Army tries acupuncture and other new ways to fight pain

Oct 1, 2011 Full story: Worcester Telegram & Gazette 13

Army Sgt. 1st Class Jennifer Wright used to jog, walk, lift weights and ride her Harley-Davidson 'Fat Boy,' the motorcycle she bought after serving in Iraq.

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The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#1 Oct 1, 2011
Acupuncture to fight pain has been around for a while but my insurance company won't cover it and there is more I have to say.
There is the TENS unit, TRAMADOL (medication to block pain to the brain), the pain pump (which I am not a candidate for because my doctors tells me, there is seriously something wrong that my surgeon needs to correct), and acupuncture is no different than the ones I mentioned. It is a 50/50 chance and most insurance co's will not cover it. The VA offers this although you have to go through god and country to get a doctor to treat you seriously using acupuncture. This is just another pseudo-science in hopes the mind will not recognize pain.
All these have been recommended for me and more. I am currently on the Fentanyl patch which seems to calm down the pain, but I still get pain spikes and acupuncture is not going to cure this. Not with the pain levels I have. Do some research and read up on these pain blockers and then read the chances. Most doctors do not believe in this pseudo-science.
Find out the REAL cause of the pain before you jump to speculation!
Marine Acupuncturist

San Diego, CA

#2 Oct 11, 2011
If you think acupuncture is a pseudoscience that only works half the time then it is you that should do more research, and you can start by going to the childrens hospital, hospice, UC San Diego or UC Irvine Integrative Medicine Clinics, or veterans village. What you would have had done through the VA is "medical acupuncture" which is nothing close to the true medicine; basically doctors taking a weekend seminar to learn what takes a lifetime to master. And ongoing studies in Michigan are showing that acupuncture increases the number of opioid receptors in the brain for chronic pain patients, but again, the needling must be done in the correct places by people who know what they're doing. Unfortunately the VA does not have such practitioners. Good luck in your search.
The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#3 Oct 12, 2011
Marine Acupuncturist wrote:
If you think acupuncture is a pseudoscience that only works half the time then it is you that should do more research, and you can start by going to the childrens hospital, hospice, UC San Diego or UC Irvine Integrative Medicine Clinics, or veterans village. What you would have had done through the VA is "medical acupuncture" which is nothing close to the true medicine; basically doctors taking a weekend seminar to learn what takes a lifetime to master. And ongoing studies in Michigan are showing that acupuncture increases the number of opioid receptors in the brain for chronic pain patients, but again, the needling must be done in the correct places by people who know what they're doing. Unfortunately the VA does not have such practitioners. Good luck in your search.
So why does this VA allow these 'practitioners' to practice? They are doing nothing for the patient, creating a false sense of 'believing' and these practitioners do no have the medical expertise to even know what they are doing.
The other research I have done, say it is a 50/50 chance depending on the cause of the pain. A pinched nerve is not going to be cured by acupuncture. Nerve pain is just that. What type of pain research is being done at these other hospitals? What is their pain related to? I know that headaches and the like may be suitable to acupuncture but what other pain issues could benefit from acupuncture?
Why does the VA continue to deceive us in treatment of pain management? I can no longer get treatment for my pain issues at the VA because they say they can do nothing more for me. The surgery they talk about may require paralysis but the doctor who put the rod in my back told me there was a mild to slim chance of paralysis and that was not his concern. Now 5 years later, the hardware has to be taken out because the hardware may be pressing on the nerve but this I can accept.(no surgeon wants to prove they are wrong)
Why couldn't the VA do this surgery on me without fear!(The answer from my family doctor who works at the VA is that they do not have a competent doctor who can perform this surgery without risks and this is to protect themselves. Also I am not service connected for this injury (DDD/DJD) and that was another reason why the VA did not want to perform the surgery). WHY????

