void with additional training. After all, we are a class of Physicians by law. That's our goal.
Sorry Ron, but as I read your post I find it a bit much.
..."We can fill this void with additional training".......talk about a scary thought.......Chiroquackers prescribing drugs.....it will never happen...so all you Quacks out there ....don't hold your breath.....
Don't you just love that term; "Chiropractic Physician".......what a misnomer if there ever was one.

..."The M.D.'s are screaming for help in the primary care physician sector".......Sure "Doc" Ron .....and they want Chiroquackers to join their ranks. Just how naive are you....just out of LIFE or some other Quack Mill "school"........wake up.....and stick to clicking and cracking, distracting and all the other BS.
Exposing Cody The Liar

Buffalo Grove, IL

#10 Sep 5, 2012
Dr Ron Grassi DC MS wrote:
Keep in mind. Of the 1,200 deaths/ day caused by gross medical negligence 500 are due to drug errors.,JAMA. If Chiros. Can prescribe we can also get people off meds. We will always be conservitive. Also, the MD's are screaming for help in the primary care physician sector. We can fill this void with additional training. After all, we are a class of Physicians by law. That's our goal.
Dr. Ron, I would take anything cody says with a grain of salt. He's not credible. Not only isn't cody credible, he's a liar and an admitted rat--says he testifies against successful chiropractors out of his 'moral integrity,' when in fact he hinted he made a ton of money during the 'mercedes 80's' when insurance money was 'easy pickens'. No wonder he doesn't use his real name here.
Cody just flat out lied about chiropractic education. Flat out lied. If he doesn't know he lied, then he's the biggest idiot giving 'advice' out there.
National University of Health Sciences in Lombard, IL has a two year Advanced Practice Master degree program for chiropractors who want pharmaceutical training.http://www.nuhs.edu/a cademics/college-of-continuing -education/masters-degrees/adv anced-clinical-practice/ This program has hands-on in the hospital training seeing hundreds of patients. The liar cody said it was a weekend course at the Holiday Inn. Then again, cody is a liar, so what did you expect. Again, cody flat out, yes FLAT OUT lied to you and thinks nothing about lying right to your face. That's the sort of advice he offers.
Watch, cody will now respond with more lies. He'll try to cover up the first lie--too late. It's already starting to stink.
Palmer Graduate

Albany, GA

#11 Sep 5, 2012
What hospital do these Chiropractors train at to get their "hands on experience"?
Wisdom

Great Neck, NY

#12 Sep 5, 2012
"expose", get lost. You already claimed that you can cure deEp wounds and that surgeons send you their failed wound care patients. You are an idiot.

Palmer grad, where did you get your clinical experience? Where did you receive your cardiac, pediatric, asthma, wound care, and neuro rehab clinical training?
Exposing wisdom The Liar

Buffalo Grove, IL

#13 Sep 5, 2012
Wisdom wrote:
"expose", get lost. You already claimed that you can cure deEp wounds and that surgeons send you their failed wound care patients. You are an idiot.
Palmer grad, where did you get your clinical experience? Where did you receive your cardiac, pediatric, asthma, wound care, and neuro rehab clinical training?
he he he Wisdom admitted that he failed as a chiropractor while I'm a huge success, and he's calling ME an idiot! he he he he
Thank god for MD's. if it weren't for their failures, I wouldn't be so busy. Yes, I do get a LOT of wound patients who did not heal while under the care of their MD. Oh, they tried. Believe me the MD's tried. They tried real hard, and billed a lot of money. But those wounds would not heal. Cold laser therapy rocks! There is no greater feeling than seeing a wound patient heal when they did not get results at the hospital or at their MD's clinic. Funny, the MD's are grateful I was able to help these patients. These patients still see their MD's for other ailments. I encourage that.
I can't help it if wisdom failed in practice. He's an idiot. I don't know what his problem is--other than he was a lousy chiropractor and didn't have the brains to run an office. Not that tough, but wisdom couldn't do it. He said so himself. That by itself doesn't make him a fraud (which he is anyway since he lies so much)--it just makes him a failure.
Rod Lacy MD DC CEO FCPA

