Chiropractic management of a 5-year-o...

Chiropractic management of a 5-year-old boy with urinary and bowel incontinence

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Shemberg

Geneva, NY

#1 Nov 3, 2011
Wisdom

Manhasset, NY

#2 Nov 3, 2011
ha ha ha

And this is "chiropractic research" at its best. One miraculous anecdotal story.

The story goes, according to the activator using chiropractor ... A five year old boy who had unsuccessful spinal surgery to correct bowel and bladder control went to the chiropractor saying that the spinal surgery failed.

"The five year old boy presented to the chiropractor with the primary complaint of total inability to control his bowels and bladder".(that alone is preposterous because lack of bowel and bladder control remains a medical emergency).

But lets now get to the miraculous chiropractic cure. The chiropractor claims that he cured the boy of bladder and bowel control by, now get this, using the activator clicker to click the boys spine. And he "cured" the boy in just 5 visits.

Dumb ass ignorant chiropractors continuing to scam desperate and innocent people by spouting this garbage.

These quacks are sick sick sick.
Washington Chiro

AOL

#3 Nov 3, 2011
Wisdom wrote:
ha ha ha
And this is "chiropractic research" at its best. One miraculous anecdotal story.
The story goes, according to the activator using chiropractor ... A five year old boy who had unsuccessful spinal surgery to correct bowel and bladder control went to the chiropractor saying that the spinal surgery failed.
"The five year old boy presented to the chiropractor with the primary complaint of total inability to control his bowels and bladder".(that alone is preposterous because lack of bowel and bladder control remains a medical emergency).
But lets now get to the miraculous chiropractic cure. The chiropractor claims that he cured the boy of bladder and bowel control by, now get this, using the activator clicker to click the boys spine. And he "cured" the boy in just 5 visits.
Dumb ass ignorant chiropractors continuing to scam desperate and innocent people by spouting this garbage.
These quacks are sick sick sick.
haaaaaaaa ha ha hah! Wisdom, by his own admission, has no professional degrees. His only 'credential' is visiting 'chirotalk' the cult website where losers hang out. Chirotalk is the loser's water cooler of which wisdom drinks liberally!
Shemberg

Geneva, NY

#4 Nov 3, 2011
I posted this article specifically because I knew Wisdom would be the first to share is predictable and repetitive rhyme. He claims he has a PhD yet he is inept to analyze a simple case report on an instance.

This article does by no means claim that chiropractic care is a cure for Bladder dysfunction. Here is the Objective of the article:

“The purpose of this article is to describe chiropractic management of a 5-year-old boy with urinary and bowel incontinence.”

This case report describes a patient who came in with Bladder and Bowel dysfunction and reports what was done and the outcome. Nowhere in the article does it claim that chiropractic was the “un-doubtable cure” for this condition. It simple described the series of events that occurred and the treatment that was done.

“Neurosurgical reports indicated that the patient was diagnosed at birth with an intradural, intramedullary spinal cord lipoma with tethering of the spinal cord affecting the L5 through S4 nerve roots.” The patient at 2 months of age had an unsuccessful surgery, which included untethering the spinal cord. After surgery the patient depicted no neurological manifestations aside from persistent bladder and bowel incontinence.

After various chiropractic treatments, the patient ceased incontinence and stopped chiropractic treatment. After months of not having treatment the incontinence returned and the patient resumed chiropractic care. Again the patient then demonstrated a significant reduction of incontinence.

So the patient had persistent clinical manifestations after surgery and decided to further seek alternative therapy. After receiving care the symptoms regressed and came back after treatment ceased. Again treatment resumed and symptoms regress.

Nowhere in the article were any claims that chiropractic is a cure nor was it implied that this was significant research, rather this case report detailed the events that took place.

Furthermore the study clearly describes the limitations.

Again this only proved that Wisdom himself is incontinent to think logically and take something for what it is.
Shemberg

Geneva, NY

#5 Nov 3, 2011
Oh yeah and this guy Wisdom claims he has a degree in neurology yet he fails to consider that there is a connection among somatic and visceral organs through the nervous system and facial connections.