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#4 Oct 12, 2011
The Mad Man wrote:
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So why does this VA allow these 'practitioners' to practice? They are doing nothing for the patient, creating a false sense of 'believing' and these practitioners do no have the medical expertise to even know what they are doing.
The other research I have done, say it is a 50/50 chance depending on the cause of the pain. A pinched nerve is not going to be cured by acupuncture. Nerve pain is just that. What type of pain research is being done at these other hospitals? What is their pain related to? I know that headaches and the like may be suitable to acupuncture but what other pain issues could benefit from acupuncture?
Why does the VA continue to deceive us in treatment of pain management? I can no longer get treatment for my pain issues at the VA because they say they can do nothing more for me. The surgery they talk about may require paralysis but the doctor who put the rod in my back told me there was a mild to slim chance of paralysis and that was not his concern. Now 5 years later, the hardware has to be taken out because the hardware may be pressing on the nerve but this I can accept.(no surgeon wants to prove they are wrong)
Why couldn't the VA do this surgery on me without fear!(The answer from my family doctor who works at the VA is that they do not have a competent doctor who can perform this surgery without risks and this is to protect themselves. Also I am not service connected for this injury (DDD/DJD) and that was another reason why the VA did not want to perform the surgery). WHY????
While the VA Hospitals do not do ALL performed surgerys I do know as I see it and know of two who have gone to outside Dr's the VA sends them to for care / in cancer and even heart surgerys and more!
VA uses the MD Anderson cancer center yes and pays for A vet and HIS wife to go there via flight and limo to the hosptital -
At least here is one needs a surgery and our VA can't do it or is backed up they send them to outside hospitals for care all paid for by the VA - I know each VA is different true but as I have stated many times here is do not take NO from the VA - If you do some checking in a nice way and if your medical needs are to get worst if you wait longer for said surgerys YOU can be sent to a Hospital in your area or some other city!
The VA in Las Vegas is small (hospital) and send vets weekly to calif. for medical some to the Navy hospital and some to loma linda hospital - We are lucky here to have most of our needs take care of here in Oklahoma city BUT they still farm out medical needs of vets daily!
I know of one vet who is listed as in catagory 8 lowest for care still got his cancer take care and other problems mdeical wise in Oklahoma and also at M D Anderson cancer centert in Houston:
The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#5 Oct 12, 2011
Ken1569 wrote:
<quoted text>
While the VA Hospitals do not do ALL performed surgerys I do know as I see it and know of two who have gone to outside Dr's the VA sends them to for care / in cancer and even heart surgerys and more!
VA uses the MD Anderson cancer center yes and pays for A vet and HIS wife to go there via flight and limo to the hosptital -
At least here is one needs a surgery and our VA can't do it or is backed up they send them to outside hospitals for care all paid for by the VA - I know each VA is different true but as I have stated many times here is do not take NO from the VA - If you do some checking in a nice way and if your medical needs are to get worst if you wait longer for said surgerys YOU can be sent to a Hospital in your area or some other city!
The VA in Las Vegas is small (hospital) and send vets weekly to calif. for medical some to the Navy hospital and some to loma linda hospital - We are lucky here to have most of our needs take care of here in Oklahoma city BUT they still farm out medical needs of vets daily!
I know of one vet who is listed as in catagory 8 lowest for care still got his cancer take care and other problems mdeical wise in Oklahoma and also at M D Anderson cancer centert in Houston:
I have seen many doctors at the VA for my medical problems. I have had many epidurals (from the same doctor who eventually refused to do any more epidurals), I had NOT seen an orthopedic doctor for my medical condition which was deterioration of my spine (DJD), number 1 because the waiting list was months to see the orthopedic doctor (not a surgeon) and second, no doctor properly diagnosed my degenerative joint condition. I was treated for back pain and referred to physical therapy for follow up but there was no doctor at the VA that had the capabilities to properly diagnose my djd. Eventually, over years later, my condition was 'considered' by the physical therapy doctor but there was no proper follow up except to give me steroid injections. I had no understanding of this disease because it was never properly diagnosed until years later. I was diagnosed with arthritis and referred to a rheumatologist and given pills for swelling and arthritis.
My current doctor (outside of the VA), that I had swelling of the spine due to pressure. This was diagnosed from an MRI and NOT an x-ray that my surgeon continually required but not an MRI. Now that the MRI has shown some swelling of the spine due to pressure, it was suggested the hardware be removed. At NO TIME has any doctor at the VA suggested that I had swelling of the spine or deterioration of the bone due to DJD. At that time, they did not have a specialist to diagnose this problem so I could only go by what was diagnosed so no outside referral could be suggested. What were my options at the time. The doctor who gave me epidurals was only a specialist in this area, not a rheumatologist, she was a specialist in the process of epidurals for my arthritis which was diagnosed in my lower back which many arthritic patients have. I don't know what more I could have done with the VA if they could not properly diagnose me. I have been to MANY doctors outside of the VA for treatment of this disorder and the orthopedic surgeon who specializes in diseases of the spine, found this DJD and replaced the diseased bone with a metal titanium rod. My pain levels were so severe by this time and the pain management doctor (outside of the VA) contacted the surgeon to explain more need to be done for my condition besides pain management and this is how all this came to being. Wish the VA could have diagnosed more!
James Chong