Santiago, Dominican Republic

#14 Sep 6, 2012
It looks like the audience here is on the other side of the aisle and has no room for advanced training in their bag of tools. The FCPAA (The National Association)has almost 2,000 affiliated members and 11 individual state associations under its umbrella. Obviously the FCPAA and the FCPA and the other 9 associations are not the minority any more. How many of you run to the med cabinet when you have a headache and how many of you bill the highest you can for an insurance case? Relax if you have prescriptive rights it also means you can remove your patients from the harmful drugs too. We all love chiropractic and the knowledge that the body heals itelf when given the chance. What we do not love is the restriction placed on us everyday from non-advanced practitioners. How about natural IV therapy? There is more to natural health than adjusting. You would know that if you were an advanced practitioner. What if vitamins were made prescriptive? To limit yourself is nuts. Rod FCPAA/FCPA CEO.
Wisdom

Great Neck, NY

#15 Sep 6, 2012
Ummmmm "rod" .... chiropractors here in the U.S. engage in bizarre and unfounded "treatments" like activator, nucca, gonstead, ak and logan basic.

Far too many innocent and desperate people are being ripped off by these charlatans. It needs to stop.

I do notice that the original poster, chiropractor ron grassi, seems to have disappeared. That's too bad.
Dr Ron Grassi DC MS

Ocala, FL

#16 Sep 6, 2012
Wisdom wrote:
On a follow up, I see that this "dr. ron" already claims to practice ... "chiropractic medicine".
Ummm dro. ron, that is baloney, you do not use "medicine". You are a chiropractor.
I love it when chiropractors first bash "medicine" and then use the term "medicine" in their title to appear more legitimate.
I also see that "dr. ron" attended some seminars at logan chiropractic school. A school that teaches "logan basic" as its premier chiropractic treatment.
Logan basic is a bizarre chiropractic "treatment" in which chiropractors lower the pants of their "patients" and hold pressure near the anus as a way to "heal" them of their conditions.
Oh, and NO evidence to support its use. Geee what a surprise.
Medicine is a generic term that belongs to no one disipline. That is Florida Law interpretation of the term. Argue with The Governor. Logan is an accredited educational Institution sanctioned by the same organization that credentials all the Colleges & Universities in The US. I took 100 hrs. Post Grad Certification Sports Medicine Physician. Have treated many professional athletes successfully. No one is MD bashing. Just listed a fact out of JAMA. Journal of The American Medical Assn. their own journal. I love MD's. I refer to them, them to me. I have hired and worked for many. You need to write to all the Judges and tell them they were wrong when they qualified me as an Expert Witnes in Chiropractic Medicine in over 7 States. Oh and don't forget to tell The American College of Forensic Examiners that they were stupid when they bestowed upon me Fellow & Diplomate Title in Forensic Medicine.
Dr Ron Grassi DC MS

