Sciatic nerve pain needs specialist

Sciatic nerve pain needs specialist

There are 95 comments on the GoErie.com story from Dec 2, 2008, titled Sciatic nerve pain needs specialist. In it, GoErie.com reports that:

Q. I am a 76-year-old man having a difficult problem with sciatic nerve pain. I have had episodes of this ailment before but never to this degree.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at GoErie.com.

First Prev
of 5
Next Last
Wisdom

Newark, NJ

#84 Nov 26, 2010
"spam" said, ", Nope, you lie again Wisdom. 70% do not use activator technique, the 70% only the instrument to adjust when it is indicated."

Ummmm spam, what the hell are you talking about? Your defense of fraud seems to be that these quacks only use it "sometimes"?

Fact;
70% of all chiropractors use the quack activator technique. I'm not sure why you are trying to twist this. Don't be calling people liars spam, until you can point to a lie.

That 70% equals more than 37,000 chiropractors here in the U.S. are engaged in fraud.

Do they use it all the time? I never said they do, but ..... many do, just check the activator web site. Why are you trying to rationalize activator? Because you are becoming a chiropractor? What chiropractic techniques, besides "diversified" are you being taught?

spam, just because you are in chiroquackery school, where most schools still teach the stupid idea that "chiropractic subluxations cause disease", you still do not come close to my knowledge of the chiropractic industry.

Quackery is the flavor still served at every chiropractic school in the country, even at National. So, spam, I don't know where you and your wife go to school, but I assure you that you are being taught quackery. And with the degrees that you already have I'm surprised that you are not disgusted by
fraud and bullshit that is being taught in chiropractic today. I know a recent chiropractic graduate, among the hundreds of chiropractors I know, that is using the neurocalometer to find "subluxations". that is quackery spam, whether or not you know it. Whether or not you have a PhD in neuroscience or not.

Obvious examples of quack treatments still taught in chiropractic schools are "logan basic", hio, nucca, ak, gonstead, sot and network.

You claimed to have some pre-chiropractic degrees. And yet the void of evidence you found for activator still is not enough to convince you that most of your colleagues are ripping people off. Most reasonable people would say you are very ignorant/stupid. And that's sad.

hey, how about the claim from your quack colleague here aerail who said he was expertly trained in wound care? Why don't you be a man and denounce him? Admit that chiropractors are not trained in wound care, that they do not get clinical experience in examining, diagnosing or treating wounds? Hmmmmmmm?

I know why, because you are becoming part of the chiropractic scam. You are losing your dignity as most of you do. You think you need to to get along. That is the definition of being a coward.
Wisdom

Newark, NJ

#85 Nov 26, 2010
Spam, have your better half, with her PhD in neuroscience check out this colleague of yours.

He not only does the "leg check" (very funny and sad at the same time), but he claims to treat intestinal disorders by pushing on the spine.



Is he a quack "spam"? Yes he is. Are there thousands of chiroquackers just like him? Yes there are spam, whether you want to admit it or not.
Spam

Toronto, Canada

#86 Nov 26, 2010
I have told you previously, I do not buy into the dogmatic treatment protocols of any named chiropractic technique. However, this is the norm nowadays. I will however argue tha the method of inducing motion into a joint is not the determining factor regarding efficacy, I dont care if its drop table, instrumented, manual, etc.

I have also mentioned that at CMCC, diversified is the only treatment methodology taught to the 800 students attending. The same is the case for the publicly funded program in Quebec. That is, static and motion palpation and orthopedic testing to identify hypomobility, painful joints, etc. Manual manipulation and mobilizations are the primary therapies taught, but we learn a few drop-table adjustments for larger patients whom we cannot manage manually, and a few instrumented assisted adjustments for those who are frail.

You should look into our school sometime, to add to your "wealth" of knowledge regarding chiropractic. In 2005 CMCC became the first private institution in Ontario to be granted the privilege of offering a professional health care degree under the Post-secondary Education Choice and Excellence Act. It sets the program within the hierarchy of education in Ontario as comparable to that of other primary contact health care professions, such as medicine, dentistry, and optometry. As of 2005, graduates of CMCC are formally recognized to have at least 78 years of university level education.