Maylands, Australia

#6 Dec 13, 2011
E˛ Acupuncture Science
Any skeletal muscle pain can be easily cured by Tradition Chinese Medicine (TCM) Acupuncture.

For 4,610 years (2600BC), Yellow Explorer's time. Until now acupuncturist continues this ancient TCM practice to eliminating all diseases (trying). All the main hospitals of China use this to treat most patients as busy as KFC fast food.

Acupuncture treatment will has needling sensation effect for first few days. This called “DE Qi/Chi”(Arrival of Oxy’Blood---needling sensation). it must be achieved so that Yin & Yang(Negative and Positive energy) can be balanced and body’s immune system has strengthens, else diseases can’t be eliminated. The fundamental manipulating techniques are Lifting and thrusting & Twirling or rotating. TCM Acupuncture therapeutic works and easily cures muscular pain if apply correctly.

Beside sciatica(more trials needed), all others skeletal muscle pains are not recorded in TCM text therefore no “Acupoints(???)” can be provided to any acupuncturist as that they need to advancing the practice and pick the right AcuPoints.

Be respectful, Acupuncture is not a device or voodoo magic, it does not release any things (certainly not endorphins, inflammation, etc,..) or anti-inflammatory agents. Please do not mislead. It is a marvelous 4,610+ years old, micro surgical tool, etc,.

“An acupuncture is bad science”. not much can be expected in 4,610 years ago, good science & resources only available from 1850AD such great scientists: Heinrich Hertz (1887) & Albert Einstein (1905).
Since 2005 E˛ Acupuncture has added a new chapter of modem acupuncture science. which has scientific proven, formulated, verified and even dispelling the amount of excessive Yins/-Toxin can be calculated. Treatment uses single new save disposal and painless micro-needle insertion to proper “Acupoints(??)” and has no side effects, least risk mainly due to accident same as any treatments. No Lifting and thrusting & Twirling or rotating manipulating needed so that patient cans comfortably having a cup of tea/coffee.

Acupuncturist must fully understood the Five Elements(&#20116;&#348 92;), Five Changes(&#20116;&#2146 4;) and Five Shu/Transports(&#20116; &#36755;/&#36890;) Yin & Yang balance principles. if any one treated by 5 X 30 minutes in 2 weeks and has no relief by 4 weeks, please discontinues and shop around.

I have my Plantar fasciitis cured twice by my own EE Acupuncture, last cured was on march/2011 since then pain remains free and no sign of coming back.(EE: Eliminates Excessive Yins/-Toxin/Electrons)

check/click on my site below
https://sites.google.com/site/jameschongpainf...
or more help below sites
http://talk.plantar-fasciitis.org/profile/Jam...
http://groups.google.com/group/plantar-fascii...

Sciatica update (loc: buttock & 5 inches down, 2 spots).
treated on 30th/10/2011.
12 days after and feedback:

"Been feeling the slight tenderness in the area where the needle were inserted. Felt my legs is tired but not the numbness." (50% pain relief, 100% no numbness)

5 weeks Later (email on 4th/11/2011):
"Seems to be fine, slight tenderness but definitely better than before" (now 90% cure)

why pain relief if it can be so easily cured.
and the cost of curing it is so much less then a pair of PF shoes and not to mention others,.

