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2 middle-school teachers on leave for demonstrating acupuncture on students | The Columbus Dispatch

There are 22 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from Nov 10, 2010, titled 2 middle-school teachers on leave for demonstrating acupuncture on students | The Columbus Dispatch. In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

Two middle-school teachers have been placed on paid administrative leave for demonstrating acupuncture on students as part of a class lesson, a school official said.

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Nana

Columbus, OH

#1 Nov 10, 2010
I see a lawsuit happening here - the parents will overeact and file! So stupid.
Time is up

Groveport, OH

#2 Nov 10, 2010
Geez, how stupid can you be? I realize that students that age can learn from such a discussion but...what were they thinking? Didn't they learn anything from the Freshwater ordeal in London?
fubar

Strongsville, OH

#3 Nov 10, 2010
Too dumb to be teachers. I wonder if they would show the students how to use a laser to blind aa pilot.
Old Timer

AOL

#4 Nov 10, 2010
In the "old days" we used to use lancets (sterile of course) and actually learn how to type our own blood in biology class. Of course that was "pre-AIDS" and helicopter parent days. "In loco parentis" made the case that when in school, the school stood in place of the parent.
Reader

Columbus, OH

#6 Nov 10, 2010
Old Timer wrote:
In the "old days" we used to use lancets (sterile of course) and actually learn how to type our own blood in biology class. Of course that was "pre-AIDS" and helicopter parent days. "In loco parentis" made the case that when in school, the school stood in place of the parent.
I don't think schools really want that kind of responsibility any more.

But, didn't "in loco parentis" go through some legal challenges back in the 70s? Not sure what was left of it after the campus uprisings.
dude

Columbus, OH

#7 Nov 10, 2010
Compared to what we read about teachers doing to 13 year old students now a days, this is a cake walk. If they were trained and the kids were willing, stick em'.
John Blutarsky

Columbus, OH

#8 Nov 10, 2010
So now teachers are demonstrating acupuncture as a part of a "cultural" lesson. Nice to know there isn't any pseudoscience being shown to students in school.
kris

Dublin, OH

#9 Nov 10, 2010
Freshwater was sued and hounded out for what he did, his critics claiming he was teaching Christianity. Acupuncture is part of a religion also, an Eastern Pagan religion. Turnabout is fair play. Those two teachers should be sued and hounded out also. Most people do not grasp that yoga and acupuncture are based on religious beliefs that fly under the radar. Many teachers teach New Age religious views to children and get away with it. My child's teacher had the kids lying down and imagining a light traveling around their bodies.
Reader

Columbus, OH

#10 Nov 10, 2010
kris wrote:
Freshwater was sued and hounded out for what he did, his critics claiming he was teaching Christianity. Acupuncture is part of a religion also, an Eastern Pagan religion. Turnabout is fair play. Those two teachers should be sued and hounded out also. Most people do not grasp that yoga and acupuncture are based on religious beliefs that fly under the radar. Many teachers teach New Age religious views to children and get away with it. My child's teacher had the kids lying down and imagining a light traveling around their bodies.
Wow--where to begin?

I don't in anyway endorse the wisdom (or lack thereof) of these teachers. What they did was stupid--because it involved piercing a kid's skin in a demonstration of something possibly religious (although not necessarily--I believe that there are serious practitioners who are not affiliated with any particular belief set), and did so without seeking parental permission. Even if it is wholly regarded as a health care practice, parental permission was required.

You on the other hand are going way off in an altogether different direction and no more wisely. Should the parents sue, that would be their choice, made individually. Should they not elect to go that route, I would be hesitant to jump in (as you have) making accusations of unfair treatment for another religion.

As far as your kid's teacher having them lie down and envision a light encircling their body--well, this has plainly made you uncomfortable, but that doesn't make it a religious rite. I have experienced similar kinds of "meditations" in totally secular settings and for totally secular purposes. The art of relaxation is something that is very important for health and concentration--two things that schools are legitimately concerned with.

As far as flying under the radar is concerned, well, it is very difficult to separate religion from the culture of a community. There are multiple ways that the majority religions in this country have impacted our daily lives. Consider the fact that we observe Saturdays and Sundays off (might be way more efficient to rotate days off, don't you think), without a question. When I was growing up, the school cafeteria always had fish sticks on Fridays. Odds are, most still do. This derives from an accommodation to the religious observances of a particular group. Many schools still tie their "Spring" breaks to where Easter falls on the calendar.

