Chiropractic is documented medicine

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As a chiropractor I wanted to respond to the Feb. 5 article in the Eagle "Pasachoff joins team of skeptics." The article discusses views on skepticism by Williams College astronomy professor Jay M. Pasachoff and relates Pasachoff's ideas regarding science and pseudo-science. Examples of pseudoscience, he said, include reflexology, osteopathy and ...

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As usual - evil "for profit" pharmaceutical companies ( saving hundreds millions lives) as opposed to questionable services provided by bronsteins for free.($200.00 an hour does not count)." Mahaiwe" Services of Great Barrington. The name and location unmistakably show that we deal with bleeding brains crooked communist obamanistas. Shpitzer - Shumer, Chavez - Morales, Stalin - Hitler type. Sucking money out of the same *** holes from NYC
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Feb 12, 2010
 
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As usual - evil "for profit" pharmaceutical companies ( saving hundreds millions lives) as opposed to questionable services provided by bronsteins for free.($200.00 an hour does not count)." Mahaiwe" Services of Great Barrington. The name and location unmistakably show that we deal with bleeding brains crooked communist obamanistas. Shpitzer - Shumer, Chavez - Morales, Stalin - Hitler type. Sucking money out of the same *** holes from NYC
Could you explain how $200 an hour somehow equates to free services and makes this guy a communist?
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Could you explain how $200 an hour somehow equates to free services and makes this guy a communist?
WOW!!! What a brain power!!!I have a Crystal ball but you should move to Haiti. You should fit there perfectly as all bleeding brains lunatics communists - socialists. They already had there communist Aristid installed by American left wing bums.
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Feb 12, 2010
 
Chiro works well. Forget about drugs and heal naturally,
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Feb 12, 2010
 
Wisdom wrote:
The premise of chiropractic, as promoted by every chiropractic school. chiropractic association, and state laws is that the "chiropractic subluxation" causes disease. And that chiropractors have the unique ability to locate and remove these subluxations to restore health. i.e. heal/treat disease.
Well, that premise is pure crap. there are currently more than 200+ bizarre and ineffective chiropractic treatments used by chiropractors that have no evidence to support their use. Treatments such as network, hio, nucca, ak, sot peirce, gonstead, etc etc
Very few lay people are aware of just how bizarre the chiropractic field is. while some chiropractors appropriately use mild spinal manipulation and stretching and strengthening and limit their practices to those patients who might legitimately be helped, most chiropractors engage in outright fraud.
To note, more than 1/2 of all practicing chiropractors use the bizarre clicking instrument known as activator. Activator has never been shown to be even more effective than placebo at treating any disorder.
One must be very careful when seeking out the services of a chiropractor. The chiropractic diaper is full. It needs to be emptied. the author of this article, while using the incorrect term "chiropracty" is spot on in denouncing this bizarre field.
The fraudster above continues to lie and deceive everyone? Why? Wisdom/allen is a loser. Read the link. Busted!
Hahahahahaha! Wisdom is the ultimate liar, fraud, and clown.
First, let me remind everyone of the site that busted wisdom/allen and his fellow losers. http://truthintreatment.blogspot.com/2008/02/...
Now, let's talk about this creep, wisdom/allen. It was allen/wisdom who condones surgeons cutting the intestines (Rep. John Murtha), letting him bleed to death ("oh well" said wisdom--"next case!"), and moving on with the next patient. According to wisdom, "Hey, death during surgery is all in a day's work." Is that right? "All in a day's work?" Tell that to the murder victim's family.
Next, wisdom/allen from chirotalk, failed in practice in 43 days, and now he's bitter, angry, and jealous of successful chiropractors. Truth: Most chiropractors practice safely, ethically, and get great results. Truth: wisdom/allen is a liar and fraud. Check the link above.
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Feb 12, 2010
 
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Let me guess. Mr. "fraud" above is a chiropractor.
You can tell by the "professionalism" of his posts.
Claiming that I am one of your "failed" colleagues is beyond bizarre.
Then again, you are a chiropractor.
No more need be said. You have validated everything I said about chiropractic. I thank you.
Yes, mr allen/wisdom, you are a chiropractic god. Just read this post: http://truthintreatment.blogspot.com/2008/02/...
It exposes the liar and fraud you are. You are a loser, afterall--you know, failing in practice in 43 days. I forgot to ask you, how much does your psychiatrist charge you? What medications did he prescribe for you? You told me once but I forgot. Are you coming to terms with your anger issues over failing in practice so quickly? Just wondering, allen.
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you guys are all idiots? have you ever had back or neck problems and gone to a chiropractor? true chiropractic is about as simple and nuts and bolts as you can get. things out of place, and things put back in place. i had recurring daily headaches and back/neck pain disappear after a few months of chiropractic, after that, i didn't need it anymore. my wife had a severe injury to her neck (she fell and landed on the top of her head), doctors just pumped her full of drugs, and she was dizzy constantly. one visit to the chiropractor got rid of the dizziness, pinched nerve or something, and over the course of a few months everything went back into place and she was fine. lots of medical professionals try to believe their system of medicine is the cure-all, but all that is bs. if something works, it works, if it doesn't, it doesn't. i know chiro works, i know acupuncture works, i know yoga works, i know eating right works, i know drugs can work, etc.. but all this mental masturbation from college professors, it's just a waste of time, because all the mental masturbation in the world cannot change the truth.
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and now i just wasted my time, fcuk
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"north..." said, "and now i just wasted my time..."