cheers
James
The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#7 Dec 13, 2011
James Chong wrote:
E˛ Acupuncture Science
Any skeletal muscle pain can be easily cured by Tradition Chinese Medicine (TCM) Acupuncture.
For 4,610 years (2600BC), Yellow Explorer's time. Until now acupuncturist continues this ancient TCM practice to eliminating all diseases (trying). All the main hospitals of China use this to treat most patients as busy as KFC fast food.
Acupuncture treatment will has needling sensation effect for first few days. This called “DE Qi/Chi”(Arrival of Oxy’Blood---needling sensation). it must be achieved so that Yin & Yang(Negative and Positive energy) can be balanced and body’s immune system has strengthens, else diseases can’t be eliminated. The fundamental manipulating techniques are Lifting and thrusting & Twirling or rotating. TCM Acupuncture therapeutic works and easily cures muscular pain if apply correctly.
Beside sciatica(more trials needed), all others skeletal muscle pains are not recorded in TCM text therefore no “Acupoints(???)” can be provided to any acupuncturist as that they need to advancing the practice and pick the right AcuPoints.
Be respectful, Acupuncture is not a device or voodoo magic, it does not release any things (certainly not endorphins, inflammation, etc,..) or anti-inflammatory agents. Please do not mislead. It is a marvelous 4,610+ years old, micro surgical tool, etc,.
“An acupuncture is bad science”. not much can be expected in 4,610 years ago, good science & resources only available from 1850AD such great scientists: Heinrich Hertz (1887) & Albert Einstein (1905).
Since 2005 E˛ Acupuncture has added a new chapter of modem acupuncture science. which has scientific proven, formulated, verified and even dispelling the amount of excessive Yins/-Toxin can be calculated. Treatment uses single new save disposal and painless micro-needle insertion to proper “Acupoints(??)” and has no side effects, least risk mainly due to accident same as any treatments. No Lifting and thrusting & Twirling or rotating manipulating needed so that patient cans comfortably having a cup of tea/coffee.
Acupuncturist must fully understood the Five Elements(&#20116;&#348 92;), Five Changes(&#20116;&#2146 4;) and Five Shu/Transports(&#20116; &#36755;/&#36890;) Yin & Yang balance principles. if any one treated by 5 X 30 minutes in 2 weeks and has no relief by 4 weeks, please discontinues and shop around.
I have my Plantar fasciitis cured twice by my own EE Acupuncture, last cured was on march/2011 since then pain remains free and no sign of coming back.(EE: Eliminates Excessive Yins/-Toxin/Electrons)
check/click on my site below
https://sites.google.com/site/jameschongpainf...
or more help below sites
http://talk.plantar-fasciitis.org/profile/Jam...
http://groups.google.com/group/plantar-fascii...
Sciatica update (loc: buttock & 5 inches down, 2 spots).
treated on 30th/10/2011.
12 days after and feedback:
"Been feeling the slight tenderness in the area where the needle were inserted. Felt my legs is tired but not the numbness." (50% pain relief, 100% no numbness)
5 weeks Later (email on 4th/11/2011):
"Seems to be fine, slight tenderness but definitely better than before" (now 90% cure)
why pain relief if it can be so easily cured.
and the cost of curing it is so much less then a pair of PF shoes and not to mention others,.
cheers
James
You actually believe that?
James Chong

Maylands, Australia

#8 Dec 16, 2011
Aren't you seeking and unlock this 4,610+ years old
hidden scientific facts of TCM Acupuncture practice.

Now you got the scientific facts from https://sites.google.com/site/jameschongpainf...

If you're remain unconvinced, this has shown that you are know nothing about science but pretend to be one.

Of cause you're entitle your opinions.
For many perhaps thousand years of criticism such bad, dead, voodoo magic and snake oil sales man acupuncture science. Especially from those top most profession.

Don’t you think TCM Acupuncture deserve an online apology.

Thank, Merry Christmas to you all

James
The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#9 Dec 16, 2011
James Chong wrote:
Aren't you seeking and unlock this 4,610+ years old
hidden scientific facts of TCM Acupuncture practice.
Now you got the scientific facts from https://sites.google.com/site/jameschongpainf...
If you're remain unconvinced, this has shown that you are know nothing about science but pretend to be one.
Of cause you're entitle your opinions.
For many perhaps thousand years of criticism such bad, dead, voodoo magic and snake oil sales man acupuncture science. Especially from those top most profession.
Don’t you think TCM Acupuncture deserve an online apology.
Thank, Merry Christmas to you all
James
NO! Energy and ying and yang...bunch of bull. If you put any needle into a nerve it will react but don't give me this energy crap. This is a pseudoscience and should be outlawed!
James Chong

Maylands, Australia

#10 Dec 16, 2011
You're just one of the pretender and shooting your own foot.

