Dragon

Australia

#48 Mar 21, 2012
royfiggy wrote:
A friend of mine is in the field, he sees 100 patients a day.
100 a day is very rare. Industry statistics for the average practitioner is between 10 to 20 a week.
Don't forget income is before expenses such as rent supplies memberships etc etc. do the maths it starts to get rather un impressive as a career.
Over 80 percent of practitioners fall into this bracket. The only ones still promoting this as a viable career path is the colleges.
mr boooth

Vancouver, Canada

#49 Apr 19, 2012
Hi all went to a accupincture school NBC and school was a shithole do not do accupucture and don't ever go to ictcmv it sucks balls
mr boooth

Vancouver, Canada

#50 Apr 19, 2012
In BC ictcmv sucks so bad and teachers suck even more please never go there
ajcschnell

United States

#51 Jul 10, 2012
Dragon wrote:
<quoted text>
100 a day is very rare. Industry statistics for the average practitioner is between 10 to 20 a week.
Don't forget income is before expenses such as rent supplies memberships etc etc. do the maths it starts to get rather un impressive as a career.
Over 80 percent of practitioners fall into this bracket. The only ones still promoting this as a viable career path is the colleges.
Dragon,
I am a beginner level (1 yr experience) LMT. When we studied TCM in Eastern Wellness, I found a calling. My only problem is that accupuncture seems to be the only career that uses TCM. I guess I'm still trying to understand if there are other career fields that TCM can be applied to. Any suggestions on where to continue my research?
Camelot

Fallbrook, CA

#52 Aug 11, 2012
I just graduated from tcm school. I have 100k in loans I don't know how to pay back. When you treat a patient you give that person a lot of your energy, your "qi" as we call it. Therefore many acupuncturists feel so tired and drained if they treat over four patients a day. 100 patients are impossible unless your just sticking them with needles so fast and never doing a proper intake or patient exam. 100 patients 8 hours a day is a little over 12 per hour! Impossible! How large of a space would you have to rent to have 12 beds. Would patients pay to be rushed in and out to be treated like a pincushion. This kind of treatment is not healing so they would not return..Real world figures are not compatible with supporting yourself. How can I pay a 1300 per month loan and make under 15k a year the salary of some very hip and enterprising practicioners I know. Everyone I know so far in practice is in reality living off their spouse or parents and sometimes the govt (foodstamps, section 8!!). I wish I had the truth about this before I started school but the school was soooo positive about all this demand!! Fortunately I have a western medical career to fall back on and can now look back and laugh about my "expensive hobby"!!!!!!
kdhap

Hialeah, FL

#53 Oct 22, 2012
As a practitioner of 3 years now in S Florida, I can honestly say its a terrible idea. The admissions staff at ANY acupuncture school will fill your head with wonderful ideas about how successful and financially independent you will be. For example, when beginning my education in 2005, I was assured by the admissions staff at my college that the median for acupuncturists was $75,000 and up. All of my classmates were told the same.... This is ridiculous, as you would honestly have to be damn lucky and ferociously dedicated to clear even $25,000 a year. I myself am looking into other scholastic programs to hopefully give myself a second chance at a financially stable future. Going into acupuncture school now is a great way to ensure future debt, mountains of stress, depression, cynicism, and possible homelessess (if you don't have another career or family to depend on for shelter). I'm not trying to be negative or provide any type of biased opinion. I am merely one of the few soon-to-be-ex-practitioners that is actually willing to be honest about a failing industry, regardless of how much I wish it wasn't so :(
qichicky

Boone, NC

#54 Jan 19, 2013
I just graduated Jung Tao in NC. Their tuition is one of the lowest ( under 40k for the entire program) so I do not have huge debt but the teaching leaves a lot to learn on your own. In theory the Van Ghi style is great and made it worth going there. Also if you are interested in Community Acpupuncture a new school is being formed that is affordable. Check out POCA.

Since: Jan 13

Anaheim, CA

#55 Jan 21, 2013
Acupuncture works great for certain conditions, but requires consecutive treatment to get some clinical results. Many people do not have financial means for paying for it.
Demand is relatively low for acupuncture in the US. And the supply of licensed acupuncturist is exorbitantly high in major US cities. Hence an expression of a dime of dozen.
You put your ads in Google adwords and only other competition acupuncturist who have nothing to do click your ads and you pay per click.
L.Acs !! please do not click other L.Acs ads on Google. You are making us more poor and miserable.

