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Chirorookie

Hamilton, Canada

#1 Mar 7, 2011
I am choosing a school between NYCC and Palmer.

Any thoughts to what school to choose and why?

NYCC has an acupuncture program would that make NYCC better?
Aerial View

Buffalo Grove, IL

#2 Mar 7, 2011
Chirorookie wrote:
I am choosing a school between NYCC and Palmer.
Any thoughts to what school to choose and why?
NYCC has an acupuncture program would that make NYCC better?
Both schools are excellent. But like you said, if you want a stronger foundation in acupuncture, than NYCC.
One word of caution, and it's not about those schools. It's about a poster here who calls himself 'wisdom'. This poster is bitter and posts angry rants about chiropractic, mostly lies. He will try to dissuade you from chiropractic since he can't make a living. No, he's not a chiropractor or an MD. In fact he admits he has no professional education, but he brags about how many chiropractic meetings he's attended and that he's an 'expert' which is laughable. Wisdom has even called nurses 'quacks'. Not kidding. He called nurses 'quacks'.
So when you see the poster wisdom chime in on your question, ignore him. He's no expert.
Most chiropractors, like myself, are doing very well. It is a joy to go to work in the morning and help so many people and get paid as well as I do. I'm the luckiest guy in the world to have found chiropractic. You will do well.
Wisdom

Greenport, NY

#3 Mar 7, 2011
Read this carefully "chirorookie".

If you make the decision to pursue chiropractic as a career, it will be the mostly costly mistake you could ever make, It would most likely lead you to a lifetime of financial and emotional misery.

First, many many chiropractors are or have already left the field because of an inability to make an honest living.

Second, the chiropractic enterprise is rife with fraud. It is populated with chiropractors who engage in ineffective and bizarre treatments. Do some chiropractors attempt to be ethical? Maybe, but even those chiropractors over-treat. And reimbursement from insurance companies has been diminished or eliminated.

Now, the important part of my message. Many chiropractors post here and call me names. Do yourself the biggest favor you could possibly do ..... go to "chirotalk", the finest website about chiropractic. I have nothing to do with chirotalk. It is administered by practicing and formerly practicing chiropractors, MDs, RNs who were formerly chiropractors, PAs who were formerly chiropractors and others. They are very open to any questions. Find out for yourself the truth about chiropractic.
Wisdom

Greenport, NY

#4 Mar 7, 2011
Aerial claims he's a licensed chiropractor. His infantile posts should give you a hint about what you can expect from a typical chiropractic colleague. Calling me names is about what you can expect from him and other chiropractors who post at "topix".

Never the less .....

Chirotalk .... it could be your best medicine.
Wisdom

Greenport, NY

#5 Mar 7, 2011
Oh I see "rookie" has already visited "chirotalk".

And I see he is a bit arrogant. In his attempt to dismiss the opinions of posters at chirotalk he called them "chiro haters".

That is not a rational argument Indeed, "rookie", that kind of name calling is an example of an illogical fallacy.

Like they told you at chirotalk, it don't really matter which chiropractic school you choose.

You have been warned. Its your money and your life. And idiots like "aerial" will be your colleagues.
Chirorookie

Hamilton, Canada

#6 Mar 7, 2011
Thanks Aeriel who cares about wisdom, I dont need to talk about him.

How much more time does it take to get the additional acupuncture part?

It seems like Wisdom loves attention, if you give more to him he writes alot. So best is to ignore him.
Aerial View

Buffalo Grove, IL

#7 Mar 8, 2011
Chirorookie wrote:
Thanks Aeriel who cares about wisdom, I dont need to talk about him.
How much more time does it take to get the additional acupuncture part?
It seems like Wisdom loves attention, if you give more to him he writes alot. So best is to ignore him.
It's best to ask NYCC about their acupuncture course and also find out what your state's/country requirements are before you enroll in any course. I see you're from Canada. I would research their laws first.
In the US, each state has its own requirements for practicing acupuncture if you're already a licensed chiropractor. Some require you to be an acupuncturist with years of additional training. Some require courses that take several months or a year. First find out what you need.
Acupuncture has been a great asset to my practice. I use it mostly to assist in pain relief, but there is so much more you can do if you take it to its highest level. That takes years of experience.
What did I tell you about 'wisdom'. As he even admits, he hangs around 'chirotalk' which is known as "the loser's water cooler."
If you want to feel good about yourself, visit chirotalk once in a while. You'll be so happy you're not part and parcel of their loser mindset. There you'll see angry, frustred people who failed and want you to fail as well. But these poor folks would have failed in anything they did. You'll also notice it's 'never their fault' and that 'chiropractic screwed them over'. Yeah. It's the same as if a failed lawyer said, "Not my fault, the law screwed me over." Chirotalk is where losers unite. But uniting like they do, does not make them stronger less of a loser. It's like this: If you have a swimming pool, and a zombee jumps in, then a minute later two more zombees jump in, it doesn't increase the total IQ of the pool. You just have three zombees in the pool. That's chirotalk.
I enjoy a practice, successful beyond my wildest dreams. And I'm the small fish in the ocean! There are chiropractors in my area who see double the patients I do and make double what I do.
I'm the luckiest guy in the world to have found chiropractic. You'll feel the same way to. You'll see.
Been There

Saint Paul, MN

#8 Mar 8, 2011
Rookie-

Forget Wiz- he is an irrelevant buffoon.