You may also want to look into the curriculum in Switzerland, Denmark, etc., where chiropractic is now taught in public medical schools as a specialty :) Try to keep up to date mr Wisdom..you will look less naive and outdated :)

It is clear by your continued ranting about historical problems that even if there was a day and time that you were well informed of the chiropractic profession, your knowledge has become outdated and innacurate. I am sure you can link a few more youtube ideos though to "prove me wrong" :)
Spam

Toronto, Canada

#87 Nov 26, 2010
PS..
I ask my "better half" all the time to read the posts and give some input, her response is always the same"
"Dont feed the trolls"

I guess I never learn.
Steph2010

Oakmont, PA

#88 Nov 28, 2010
I have sciatic nerve pain down both legs and much of it in my right knee where I had ultrasound applied while in physical therapy for a month & a half at the end of summer. I saw the doctor first in June though, the swelling is gone but the nerve pain is still persisting. I went back to the doctor tell her of the pain, it's been since June that I've had this pain, maybe even since May, I feel it in my feet, in my right arm, my knees, down the side of my right leg, in my butt, and in my right hip, what should I do at this point? I can't really afford to go back for physical therapy right now and my doctor said I'd be sent back if I went back to see her, my insurance didn't pay enough of the cost of the therapy and I got stuck paying at least a hundred eighty dollars anyway. I can't afford a specialist either, am I doomed to suffer?
Aerial View

AOL

#89 Nov 29, 2010
Steph2010 wrote:
I have sciatic nerve pain down both legs and much of it in my right knee where I had ultrasound applied while in physical therapy for a month & a half at the end of summer. I saw the doctor first in June though, the swelling is gone but the nerve pain is still persisting. I went back to the doctor tell her of the pain, it's been since June that I've had this pain, maybe even since May, I feel it in my feet, in my right arm, my knees, down the side of my right leg, in my butt, and in my right hip, what should I do at this point? I can't really afford to go back for physical therapy right now and my doctor said I'd be sent back if I went back to see her, my insurance didn't pay enough of the cost of the therapy and I got stuck paying at least a hundred eighty dollars anyway. I can't afford a specialist either, am I doomed to suffer?
You should see a chiropractor for your sciatic pain. Chiropractors are specially trained to locate the source of your condition then treat it without drugs or surgery.
I have successfully treated thousands of people for sciatica. I wish you were in my area. You said you've spent a lot of money with little to no results. I charge ten dollars and less per treatment--and that's ONLY if you improve. In my office, you don't pay unless you get results. I don't accept insurance so I keep my fees very low so everyone can afford chiropractic. No doctor can guarantee results, but I do believe a patient should only pay if they get results. A lot of chiropractors I know feel this way. I wish more health care providers practiced like this.
Spam

Toronto, Canada

#90 Nov 29, 2010
A recent randomized controlled trial found that chiropractic care was an effective treatment for sciatica secondary to lumbar disk herniation.
All the subjects in this study had tried physiotherapy, medication, exercise, self care, which had failed to alleviate their sciatica. All subjects were thus candidates for surgery. Subjects were randomly assigned to surgery or to chiropractic care. 60% of those randomly assigned to chiropractic care had outcomes equal to those that went for surgery.

If you have not yet tried chiropractic care for your sciatica, it is recommended and scientific evidence supports it.

Manipulation or microdiskectomy for sciatica? A prospective randomized clinical study.
J Manipulative Physiol Ther. 2010;33(8):576-84.
Wisdom

Newark, NJ

#91 Nov 29, 2010
Spam, most trials have NOT found manipulation to be more effective for patients with radiculopathic leg pain. rest heat/ice etc was just as effective.

Be that as it may,

Your wife conveniently dismisses me as a troll. That's fine. Seems she also has her head in the sand.

So, because cmcc teaches mostly diversified, I am "naive"? That's a "convenient" way for you to dismiss me. Its illogical but you are a chiropractor student.

The U.S. has turned out more than 90% of all the chiropractors in the world. I am the expert on chiropractic matters. Good try though spam. You are going to make a "fine" chiropractor.

You said, after I have proven that more than 70% of ALL chiropractors use the quack activator technique, "I do not buy into the dogmatic treatment protocols of any named chiropractic technique. However, this is the norm nowadays."

Right spam, cause that makes no sense at all. You truly lack even a rudimentary ability to think logically. Again, you will make a "fine" chiropractor.

And you point to Denmark? really?

