Editor's Choice Main Category: Complementary Medicine / Alternative Medicine Article Date: 08 Jul 2009 - 2:00 PDT Aromatherapy is a type of alternative medicine that uses essential oils and other aromatic plant compounds which are aimed at improving a person's health or mood.
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#21 Dec 22, 2009
Hey Midwest Chiro you are right about wisdom he is a scumbag
He likes to use the word quack so let us examine what quack means? Hmmmm
"The original "quacks" were dentists who advocated the use of mercury amalgam, and most dentists are still advocating its use today. Quack is short for "quacksalber," the old German word for mercury."
Well wisdom seems like you need to go back to preschool? So are you calling dentists quacks? I sure hope not.
"Nowadays the word "quack" is applied to the competition of allopathy and the drug medical establishment. "Quack" is the allopathic codeword for competition." Very interesting indeed
"Anyone who tries to hang the label "quack" without personal investigation to the point of proof beyond reasonable doubt must be regarded as a scoundrel until proven otherwise."
Some good stuff I found. I bet wisdom knows where it is from. So how is crackerwatch these days wizzy?
#22 Dec 22, 2009
So this is how wisdom and his thugs think: Hmmmmm
"If the man doesn't believe as we do, we say he is a crank, and that settles it. I mean, it does nowadays, because now we can't burn him." (Mark Twain)
Sounds like wizzy is anti health freedom which would mean he is anti US constitutional rights? Hmmmm
Is that right wizzy? I think I know who your are now?
#23 Dec 23, 2009
I made a statement about the beliefs of traditional chiro. You said I was lying. I quoted the FOUNDER of traditional chrio. You respond by saying you can quote Lincoln.
Did I accuse you of lying about Lincoln using the word "score" in a speech? No.
YES or NO, traditional chiro believes in "innate intelligence" which can be adjusted through spinal manipulation?
Unless you've evaluated claims with a double blind study and presented evidence for efficacy as well as a plausible mechanism through which this efficacy can be achieved, then you should keep your mouth shut.
Guess what, anecdotal evidence is NOT EVIDENCE.
Placebo works too. I don't need to make sugar pills to know that a placebo isn't a real cure.
If by "couldn't crack it in the real world" you mean successful screenwriter who had three movies on this winter, then sure.
How many patients do you have which are repeat customers?
#24 Dec 23, 2009
No. If a man doesn't believe as we do, he's asked to present evidence under a specific set of standards.
If he can't present evidence, then his claims are called into question. He's asked to present a valid mechanism through which he claims could be achieved.
If he can't present a mechanism, then he doesn't have anything but his claims.
"Innate Intelligence" is bunk. There isn't a single test anyone can perform to measure it. There's a mountain of evidence to demonstrate that it doesn't exist.
#25 Dec 23, 2009
"Innate Intelligence" theory claims that all of the organs cut off from innate intelligence should basically cease working almost immediately.
You are citing examples which arise from the lack of movement. Our bodies are designed to walk. When we stop walking, a lot of other things have problems. The bowels, for example, need to shift around in order to prevent bunching.
Those are two radically different things.
In fact, DD's primary case demonstrates the opposite problem from what I'm talking about.
He "cured" a janitor of deafness by adjusting his upper back. People who have a completely severed spine at the base of the neck do not lose hearing. Therefore, there is nothing in the upper back which controls hearing.
So, a lack of innate intelligence going to the body doesn't have the negative effect it should have either below or above the damaged area.
#26 Dec 23, 2009
Do you, in your chiropractic practice also prescribe aromatherapy/homeopathy/naturo pathy?
#27 Dec 23, 2009
You may have a valid point. Innate intelligence seems to have passed you by.
Too bad you're unsuccessful and just couldn't make a go of a chiropractic practice. Try something else. But blaming chiropractors and/or chiropractic for your failures is not the answer. It's a big world out there. I'm sure you'll find your true calling. In the meantime you should be happy for chiropractors like me and others who are enjoying successful practices and making a positive difference in people's lives.
#28 Dec 23, 2009
Why don't we look at the double blind study the past, when physicians were telling patients that cigarette smoking clearly treated disease? Do you deny that this happened? So what was good the good old doctor placebo doing back then, it seems as though he must of been completely double blinded?
Two can play your game nugget
So since we are on the subject of Double Blind study, maybe dear old golden nugget boy can explain the double blind study of Vioxx? I would really like to see that study.
Too many in medicine hide behind this double blind they call science, when in fact they know they are misleading the public. All for the big bucks, and once they have their new house car money in a Caribbean bank account, nice sports car, vacation home, and yacht. Then they say oops I think we made a mistake?