In order to best answer your query, Let me ask you a few important questions:

1- It appears you are from Canada. CMCC is an excellent school. Have you considered CMCC? Why? Why not?

2. Why have you concluded: NYCC or Palmer? Based upon what?

3- What is your educational background?

4- Where do you plan to reside/practice after graduation?

5. What is your vision? Why?
Wisdom

Greenport, NY

#9 Mar 8, 2011
"been there", I like the name calling. You must be a chiropractor. Much in line with the juvenile posts written by your colleague chiropractor aerial.

Seems you fellas despise the truth. that's too bad.

"rookie", please do go to chiropractic school. One as ignorant as you should be taught a life lesson. you were warned.

I'm guessing "rookie" will make a good chiropractic student. Never questioning. Always accepting whatever bull crap he is fed. An activator chiropractor in the making.

I sit back and laugh.
Chirorookie

Hamilton, Canada

#10 Mar 8, 2011
So the reason I choose NYCC is because it's close to where I live, and palmer offers 20% discount to canadian students.

These might not be good reasons to choose a school because I chose it based on location and money, but that is why I ask opinions about where to go.

I will still apply to CMCC but I just in case I don't make it I will have to choose schools in the states.
I want to practice in Canada after graduation, as I heard the situation of chiropractic is a little better here (?)
I have a bachelor degree in Kinesiology.
I don't know my vision yet, but I find that I will enjoy doing acupuncture along with chiropractic. But I heard in Canada we don't need a masters of acupuncture but only need a few months course to get it.

A few people I heard from is that NYCC is better. But what do you think?

Aerial View

Buffalo Grove, IL

#11 Mar 8, 2011
Chirorookie wrote:
So the reason I choose NYCC is because it's close to where I live, and palmer offers 20% discount to canadian students.
These might not be good reasons to choose a school because I chose it based on location and money, but that is why I ask opinions about where to go.
I will still apply to CMCC but I just in case I don't make it I will have to choose schools in the states.
I want to practice in Canada after graduation, as I heard the situation of chiropractic is a little better here (?)
I have a bachelor degree in Kinesiology.
I don't know my vision yet, but I find that I will enjoy doing acupuncture along with chiropractic. But I heard in Canada we don't need a masters of acupuncture but only need a few months course to get it.
A few people I heard from is that NYCC is better. But what do you think?
It's great practicing chiropractic ANYWHERE. I'm having a ton of fun. I really would do it for free if I didn't have to make a living. That being said, I'm making a great living as a chiropractor. I am the most grateful person in the world to have found chiropractic as a career.
FYI

Toronto, Canada

#12 Mar 8, 2011
Students at CMCC have 2 immediate options for acupuncture training.

Option 1: There is an acupuncture course offered through CMCC during students 4th year of study that involves 250 hours of training split about 50/50 between traditional chinese medicine acupuncture and contemporary medical acupuncture.

Option 2: McMaster medical school (in Hamilton) offers an acupuncture course to medical
professionals and senior students that involves 300 hours of training split 20/80 between TCM acupuncture and contemporary medical acupuncture. As at CMCC, this program is available to CMCC students in their final (4th) year of study.

Both acupuncture programs described provide students with the requirements to be licensed and insured to perform acupuncture in Canada.

Finally, in my opinion, The quality of the acupuncture training is a poor reason for choosing a chiropractic college! If acupuncture is your primary love, go to TCM school. Acupuncture is only one modality to add to a complete "tool set" of manual therapies. CMCC graduates have a higher passing rate for Canadian board exams and CMCC is far more research oriented and progressive than most American colleges. These are a couple reasons why staying in Canada was a better choice FOR ME. If you cannot get in to CMCC then I would suggest NYCC before Palmer. However, my first choice of American schools (based on the info I have provided) would be National University of Health Sciences. It is, in my opinion, a very progressive and evidence/research based institution. NYCC is also pretty good. Palmer is lower on my list of progressive schools, but it is certainly not the worst.
Chirorookie

Hamilton, Canada

#13 Mar 8, 2011
awesome ! the post from the Toronto guy was so helpful..

Do you know if when I come back to canada to practice, would clinics or employers consider CMCC grads over US grads because it is a better school?

What do you think?

Also, I have heard about the Mcmaster acupuncture program.

Acupuncture is just what I want to add in to my chiro practice. Do you know how long the one at Mac is?