If you want to be a healer or in medical profession, go to medical school. If you have proper GPAs, MCAT scores and took all real science courses, become an MD.

I made a good living by not practicing acupuncture for 10 years. Now, I am back to field and regretting immensely. I thought the public's demand has grown, but not really. Just renewing my worthless license and making the state board rich. I buy herbs to take care of my family members and myself. But these day, I begin to wonder the efficacy of herbal products.

Fortunately, I have no student debts now. I feel really sorry for many new graduates who are in debt and have dark and miserable future ahead of them.

But some lucky ones, I mean really lucky ones are earning enough money to get by.

Do you feel lucky? Do you?
alex

Rolling Meadows, IL

#56 Mar 11, 2013
acupuncture is a great , but if you have responsibilities, like family wife, children,or planing to have one, stay away from acupuncture profession! The only ones who making money in its acupuncture schools, who brainwashing you with success stories.They are not telling you the whole truth!

Acupuncture is not recognize as medical profession in US, by AMA, FDA, Medicare, insurance companies etc...They say:"by practicing, acupuncturists denying patients conventional health care."We are enemy of AMA#1.Everybody can bill insurance companies except us- doctors(no training required),chiropractors with 100hours training,Physical therapists(27 hours)Dry needling...etc.We are not popular in medical community. Why? Because no profit in acupuncture for pharmaceutical , medical testing equipment....they not making any money of acupuncturists, it is not about making people getting better, it is only about money.
royfiggy

Woodbury, NY

#57 Mar 13, 2013
follow your passion. Acupuncture is recognized by workers comp in CA and many other states. Insurance co are reimbursing too. Educating the patient is a plus. I know a few who are seeing 50 + patients. of course, others are not seeing that many either.
Pcomer

San Diego, CA

#58 May 4, 2013
Pablo wrote:
I am also seriously considering attending TCM school. My Only big concern is assuming that debt without any job security. I am not a business man and never have been. Are 50% of graduates actually not practicing after 5 years? I get the feeling theres a lot of struggling Practitioners out there. The way the school administrative staff at the school and practitioners skirt around that subject leads me to this assumption. Nobody seems to offer any type of reassurance. I realize they do not want to be responsible for what happens after we graduate. And theyre not of course. We are all adults here. and I know there are no Guarantees. I'd just like to here some prosperous type of feedback I suppose. Some sort of reassurance that I can make it out there. Most people need a little of that I believe. We students are putting a lot of time, effort and money into this. I'd like something to look foreward to when I finally get that licence. I'm feeling stressed at the thought of what happens after graduation. Are things really bleak or am I just overreacting to my own insecurities. I am a Vegan, health conscious, happily married 45 year old Ophthalmic medical Technician. I feel I am a pretty normal person. I have been around the track a few times. I get a bit suspicious when people will not or cannot answer questions directly. I makes me feel like they are hiding the truth. It's not a deal breaker for me if it is very, very difficult to make it well in this field. I really want to do this and feel I can make a difference. I'd just like to know what I'm up against so I don't get into a situation I'd rather not be in. I can be unattached to outcomes and trust in the universe. I am also very pragmatic and do my research first. That is a lot to toss out there I know. I am just trying to find some reasonable answers to my questions so I can make the best decision possible. Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.
Unfortunately, the current figure for acu grads not in practice after 5 yrs is closer to 70 or 80 percent. There are no business classes in the curriculum (at least at PCOM) and we had One practice management class. Your best bet is going to an under served area.
Pcomer

San Diego, CA

#59 May 4, 2013
raine wrote:
I am 42 years old with a senior in high school. I almost have enough for an assoicates degree, but looking to further my education in a field of helping people. I am enrolled in a course for September in Radiology but want to continue to help people as a Radiation therapist which requires another year of school after 2 years for radiology. I have been aware of acupuncture but it wasnt until I met someone and said they were getting their degree in that area. I have been looking into it, I am very interested in what it offers people, relief from pain, stress etc. I just dont know which way to go in making a career decision, when it doescome to finding a job.
Do acupuncturist work in hospitals, etc? I have been a single mom for a long time and I know about struggling with working 3 jobs and falling to the economy of having no job right now. Im willing to do hard work, Im on a mission to earn my college degree with no less than a bachelors, but can not afford to be here until Im 90. lol Is becoming an acupuncturist by the year 2014 be worth my while? Im tired of being behind on bills. If someone out there can give me an opinion from a first hand experience, I would greatly appreciate it. Oh and one more thing if I do choose this route, is there another profession that will coincide and help promote or aid in this field? Thanks, so much.
Think of it this way: becoming an LAc is like taking on another mortgage. If u live in a cosmopolitan area, there's most likely a surplus of practitioners. As a single parent, u will be making a better decision pursuing the radiology. There will be positions waiting for you when u graduate, unlike acupuncture. Do ur research: talk to LAcs in practice, NOT the colleges. They don't draw u a realistic picture. Good luck.
Pcomer

