Prescription or Poison?: The Benefits and Dangers of Herbal Remedies

Author: Amitava Dasgupta Publisher: Hunter House ISBN: 9780897935500 Reviewed: May/June 2010 Even as the use of prescription drugs grows in the United States, the sale of herbal remedies, vitamins, and minerals is skyrocketing.

[C Redd]

It is important to know that homeopathy is not herbal medicine.

Homeopathic remedies are proven safe and efficacious by 200 years of use in hundreds of millions of people around the world and through 100's of studies. These medicines, in and of themselves, do not have the capability to do harm. They are proven safe for pregnant women, children and infants.

Homeopathic remedies are prepared from natural sources--animal, mineral and plant. They are potentized (i.e., serially diluted and succussed according to strict pharmacy standards, either Hahnemann or Korsakof, adhering to HPUS standards.

[Mark]

Thats right, it isn't herbal medicine as herbal medicine has active ingredients while homeopathy is just water and totally ineffective.

[C Redd]

Poor Mark forgot the first lesson in his high school chemistry class........something (matter) cannot become nothing.

"Using market samples of metal-derived medicines from reputable manufacturers, we have demonstrated for the first time by Transmission Electron Microscopy (TEM), electron diffraction and chemical analysis by Inductively Coupled Plasma-Atomic Emission Spectroscopy (ICP-AES), the presence of physical entities in these extreme dilutions, in the form of nanoparticules of the starting metals and their aggragates."

"Extreme High Dilutions Retain Starting Materials: A Nanoparticulate Perspective"
Dept. of Engineering, Indian Institute of Technology

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20970092

[C Redd]

It is the lack of "active ingredient" and in its original form that makes homeopathy safe.

If homeopathy is not effective, how is it that homeopaths have documented records proving that homeopathy cures chronic diseases like type 2 diabetes,

see www.hpathy.com (search "Dr. Bhatia diabetes", "clinical cases", "Ask the Doctor") or google "homeopathy cured cases"

or that homeopathy cures brain tumors?

www.pbhrfindia.org/index.php/Case-Studies/Cur...

[Mark]

C Redd wrote:

It is the lack of "active ingredient" and in its original form that makes homeopathy safe.
If homeopathy is not effective, how is it that homeopaths have documented records proving that homeopathy cures chronic diseases like type 2 diabetes,
see www.hpathy.com (search "Dr. Bhatia diabetes", "clinical cases", "Ask the Doctor") or google "homeopathy cured cases"
or that homeopathy cures brain tumors?
www.pbhrfindia.org/index.php/Case-Studies/Cur...

They lied? Misdiagnosis? No follow up?- Iqbal who worked with a homeopath for 9 years stated they classed a patient as "cured" when they di not come back. It never occurred to him the patient did not come back because they sort real treatment elsewhere or they died due to untreated illness.

[Mark]

C Redd wrote:

Poor Mark forgot the first lesson in his high school chemistry class........something (matter) cannot become nothing.
"Using market samples of metal-derived medicines from reputable manufacturers, we have demonstrated for the first time by Transmission Electron Microscopy (TEM), electron diffraction and chemical analysis by Inductively Coupled Plasma-Atomic Emission Spectroscopy (ICP-AES), the presence of physical entities in these extreme dilutions, in the form of nanoparticules of the starting metals and their aggragates."
"Extreme High Dilutions Retain Starting Materials: A Nanoparticulate Perspective"
Dept. of Engineering, Indian Institute of Technology
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20970092

The molar limit
If one begins with a solution of 1 mol/L of a substance, the 10-fold dilution required to reduce the number of molecules to less than one per litre is 1 part in 1×10 to the 24th (24X or 12C) since:

6.02×10 to the 23rd/1×10 to the 24th = 0.6 molecules per litre
Homeopathic dilutions beyond this limit are unlikely to contain a single molecule of the original substance. Assuming pure water has been used as a diluent, then dilutions beyond 14C are unlikely to contain any molecules of water used to make the original solution.

A popular homeopathic treatment for the flu is a 200C dilution of duck liver, marketed under the name Oscillococcinum. As there are only about 10 to the 80th atoms in the entire observable universe, a dilution of one molecule in the observable universe would be about 40C. Oscillococcinum would thus require 10 to the 320th more universes to simply have one molecule in the final substance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathic_dilu...

[Nuggin]

C Redd wrote:

Poor Mark forgot the first lesson in his high school chemistry class........something (matter) cannot become nothing.

You know that's not what he said. What's the matter, can't handle an honest debate?

I asked this on the other thread, let's see if you'll answer it here.

If I wanted to achieve the same dilution as a 30C homeopathic remedy in one step instead of 30, and I started with 1 cubic centimeter (1 "cc") of medicine, how much water would I need to achieve the appropriate dilution?

It's really pretty easy math.

Care to guess?

I'll even help you with the math if you like.

[Iqbal]

Mark wrote:

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They lied? Misdiagnosis? No follow up?- Iqbal who worked with a homeopath for 9 years stated they classed a patient as "cured" when they di not come back. It never occurred to him the patient did not come back because they sort real treatment elsewhere or they died due to untreated illness.

You are a liar.

I also wrote that most first time patients came with reference of earlier patients who had got well!

How many doctors are you aware of, who follow up on their patients?

[Iqbal]

Mark wrote:

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They lied? Misdiagnosis? No follow up?- Iqbal who worked with a homeopath for 9 years stated they classed a patient as "cured" when they di not come back. It never occurred to him the patient did not come back because they sort real treatment elsewhere or they died due to untreated illness.

You are a liar. Go back and read the post again.

I noted there that most first time patients came with reference of earlier patients who had got well !!! This you cannot understand or don’t want to understand?

How many doctors is any of you aware of, who follow up on their patients to find out if he has got well?

[Nuggin]

Iqbal wrote:

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You are a liar.
I also wrote that most first time patients came with reference of earlier patients who had got well!
How many doctors are you aware of, who follow up on their patients?

This is a result of homeopathy exclusively being used to treat things which don't require treatment.

If you have a sore shoulder and do nothing, it goes away in a couple of days.

If you have a sore shoulder and take a homeopathic remedy, it goes away in a couple of days.

The "remedy" isn't magic.

Still waiting on that answer for the 1:30C volume of water. I'll help you with the math if it's too hard for you.

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