Ocala, FL

#17 Sep 6, 2012
See above.
Dr Ron Grassi DC MS

Ocala, FL

#18 Sep 6, 2012
Wisdom wrote:
Ummmmm "rod" .... chiropractors here in the U.S. engage in bizarre and unfounded "treatments" like activator, nucca, gonstead, ak and logan basic.
Far too many innocent and desperate people are being ripped off by these charlatans. It needs to stop.
I do notice that the original poster, chiropractor ron grassi, seems to have disappeared. That's too bad.
I'm Ba-aaak ! Just can't believe this juvenile, unprofessional conduct. Man you got issues. Please stay away from AK-47's, movie theaters and schools. Once again. You have to take it up with The Governor of The State of Florida and The Board of Medicine & The Department of Health. You need to express your concerns and tell them their nuts and crazy and they don't know what their doing when they say and make Law things like : Chiropractors are a class of Physicians. Therefore, Chiropractic Physicians. And : Medicine is a generic term which belongs to no one discipline of the healing arts and sciences. And: Chiropractors have plenary diagnostic authority (plenary means unrestricted). Geeeze, they must trust us and think we are smart enough to diagnose just about anything in Humans and recognize and responsibly refer out to the appropriate specialist what is not our domain or scope of practice.. I guess they think those "Quiropractors" out there are "Edumocated" < Your language you can relate to. Please call Tallahassee tomorrow and straighten them out because you are the self appointed know it all. Like a legend in your own mind.
You know what. I bet we can even keep fooling Tallahassee to keep trusting and respecting us to expand our scope of practice It's been working like a charm over the past 60 yrs. You better hurry and warn them were coming in like a cat. 5 hurricane for practice expansion rights and privileges and not be so neiva and gullible this time around.....FCPA and it's 12 other sister State Associations Walk The Talk...How bout' you ?
Dr Ron Grassi DC MS

Ocala, FL

#20 Sep 6, 2012
Wisdom wrote:
Let's see now. This quack above is now using the name" exposing", first he posted under the name "fraud", then it was "aerial", then it was "washington chiro". He has claimed to cure "deep wounds", adhd and eczema. He also claimed that chiropractors already have the rights to prescribe pharmaceuticals.
So dr. ron, is this a quack chiropractor you want to have prescription rights?
If he is, you are just as looney as he is.
Dr. ron, tell me all about those thousands of chiropractors who promote the bizarre belief that subluxations cause disease and who use unfounded treatments like activator, nucca, gonstead, dnft, ak and network to "locate and remove those subluxations".
dr. ron, you and chiropractic are in NO position to even think about the right to prescribe. Chiropractic needs to be shut down.
Every profession has its bad apples. We got OB/Gyn's out there tattooing their names inside vaginas and performing circumcisions on clitoris w/o permission. They can never have sex again. Too painful. Neurosurgeons injecting bacteria into brains to see if it can stop brain tumors and die of septicemia. Again w/o authorization. Compare apples to apples. Part of why we will Rx is because it subsequently gives us the authority to also eliminate some of these meds from a patients diet. Meds are not a food group. I don't know anyone who suffers from a deficiency of Lipotor or Oxycontin. The avg. 60 yr. old devours 5 meds a day. The Pharm is luvin' it. And notwithstanding that we still have one of the crapy'st mortality/ morbidity rates of developed Countries. We don't want to be part of the problem but part of the solution.
Exposing wisdomThe Liar

Buffalo Grove, IL

#21 Sep 6, 2012
Rod Lacy MD DC CEO FCPA wrote:
It looks like the audience here is on the other side of the aisle and has no room for advanced training in their bag of tools. The FCPAA (The National Association)has almost 2,000 affiliated members and 11 individual state associations under its umbrella. Obviously the FCPAA and the FCPA and the other 9 associations are not the minority any more. How many of you run to the med cabinet when you have a headache and how many of you bill the highest you can for an insurance case? Relax if you have prescriptive rights it also means you can remove your patients from the harmful drugs too. We all love chiropractic and the knowledge that the body heals itelf when given the chance. What we do not love is the restriction placed on us everyday from non-advanced practitioners. How about natural IV therapy? There is more to natural health than adjusting. You would know that if you were an advanced practitioner. What if vitamins were made prescriptive? To limit yourself is nuts. Rod FCPAA/FCPA CEO.
Rod, you are exactly right. I recognize you as a real expert here, not some fraud, wannabe expert like 'wisdom' who says he failed as a chiropractor and lied about being an MD. You are the real deal. I applaud your work and insight. Wisdom is no expert. He'd be lucky to sell you a latte at Starbucks.
Again, keep up your fine work. I agree with everything you said.

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