Most of us understand that the sign of a heart attack is referral of pain into the chest wall and left arm in predominately males (Viscero-Somatic) There are many other referred pain patterns commonly recognized such as the gallbladder referring pain to the shoulder, the stomach to the back, and heart attacks in women to the lower back. This is surly indicative that there is a connection. There are many studies that imply the inverse relationship.

“In experimental animals, both noxious and innocuous stimulation of somatic afferents have been shown to evoke reflex changes in sympathetic efferent activity and, thereby, effector organ function. These phenomena have been demonstrated in such sites as the gastrointestinal tract, urinary bladder, adrenal medulla, lymphatic tissues, heart and vessels of the brain and peripheral nerves. Most often, reflexes have been elicited stimulation of cutaneous afferents, although some work has also been conducted on muscle and articular afferents, including those of SPINAL TISSUES.”

Somatovisceral reflexes. Sato A.J Manipulative Physiol Ther. 1995 Nov-Dec;18(9):597-602.

That is just one study of abundant that illustrates the phenomenon of neurological connections among the musculoskeletal system and visceral functions.

It is funny how quick wisdom is to compile a list a fallacies and fail to adequately access probable connections among what is truly going on.

So how bizarre is it really when a chiropractor decides to do soft tissue work when a patient is eliciting some sort of visceral organ dysfunction or stimulation by hand on chiropractic manipulations. There clearly is a connection and yet Wisdom again fails to recognize the human anatomy.
Wisdom

Manhasset, NY

#6 Nov 3, 2011
Glad you are saying that chiropractic did not cure this boy. Why you would post it is troubling, however.
I would hope that you would send that boy to the hospital right away.
But you did post this bizarre story under the guise that it is somehow valid. The implication is that the chiropractor cured this boy. And that is bull crap. And the chiropractor that wrote that made that bizarre claim should lose is license. Period.
The fact that you think that by clicking a spine, you can cure anything, much less a medical emergency like loss of bowel control, is beyond bizarre. But in the past, you have claimed to be able to cure deep wounds and have defended claims that chiropractors can treat ADHD and equal dysfunction.
Therefore you a quack through and through.
Shemberg

Geneva, NY

#7 Nov 3, 2011
Actually I am not saying that at all. Please re-read my previous posts. Try again Wis-dumb, it seems you have a compelling problem in reading.

Also I never claimed to cure anything nor would I as I am not a chiropractor, or in the medical field.

I also didn't say that chiropractic didn't help this boy.

Glad you make your false claims so easily to point out.
Shemberg

Geneva, NY

#8 Nov 4, 2011
A clear case and point that Wisdom is nonetheless a residential spammer on this board.
Wisdom

Manhasset, NY

#9 Nov 4, 2011
Yes shemmie, you lying twit. you claimed to be able to cure/heal/treat deep wounds.

But now if you are denying that, fine. Some honesty at last.

Then I see you said about this chiropractor who claimed to cure loss of bowel control, that, " I also didn't say that chiropractic didn't help this boy."

So, now you imply that this chiropractor actually did help cure this boy by clicking his spine with an activator?

Oh wait, are you going to do the chiropractic baloney dance and say, "the body healed itself"? That you just "facilitated" the healing? Hmmmm? By clicking a spine with a clicker? Are you that full of crap?


But tell m, why, with NO actual clinical experience in wound care or psychiatric disorders would you claim that you were qualified to treat such disorders? You do remember how you claimed to be qualified to treat deep wounds and ADHD? Don't you?.
Washington Chiro

AOL

#10 Nov 4, 2011
Wisdom has no professional degrees or licenses. He's just a fraud. I just exposed wisdom as a fraud. My pleasure.
Shemberg

Geneva, NY

#11 Nov 5, 2011
Wisdom I never claimed to treat wounds. I am not a chiropractor. I simply posted here because I am tired or letting you spam every single post.

Again Wisdom I would urge you to reread the article and my posts and maybe you would see the light. I am not saying that the treatment did or did not help the bladder condition. I am simply saying that there may be a correlation.
factual

Estero, FL

#12 Nov 5, 2011
Wisdom wrote:
ha ha ha
And this is "chiropractic research" at its best. One miraculous anecdotal story..........
UMMMMM.... NO Wizzy.........

It is a case study, published in an indexed peer-reviewed journal.

I know you prefer to get your so-called "expert" information from a blab/whine/blog site.

Get a clue.

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