Yes you did.
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"north..." said, "and now i just wasted my time..."
Yes you did.
And don't forget cutting someone's intestines during a routine gallbladder operation is sound medicine and the right thing to do according to wisdom/allen from chirotalk. Just ask Rep. John Murtha whose surgeon sliced his intestines during a recent, routine gallbladder surgery, murdering him right on the table while he was sleeping (he bled to death) trusting his surgeon, whom by the way should get life in jail for that "little mishap." But hey, "that's life" according to wisdom. What a creep this wisdom/allen loser. Read this: http://truthintreatment.blogspot.com/2008/02/... Backs up everything I've said about this loser, right down to his failing in practice in 43 days, and lying at every turn about chiropractic. It's not news anymore. Wisdom is a liar and fraud. And that's a print! Ahahahaahahhaha.
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The physician that I had seen had put me on different things to get rid of my daily headaches. They were behind my eye and over time the vision in that eye was not the same.

For some pain and stiffness in my back I went to a chiropractor. One day after a month I woke up and it felt as if something had been pulled out from behind my eye and the pain was gone for the first time since I had been a child. When the headaches start to return I schedule an appointment and they go away. After a year I no longer needed glasses.

I will only argue my experience. I hate to see the profession that took away so much pain criticized so harshly.
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I'll tell you what good medicine is. Good medicine is what the clown poster 'wisdom' likes. For example, wisdom condones good medicine, like the kind the surgeons at Bethesda Naval Hospital practiced when they viciously sliced open Rep. John Murtha's intestines during a routine gallballder procedure. According to the dope wisdom, and overall loser, "Oh well--__it happens." Then,'Hey, medicine is still safer than chiropractic." Is he kidding? How bizarre is that? When was the last time a chiropractor viciously sliced open anyone's intestines, caused massive internal bleeding, infections, then the patient died of septic shock? When was the last time? This happens hundreds of times per day in U.S. hosptals alone. So tell me, fool (wisdom)how is surgery safer than chiropractic?
Wisdom/allen ever so swiftly failed in practice (ever so swiftly---whooooshhhh--43 days) and now he's boiling mad and jealous of me, and thus resorts to lying about chiropractic. Wisdom is the ultimate liar and fraud.

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northadamstraveler wrote:
you guys are all idiots? have you ever had back or neck problems and gone to a chiropractor? true chiropractic is about as simple and nuts and bolts as you can get. things out of place, and things put back in place. i had recurring daily headaches and back/neck pain disappear after a few months of chiropractic, after that, i didn't need it anymore. my wife had a severe injury to her neck (she fell and landed on the top of her head), doctors just pumped her full of drugs, and she was dizzy constantly. one visit to the chiropractor got rid of the dizziness, pinched nerve or something, and over the course of a few months everything went back into place and she was fine. lots of medical professionals try to believe their system of medicine is the cure-all, but all that is bs. if something works, it works, if it doesn't, it doesn't. i know chiro works, i know acupuncture works, i know yoga works, i know eating right works, i know drugs can work, etc.. but all this mental masturbation from college professors, it's just a waste of time, because all the mental masturbation in the world cannot change the truth.
Years ago I suffered a severe back injury! Two visits to the E.R.,X rays,diathermy,and the bottom line was that nothing could be done correctively and it would require weeks on my back and then the outcome was not known!
A friend told me about his success with a Chiropractor in Worc. Ma.! I managed to contact the guy,he met me at his office on a Sun. morning, I practically had to crawl into his office the pain was excruciating!
One hour later I walked out,not totally pain free,but suffering only minor discomfort,three subsequent visits in the next 2 weeks and he told me what I already knew,he was done with his manipulations and I was a new man!
In the past thirty years I have needed the services of a Chiropractor only one other time,and although not as dramatic as the first results,because this was a different injury,I can say the treatment was quick,and effective!
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Chiropractors can not lose. 90% of all back pain heals on its own within a few weeks. So most people who see chiropractors feel better in a few weeks, ergo chiropractic works.