I don't think your children are in any real moral or spiritual danger from their imagining a light travelling around their bodies. If you are worried about it, you might instruct them to use the time for some quiet internal prayer. No one need ever know.
Buckeye Chuck

Columbus, OH

#11 Nov 10, 2010
What's the story here 1/2 of my teachers were pricks
David

Columbus, OH

#13 Nov 10, 2010
thats not weird at all
Enoch Johnson

Columbus, OH

#14 Nov 10, 2010
Complete overreaction. Someone probably wants to sue the schools and make the taxpayers pay for their mcmansion.
jay

Columbus, OH

#15 Nov 10, 2010
It is surprising to see teachers, and others, act so stupidly in today's world. Why not ask someone if it's a good idea--or not?
Thinkin

Columbus, OH

#16 Nov 10, 2010
I'll just repeat what I said about Freshwater. Teachers should keep their hands to themselves. OK, next story.
kris

Dublin, OH

#17 Nov 11, 2010
So now we know Reader is all right with school teachers doing weird things to and with their minor charges (students). How does Reader FEEL about my child's school having people from Planned Parenthood in the building promoting their business? In our house we teach that abortion is murder. So why are government school employees and those they bring into the school to assist them allowed to contradict our religious teaching? We did not come to the school (nor did our child) and instruct the others that abortion is murder but the school employees influenced our child and the other children to think that abortion is all right. Our child did not get to express his/her views that homosexual behavior is a sin but the school employees got to promote the acceptance of homosexual behavior.
Time is up

Groveport, OH

#18 Nov 11, 2010
kris wrote:
Freshwater was sued and hounded out for what he did, his critics claiming he was teaching Christianity. Acupuncture is part of a religion also, an Eastern Pagan religion. Turnabout is fair play. Those two teachers should be sued and hounded out also. Most people do not grasp that yoga and acupuncture are based on religious beliefs that fly under the radar. Many teachers teach New Age religious views to children and get away with it. My child's teacher had the kids lying down and imagining a light traveling around their bodies.
Oh, right. I counted the number of children who converted to Islam, Buddhism, or Judaism after I taught a comparative religions class. The number was zero. Maybe they ought to lose their jobs but not for teaching religion.
Time is up

Groveport, OH

#19 Nov 11, 2010
kris wrote:
So now we know Reader is all right with school teachers doing weird things to and with their minor charges (students). How does Reader FEEL about my child's school having people from Planned Parenthood in the building promoting their business? In our house we teach that abortion is murder. So why are government school employees and those they bring into the school to assist them allowed to contradict our religious teaching? We did not come to the school (nor did our child) and instruct the others that abortion is murder but the school employees influenced our child and the other children to think that abortion is all right. Our child did not get to express his/her views that homosexual behavior is a sin but the school employees got to promote the acceptance of homosexual behavior.
Are your children too young or not strong enough in their beliefs that they can't see alternatives? Are they going to be so sheltered in their later lives that they will not see any alternatives to their (your) points of view? Sounds pretty paranoid to me.
sigh

Dublin, OH

#20 Nov 11, 2010
Time is up wrote:
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Are your children too young or not strong enough in their beliefs that they can't see alternatives? Are they going to be so sheltered in their later lives that they will not see any alternatives to their (your) points of view? Sounds pretty paranoid to me.
"Train up a child {d} in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it. " PROVERBS
But let your child be brought up by the heathens in the government schools and when he is old he will not depart from their heathen teachings. Make sense? Plenty of adults are not able to withstand the ungodly teachings of the world when peer pressure comes to bear on them. That's why Purpose-Driven wolves want their followers in small groups.
Time is up

Groveport, OH

#21 Nov 12, 2010
sigh wrote:
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"Train up a child {d} in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it. " PROVERBS
But let your child be brought up by the heathens in the government schools and when he is old he will not depart from their heathen teachings. Make sense? Plenty of adults are not able to withstand the ungodly teachings of the world when peer pressure comes to bear on them. That's why Purpose-Driven wolves want their followers in small groups.
Whew! Sounds like home-schooling is in order here. Why do you even send your child to "heathen government schools?" Doesn't that show YOUR poor judgment?
Staggered

Columbus, OH

#22 Nov 12, 2010
One question - why didn't they do each other instead of the kids?

Or is there no 'shock value' in that?

Keep your hands off my kids - you pervert!

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