250 hours would be around 4 months?
FYI

Toronto, Canada

#14 Mar 8, 2011
Chirorookie,
Most often chiropractors are their own boss, although some work as a paid professional for an hourly wage in a clinic run by someone else. However, as I said, most chiros are self employed, either practicing out of their own clinic, or associating with another chiropractor. This means renting a room and staff from another chiro (they are their own boss, with their own patients, but they rent a room from another chiro to practice rather than open their own clinic). Anyways, the point is, there is no-one to have a preference for what school you went to...the only boss is/are the patients. If you are effective at keeping them out of pain it wont matter what school you went to.

I have looked up the details for you. The McMaster acupuncture program is 300 hours and the CMCC program is 275 hours. They are both designed for medical professionals to take, thus are during 'off hours'. CMCC runs one program per year that takes 10 regular weekends (Sat-Sun). McMaster runs 2 programs per year, one spring, one fall, that take 5 long-weekends (Fri-Sat-Sun). Thus, either one would be completed during your fourth year of study during your weekends over about a 3 month stretch.
Chirorookie

Hamilton, Canada

#15 Mar 8, 2011
Thanks so much !!
So with the rising number of chiros in Canada and in the US, it will be only competitive from now on right?

That's going to be a big challenge...

How much do clinics give to new grads an hour?

Is full time position common? I think I will be happy earning 35-40 an hour right after school for full time. Whats the reality out there?
Chirorookie

Hamilton, Canada

#16 Mar 8, 2011
Hey I looked at the TCM program, which school is the best for that? Do they make decent living?
FYI

Toronto, Canada

#18 Mar 9, 2011
The reality is that most chiros dont work by the hour for a clinic (as I said), most work for themselves. Those few that do work for a clinic can earn anywhere from $30-$70 per hour, but I would expect the low end of that for a new grad.

I cant give you much info on TCM, as I have no interest in it. In my opinion it on based on tradition and dogma and not any science. The components that have any validity have been adapted for use by mainstream medicine, chiropractic, physiotherapy, etc (eg: acupuncture). All I know is that it is still a 4 year doctoral program, but I have no idea what the curriculum is like nor what the public demand is.
Wisdom

Greenport, NY

#19 Mar 9, 2011
The waiter that served me several weeks ago was a chiropractor who graduated NYCC~2 years ago.

This waiter is making more than any of his classmates and very few of his classmates are engaged in gainful chiropractic employment. Those classmates of his who are working are making less than $30,000 per year.

$70 per hour? ha ha ha You're dreaming.

But like I said before, one as arrogant and as foul mouthed as you should go ahead and enroll in chiropractic school, get $120,000 into student loan debt and then, maybe then, pull your head out of your butt and see reality.

I'll be here to say "you were warned", "sorry you had to listen to the potty mouthed chiropractor aerial, cause he said chiropractic was so good and he bragged about his big screen TV.
Aerial View

Buffalo Grove, IL

#20 Mar 10, 2011
Wisdom wrote:
The waiter that served me several weeks ago was a chiropractor who graduated NYCC~2 years ago.
This waiter is making more than any of his classmates and very few of his classmates are engaged in gainful chiropractic employment. Those classmates of his who are working are making less than $30,000 per year.
$70 per hour? ha ha ha You're dreaming.
But like I said before, one as arrogant and as foul mouthed as you should go ahead and enroll in chiropractic school, get $120,000 into student loan debt and then, maybe then, pull your head out of your butt and see reality.
I'll be here to say "you were warned", "sorry you had to listen to the potty mouthed chiropractor aerial, cause he said chiropractic was so good and he bragged about his big screen TV.
There he goes again. Wisdom, and his now famous "My steakhouse waiter who used to be a chiropractor."
I think wisdom embodies all of his aliases ('steve','Callahan','exchiro') because he can't be in all those places at once. In past posts, wisdom also said, "Yeah, I was at Burger King and who do you think took my order, yup, and ex chiropractor." In another post wisdom wrote, "There I was, minding my own business while walking my dog, and who do you suppose was delivering my newspaper, yup, an ex chiropractor." And in another post wisdom wrote, "I was on my way to the hospital where I treat critically ill patients, and who do you suppose I saw working at the 7-11 while getting my coffee, yup, an ex chiropractor who told me he's making more at the 7-11 than he did as a chiropractor." These fabricated stories go on and on and on. There are dozens of these vignettes, all figments of wisdom's creepy imagination. And all lies.
Rookiechiro, you can and will do very well as a chiropractor. Wisdom is a loser and failure and now wants you to fail. Don't forget, wisdom is the same nut who called all nurses 'quacks' because, as he wrote, "you don't need to take an entrance exam to get into nursing school." Wisdom's words, not mine.
Wisdom

Greenport, NY

#21 Mar 10, 2011
See you in five years "rookie".

The hook is already in your mouth and these quacks are reeling you in.

Start your student loan application today. Chiropractic schools are licking their chops.

And guys like aerial, who make up lie after lie, like"nurses are quacks", will soon be your colleague.

God speed ..... chump.

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