Your remarks not just insult the ying & yang
but also the whole scientific world, crap to Heinrich Hertz & Albert Einstein.

Well what kind elements energy bonding the molecule
together. the negative of electrons and the positive of nucleus right. Does it has any free excessive electrons move around the molecule?

Also when did I used the word "react" in my statement. the metal needle don't react, don't you
think you mislead the world again. "dispel Yins/electrons", this the only words I had used.

James
James Chong

Maylands, Australia

#12 Dec 21, 2011
Why take so long(16/Dec)? give me your best science.
The world is waiting.........

We know you have sore foot, perhaps
try E˛ Acupuncture, free offer.

For latest update, please check/click on my site below
https://sites.google.com/site/jameschongpainf...

Jemas
stuart7491

Loris, SC

#14 Mar 3, 2012
isaw on a post about how different va care can be depending on where you live and will agree, i am now in sc and it is not good, having used sd,ca and fayetteville,nc. there is a large difference. i have been fairly controlled on 2 opoids for 5 yrs and recently was told i violated my pain management agreement because i was honest and told my pcp that i had gotten some stronger, it didn't matter that it came from a private er, since i did not inform wihin 1 day. so i have been cut off, forget the withdrawwl symptoms one goes through, they don't care, and i found out it was required to have a copy of agreement given to me, never happened, so now i am trying to figure out where to go to appeal. ihave heard and read more complaints about va care in sc. plus i had to pay for er visit, since va will not pay for visit, i was told unless life threating to drive 3 hours to charleston va for care. i don't drive because of my condition and they do not offer ambulance service. i am looking for other forums pertaining more to my circumstance if anyone knows [please post
The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#15 Mar 4, 2012
stuart7491 wrote:
isaw on a post about how different va care can be depending on where you live and will agree, i am now in sc and it is not good, having used sd,ca and fayetteville,nc. there is a large difference. i have been fairly controlled on 2 opoids for 5 yrs and recently was told i violated my pain management agreement because i was honest and told my pcp that i had gotten some stronger, it didn't matter that it came from a private er, since i did not inform wihin 1 day. so i have been cut off, forget the withdrawwl symptoms one goes through, they don't care, and i found out it was required to have a copy of agreement given to me, never happened, so now i am trying to figure out where to go to appeal. ihave heard and read more complaints about va care in sc. plus i had to pay for er visit, since va will not pay for visit, i was told unless life threating to drive 3 hours to charleston va for care. i don't drive because of my condition and they do not offer ambulance service. i am looking for other forums pertaining more to my circumstance if anyone knows [please post
Sorry to hear of your plight. I can see this happening. I know my VA doctor did not have me sign an agreement but says I did. Now I am trying to get off the Fentanyl patch because the last operation I had helped (and it was not done at a VA hospital). Now all my VA doctor can offer me is Librium for withdrawal. Nice, replace one drug with another addicting drug! According to the VA doctors, I am NOT a candidate for Acupuncture because of the pain medication I take. They tell me, if the patch is not working, the acupuncture will not. I really have had poor treatment from the VA I go to and now I rely on a private hospital for my care. The doctors their have performed 5 surgeries on me and this has helped very much although I have been told I will live in pain for the rest of my life. The pain is manageable for now and I am able to walk somewhat again, more than I could do years ago. I have been to physical therapy at the VA 11 times with no help. I have lost faith with the VA system. I have DJD/DDD (degenerative joint disease/degenerative disk disease and even the rheumatologist at the VA has discharged me from clinic after a medication she gave me with no follow up. DJD/DDD does not 'GO AWAY'. It worsens with age. Because of my private insurance, I have been able to see a doctor who KNOWS what he is doing and I have confidence in the pain management team. At least they listen and offer help in what ever way they can!

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