I have stated that mild manipulation has its place so I'm not sure why you keep implying that I said otherwise. Having said that spam, there is no evidence that "motion palpation" chiropractors can specifically locate "fixated" or "limited mobility" spinal segments. gross ROM yes, but to tell your patients that "oh yes, here it is, T1 is fixed" on T2 is outright Bullshit.

Don't give me your motion palpation crap spam. Your claims are not reproducible. period.

And yes, spam I can show you hundreds, if not thousands of chiropractic youtube videos showing that chiropractic quackery is a live and well. But I see that you will close your eyes and stick your head in the sand each and every time.

Cause you are a chiropractor, that's why. At least you stick your head up from time to time. Most quackers keep their heads buried all the time. Too afraid to face facts. They've invested a lot of time and money. Sometimes its best to remain ignorant.
Wisdom

Newark, NJ

#92 Nov 29, 2010
Before I go, I see that cmcc has clubs which teach thompson, ART, and gonstead chiropractic techniques.

Gonstead and thompson specifically teach that chiropractic subluxations cause disease and illness.

They also teach acupuncture as CE course.

While cmcc is better than most US chiropractic schools as far as limiting bizarre techniques from its curriculum, it has a ways to go.

I'll check out "Denmark" later and enlighten you.

Aerial View

AOL

#93 Nov 29, 2010
Wisdom always 'throws us a bone'(gee, thanks, loser) by stating,'I said mild manipulation has it's place.' News flash: No one cares what the loser wisdom thinks. He doesn't know. He's not an expert. He has NO clinical experience (oh, but he knows). He has NO professional degress (oh, but he knows). And he has no license to practice. That's the thing that really marks him as a chiropractic expert! The inability to practice--ah, such a luxury. Wisdom is ever so much more an expert without that stink'n license. Oh, but by his standards he is (sitting in on 'hundreds and hundreds and hundreds' of chiropratic meetings) ha ha ha Wisdom's opinions are useless.
Wisdom

Newark, NJ

#94 Nov 29, 2010
Good try quack, as you have no idea who I am.

Classic chiropractic logic on display.
Aerial View

AOL

#95 Nov 29, 2010
Wisdom wrote:
Good try quack, as you have no idea who I am.
Classic chiropractic logic on display.
Yes, I know who you are. You're a lying sack who cons everyone about chiropractic. That's all anyone needs to know.
Wisdom

Newark, NJ

#96 Nov 30, 2010
Another "professional" response from the resident chiropractor.

Poor guy.
Aerial View

AOL

#97 Nov 30, 2010
Wisdom wrote:
Another "professional" response from the resident chiropractor.
Poor guy.
I like that quote that MD wrote about wisdom. This is what one medical doctor here said about wisdom. And I quote EXACTLY what that medical doctor said about wisdom. Here is the quote: "The poster wisdom does not represent us. He's an embarrassment to the medical community. He's just an angry flake with a warped perspective of chiropractic."
Now THERE'S one observant doctor! That doctor nailed it!

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#98 Nov 30, 2010
I'm a chiropractor hickory, nc and I treat sciatic radiculopathy daily in my clinic. I use the Cox Technique which employs a special table that axially distracts the spine and then allows for the application of flexion to the spinal region being treated. This combination of flexion and axial distraction can temporarily decompress compressed nerves and often provide relief. On average, patients reach MMI within 12 visits of Cox flexion distraction. If conservative treatment isn't successful at diminishing pain, an orthopedic or neurosurgical consult often follows. My site is www.alliancechiropracticcenter.com . Also I routinely blog at www.drbradshook.com .

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker
First Prev
of 5
Next Last

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Acupuncture Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
Are acupuncturists doctors? (Jul '09) Nov 26 Jay 40
News Praise for natural pain relief Oct '17 Maurice 1
We offer sales of potassium cyanide both agricu... (Apr '12) Sep '17 anonymous 5
News Not just fluff and buff: Spas emphasize wellnes... Sep '17 Felix Goebbels 2
News Cure neck and back pain with acupuncture (May '14) Aug '17 Sugar Land Chirop... 17
involuntary muscle movement (Feb '17) Feb '17 Paul M 1
News Happy birthday to Colo: Oldest gorilla in US tu... (Dec '16) Jan '17 Go Blue Forever 22
More from around the web