San Diego, CA

#60 May 4, 2013
royfiggy wrote:
follow your passion. Acupuncture is recognized by workers comp in CA and many other states. Insurance co are reimbursing too. Educating the patient is a plus. I know a few who are seeing 50 + patients. of course, others are not seeing that many either.
Be realistic. Workers comp laws changed in 2003 in CA and LAcs who had their practices flourishing bAsed on WC collapsed. ASH is a huge insur co in CA that is gobbling up all the contracts and reimburses LAcs only $30/treatmt. Most LAcs avoid taking insur cuz it's a pain to deal with the insur co's and chase the $( extra time spent that's not treatment). You have to be passionate enuf to be a business person not just about the medicine. Interview LAcs in practice, NOT the college admissions. The LAcs will be honest with u. R u passionate enuf to take on six figure debt ?
JAmes

Rockville Centre, NY

#61 Jul 12, 2013
hello all, i recently got a tour of a local chinese medicine school that also has tai chi and yoga and massage therapy.
For those of you who are already in TCM Do you think i could support my self with doing accupuncture and chinese medicine as well as giving massages and teaching tai chi?
Justin Hays LAc

Honolulu, HI

#62 Jul 24, 2013
I used Kevin Doherty and he left me feeling very scammed. Be very careful with Kevin Doherty and Dream Practice Coaching: don't give them a large sum of money. For more details on what happened to me, you can check my article here:
http://www.acupuncturehonolulu.com/index.php/...
Say No

New York, NY

#64 Aug 1, 2013
I've been in practice since 2002 in NYC and hooked up with a DC shortly after my graduation. Although I haven't been making loads of money I've managed to do OK throughout the years. I also do bodywork and prescribe herbs. The DC I've worked with had a corporate account and we would receive multiple patients to split among us. Recently the corporate account dried up and we are now facing financial ruin. We are very close to closing both our practices as out of pocket patients are rare and just cannot be counted on to sustain a practice. If i had to do it all over again I WOULD NOT HAVE GONE TO ACUPUNCTURE SCHOOL! Plain and simple. It's just too difficult a career to sustain and profit from. If you really want to help people and be able to survive, try nursing or something related where you can actually find employment.
royfiggy

Woodbury, NY

#65 Aug 1, 2013
Justin Hays LAc wrote:
I used Kevin Doherty and he left me feeling very scammed. Be very careful with Kevin Doherty and Dream Practice Coaching: don't give them a large sum of money. For more details on what happened to me, you can check my article here:
http://www.acupuncturehonolulu.com/index.php/...
How is your business now? how many patients do you see a day? a week?
royfiggy

Woodbury, NY

#66 Aug 1, 2013
qichicky wrote:
I just graduated Jung Tao in NC. Their tuition is one of the lowest ( under 40k for the entire program) so I do not have huge debt but the teaching leaves a lot to learn on your own. In theory the Van Ghi style is great and made it worth going there. Also if you are interested in Community Acpupuncture a new school is being formed that is affordable. Check out POCA.
A friend of mine studies with Van Ghi in Spain and he is very succesful today.
royfiggy

Woodbury, NY

#67 Aug 1, 2013
Pcomer wrote:
<quoted text>
Unfortunately, the current figure for acu grads not in practice after 5 yrs is closer to 70 or 80 percent. There are no business classes in the curriculum (at least at PCOM) and we had One practice management class. Your best bet is going to an under served area.
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Lee

Guangzhou, China

#68 Dec 12, 2013
I'm a graduate of TCM from a good TCM University in China.The last year of study was devoted to the practicum area - treating various illnesses with acupuncture, herbal medicine and traditional massage, among others. Now I've started work in a clinic. I'm Chinese and my grandfather, father are TCM practitioners and my mother is a doctor. Throughout my young life I have done well academically and wonder if there is an opportunity for a career in your country.

Thank you.

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