It is a pure sham.
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Chiropractors can not lose. 90% of all back pain heals on its own within a few weeks. So most people who see chiropractors feel better in a few weeks, ergo chiropractic works.
It is a pure sham.
Medical doctors can't lose. 99% of all colds, viruses, flu, cold sores, acne, coughs, and congestion heals on its own within a few days to a few weeks. So most people who see medical doctors feel better in a few weeks, ergo medicine works. It is a pure sham.
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<quoted text>Years ago I suffered a severe back injury! Two visits to the E.R.,X rays,diathermy,and the bottom line was that nothing could be done correctively and it would require weeks on my back and then the outcome was not known!
A friend told me about his success with a Chiropractor in Worc. Ma.! I managed to contact the guy,he met me at his office on a Sun. morning, I practically had to crawl into his office the pain was excruciating!
One hour later I walked out,not totally pain free,but suffering only minor discomfort,three subsequent visits in the next 2 weeks and he told me what I already knew,he was done with his manipulations and I was a new man!
In the past thirty years I have needed the services of a Chiropractor only one other time,and although not as dramatic as the first results,because this was a different injury,I can say the treatment was quick,and effective!
Ram,

I will agree that is some instances of back pain, a chiropractic adjustment may help. I think it is atypical that he told you a few visits is all that was needed, my experience with many chiropractics through the years has been they are like Freudian analysts and only years and years of treatment will work.
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I will agree that is some instances of back pain, a chiropractic adjustment may help. I think it is atypical that he told you a few visits is all that was needed, my experience with many chiropractics through the years has been they are like Freudian analysts and only years and years of treatment will work.
cbb,
Actually, that's very funny (your Freudian comment). Any kind of doctor can over utilize--chiropractors too. I have a high volume practice but I rarely see a new patient more than three times for a new condition. I like to get people better as fast as possible--they refer more that way. There are some conditions which require rehab. I have a lot of that equipment, and I do rehab in my own office, but for the long drawn out chronic cases I prefer someone else see them. By the way, I use a great spinal decompression table--and it doesn't take 15-20 visits to treat someone who is a candidate for this treatment. They will know within the first few days whether or not this will work. I usually schedule five visits for disc problems--and only more if they call after that.
That table also saves my shoulder from further stress (I had an injury about year ago and did some rehab at my own office--almost completely better now).

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Actually, that's very funny (your Freudian comment). Any kind of doctor can over utilize--chiropractors too. I have a high volume practice but I rarely see a new patient more than three times for a new condition. I like to get people better as fast as possible--they refer more that way. There are some conditions which require rehab. I have a lot of that equipment, and I do rehab in my own office, but for the long drawn out chronic cases I prefer someone else see them. By the way, I use a great spinal decompression table--and it doesn't take 15-20 visits to treat someone who is a candidate for this treatment. They will know within the first few days whether or not this will work. I usually schedule five visits for disc problems--and only more if they call after that.
That table also saves my shoulder from further stress (I had an injury about year ago and did some rehab at my own office--almost completely better now).
Unfortunately,you have all been painted with the same broad brush due to the practices of a few!
I know that Chiropracty is good medicine! I do not know how many Chiropractors PRACTICE good medicine,but will not hesitate to seek treatment from a Chiropractor if I feel the need in the future!
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Anyone who believes that a chiropractor can successfully treat a herniated disc in "five visits" is either very stupid or very ignorant.

This quack chiropractor above "mr. fraud" is just that. A quack.

No more be said.

And we can stop using the terms "chiropractic" and "medicine" together. One has nothing to do with the other. Chiropractors have absolutely no training in "medicine". Period. They clinical training chiropractors get is a joke. They are the clowns of "health care". Period.

The chiropractic diaper is full. Time to empty it.
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Anyone who believes that a chiropractor can successfully treat a herniated disc in "five visits" is either very stupid or very ignorant.
This quack chiropractor above "mr. fraud" is just that. A quack.
No more be said.
And we can stop using the terms "chiropractic" and "medicine" together. One has nothing to do with the other. Chiropractors have absolutely no training in "medicine". Period. They clinical training chiropractors get is a joke. They are the clowns of "health care". Period.
The chiropractic diaper is full. Time to empty it.
There are different techniques, some I have found not to be too effective. On the other hand modern chiropractic medicine that utilizes applied kinesiology with the activator method is amazing. It doesn't use the one adjustment fits all idea, but rather pinpoints the problem and frees the joints so that healing can begin. The secret is to find a chiropractor that has that specialty.

I think that Mr. Wisdom is truly lacking on this subject.

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