When you have a FOR PROFIT as Frog point out, health care system, the last thing you can rely on is scientific double blind, as money tends to really double blind the people conducting the study.
So Whose Your Daddy? I like that one Frog
#29 Dec 23, 2009
So how much can we really trust science today? Who is paying for the study, would be a great start to answer this question.
Do you really think that we are going to believe a study conducted by the allopathic, which states that chiropractic has not been proven to be effective? Do you really think people are that stupid. To listen to a group of people that once claimed chiros were rabid dogs, and conspired to destroy the profession of chiropractic. All the while these same people as BotNUT and Frog pointed out, were promoting cigarette smoking as a treatment for disease, of these same people were telling us that vioxx was safe? Come on nugget boy, get real. People are not that stupid, at least the ones that have not been prescriptioned drugged yet
So Whose your Daddy?
#30 Dec 23, 2009
Medicine is losing all credibility today esp among the younger generation that cannot seem to watch TV without at least 1 ED commercial every 5 minutes.
Good point Frog/BotNUT, if they get everyone on ED meds then they create more STD's which inturn also need more meds and medical procedures. When you think about it, Man Old Man what a CASH COW. These guys at pharma really know how to bring in the big bucks don't they?
Trust me, everyone with a brain knows that pharma is out to make money first.
But how many people have to die in order for these thugs to be bigger bonuses?
#31 Dec 23, 2009
After watching the movie Sicko, I became disgusted with today's medical system. If I were going to be a doctor I would go to med school in France or somewhere in Europe. They seem to put patients before profits.
Thank god we have Obama who seems to be the only one trying to change things around. Having him as a president, is the best thing we ever did.
Can you imagine that the people at the WTC who volunteered to help and got sick from it, had to actually go to Cuba in order to get medical care?
How sick is that? When I watched the movie I could not believe just how much these doctors in other countries actually cared about patients.
Sad state of affairs. So nugget where is the double blind in that?
We should focus on making medicine better and leave chiropractic alone, their ills are small compared to the other
#32 Dec 23, 2009
LOL. Projecting much? Why the F would I want to give backrubs for a living when I do just fine writing movies?
All conmen say the same thing.
#33 Dec 23, 2009
Care to link to such a study NOT paid for by a tobacco company? Care to also present the peer review criticisms of said study?
No? Didn't think so.
Try pubmed, I'm sure it's there for you to read in its entirety.
Nice claim. Care to present EVIDENCE to support that claim?
Clearly you don't understand who is running these studies and how much they get paid to do so. Further, you don't realize that organizations which design and run these studies are paid regardless of results.
Apparently you don't understand what a "double blind" study actually is.
Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with a few of the terms being discussed before you spout off more nonsense.
#34 Dec 23, 2009
Your "thinking" is muddled at best.
You are claiming that people NOT being able to see a doctor is a problem AND claiming that doctors don't cure diseases AND claiming that backrubs to AND claiming that you want to study to be a doctor in France.
Stop. Think. Then post. Right now you are just blathering all over the place.
#35 Dec 23, 2009
I did not claim that doctor do not cure disease. I never talked about backrubs. I did not claim that I wanted to be a Doctor. I said if I did want to I would to Europe.
Where in the world do you get backrubs from? I have not heard anything about massage therapists on these posts.
Also for you to deny that physicians promoted cigarette smoking as a treatment of disease, must mean you know nothing about history of health care?
Do you think I would trust the double blind study on Vioxx? Come on, I was not born yesterday. How many people suffered from that study?
Why do you not speak about the ills in the health care system nugget? Do you deny these things go on?
Nugget you had better stick with your day job of writing movies. Maybe you can expose the pharma industry like the movie that exposed the tobacco industry?
#36 Dec 23, 2009
Did I deny anything? No. You wanted to discuss double blind studies about the health effects of cigarettes. I assume you have one in mind. I'm certainly not going to go look up all of them and try and guess WHICH one you are talking about.
So, if you have a specific point about a specific double blind study which was done by an independent party and peer reviewed, I'm happy to go over it in detail with you.
If your claim is that the cigarette industry had some doctors on payroll doing commercials on TV -- no one else is talking about that. Maybe you should start a thread on a different forum.
Double blind studies are designed to test the efficacy of a drug to determine if it actually has an effect.
Large scale studies are designed to uncover side effects from the drug.
The largest large scale study is still only a sampling of the people who will use a drug when it goes to market.
It is ENTIRELY plausible that a drug can go all the way through testing only to have a side effect revealed when a large number of people are using it.
This stands in STARK contrast to many chiropractic offices which offer homeopathic or naturopathic "medicines" which have never been subject to efficiability testing, must less safety testing.
Though, I think all can agree, it's impossible to create a homeopathic "cure" which is unsafe, since at it's highest "concentrations" it's just a drop of pure H2O.
Because that discussion would be even MORE off topic than the discussion about acupuncture, which (if you haven't noticed) is NOT aromatherapy, which is the ACTUAL top of the thread.
You seem to have a real problem with pharma. Tell us, how many medicines has your industry produced?
#37 Dec 23, 2009
Well Nugget the whole reason homeopathic medicine does not have the same benefit as BIG PHARMA, at least in this country, BUT IN EUROPE they would ask Nugget what is must be smoking, as almost all MD's prescribe homeopathic medicine.
But I think Nugget already knows that.
Now what brings us off discussion is mr wizzy, who seems to like to start trouble.
Now with homeopathic medicine, it has the same philosophy as vaccines, cure like with like? Do you deny this nugget?
Now as far as pharma is concerned yes I have a problem that every time I want to watch TV I have to see another stupid ED commercial promoting the increase in STD's. I also have a problem with Vioxx and other drugs that are not safe and information is suppressed. Hey Nugget what do you think about that? I think it is quack science so to speak
I also have a problem when reading the NEJM and I find out that they allow paid pharma consultants to publish peer review articles.
Pharma is good for one thing, that is antibiotics, but now do to over prescribing they are not working as good any more and so what does pharma give us? Super bugs, MRSA
Also nugget down plays physicians involvement in the past of promoting smoking as a treatment of disease. Why do not ignore this fact nugget? How many patients ended up with cancer due to this?
You would spend your time better by looking at the ills of current medical system as chiropractic ills are pale in comparison
So nugget Whose Your Allopathic Daddy?
#38 Dec 23, 2009
Hey Whose Your Daddy. You have got to take this buffoons with a grain of salt. They are radicals sent out into the posting world by Big Pharma and Anti anything none natrual medicine.
The reason they live next to a keyboard, is that if they ran their mouths out in the real world they would have lawsutis up the nose. Have lots of money set aside for legal counsel.
These same buffoons also try to forsce prescription drugs and surgery on people. People are not stupid, they know the money exchanging hands. That is why the great Senator recently decided to send letters to many medical org for them to explain the route of money exchanging hands. Even Ron Paul knows whats going on and he is a MD and Presidential candidate. I voted for him and Obama. I will vote for Ron Paul next time also.
Yes BotNUT they are trying to create a pill popping society.
They have to eliminate the competition This is normal in a For Profit Healthcare system as Frog and Whose your daddy pointed out.
In the end, the consumer decides and votes and they overwhelming stay Chiropractors Acupuncturists and Naturopathics are what they want. Allopathic is just going to have to get use to it.
Nugget you sure sound like a ghost writer, sure your not writing for big pharma and just using movies as a scapegoat?
We got you guys cornered and natural medicine is here to stay. Get use to it. Matter of fact your double blind anyways so you can't see the reality of the current movement
#39 Dec 23, 2009
"popper" said, "In the end, the consumer decides ...."
However, the fact is, 99.9% of "lay" people have no idea about the bizarre world of chiropractic.
They have NO idea that the clinical experience chiropractic students receive is beyond pathetic. they have no idea that, while chiropractors claim to be qualified to be portal of entry practitioners, most have never examined, diagnosed, treat or referred sick patients.
They have no idea that more than half of all chiropractors use the bizarre activator technique to treat and cure disease and illnesses. fact is, activator is a fraudulent and ineffective treatment used to scam millions of people out of their hard earned dollars. not to mention the insurance company's dollars.
What is very telling, is that whenever chiropractic is challenged, the chiropractic reflex is to bash medicine. truly bizarre. I mean really, trying to compare the medical field which saves millions, if not billions, of lives every year to chiropractic which has never saved a life.....EVER. At least more people are becoming aware of the nonsense in chiropractic.
And please, homeopathy? What a bunch of crap. Most homeopathic remedies are watered down so much that you would be lucky to get even a few molecules of the original plant or compound in the mixture. Homeopaths say that's what makes it so "effective". What garbage. And now more people are becoming aware of that scam.
The chiropractic diaper needs to be emptied.
#40 Dec 23, 2009
Great job wizzy
You are the very best conartist the world has ever known
You nothing about homeopathy do you? But I will not let them know our little secret
You need to go back to chiratalkly and get your treat, make sure DUMBview is dumb with his Sermon on Mount Chiro.
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